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There are already hundreds of options for id verification which requires interfacing to a variety of government databases to confirm info. The issue is only Germany is being picky and demanding you use one of theirs.
If other countries do similar you can expect them to also require you to use a certified vendor as well, afterall some random website saying someone is an adult doesn't carry any weight for regulatory proof.
Granted it would take some time for a site like this to become mainstream. One that does not require accessing some government database, would be a plus for many users. I certainly do not want ANY .gov entity being pinged with my personal info.
Hundreds of options being available, and sites like Steam, other game sites or even porn sites won't or can't use them to verify it's users. If there was one, non-governmental, age verify site that was easy to utilize to receive a simple 'Yes' or 'No' response, what's the issue?
I view the stance Germany has taken to be prudent. Particularly since a reliable private corp. verify site doesn't seem to exist at present. I have this very issue with my own personal websites that are not intended for children under 18. I am not going to request everyone visiting my sites, send me a photo of their driver's license, which is currently our only option. And who's to say the ID even belongs to the visitor.
You can't aurhenticat government issues ids without access to the government. It would be easy to take a picture of 1 id and Photoshop it into 10,000 variations.
You need to be able to examine it to a database to see if it's legit for online use.
Exactly my point. But what I have in mind doesn't rely on the gov or an ID card.
I want to append my initial proposed idea above. Persons signing up at the verifying site would also need to supply the last 4 digits of their Social Security number, and answer a question only they would know. Authentication and security would have to be job one. And again, you, as the applicant, would only need to do this once and would be good for any site that uses the system.
Thanks Brian9824 for making me think this out more thoroughly.
The implantation of this type of age verification would only require 2 or 3 lines of code in the user signup form as an I-frame component. User would be presented with four fields with Name; LastFourSS; Year of Birth; and Passcode. The system would return a verified True or False on whether a user with indeed 18 or over.
Which again requires access to government databases to verify the info.
I mean is my last 4 of my social 1111, 2222, 3333, etc? You will never know unless you can validate it against a database.
I've actually worked on software like this where we had to validate IDs for medical billing. Took about a year and a half of work to complete all the requirements for government certification for our software.
Also again, unless your certified the government is not going to accept a random site saying someone is an adult. That won't satisfy any future laws that might be passed.
All of which can be made up and you have no way to validate it unless you get certified and actually connect to the databases which fyi vary from state to state as IDs are issued on a state level, not federal
I mean here last 4 of my social is 1234
Year of birth 1980
Name McLovin
Passcode BiteMe!
How would you prove any of that is true or false without being able to validate against a database?
I will not be revealing my sources to you. But, I can tell you with 100% certainty it is NOT going through some unreliable government site or database. And, I don't need (or want) governmental approval anyway.
Can lie all you want, until... The question comes up that ONLY you know the answer to. When you can't answer it, the result is False.
And this would be done at my verification site on initial signup. Are you just trying to be difficult?
This threads OP says nothing about Germany and/or it's justified laws to verify a users age.
This thread was made in response to this...
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/3645136992391096609
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/steamworks/announcements/detail/4183351393029705363
Titled: When will Steam finally get a real age verification?
Well, if as the original poster stated, the issue is with Steam not doing verification to ANY countries standards, that would be a problem. And for Germany and Brazil, they had to take matters into their own (gov) hands. They have had to do this BECAUSE there has not been a mainstream site for true age verification. Good on them to keep children from accessing content they are too young to view.
Thus, my proposal... to the decision makers here at Steam. Feel free to ask questions about how this could work, but unless you're company CEO here, arguing about what other countries require is mote.
Again, nothing stops the user from lying during the initial setup. I filled out all that info I gave you and know the answers, but my birthdate is actually 2010 and i'm only 14 hypothetically. You can't tell if i'm born in 2010 or 1910. Unless you have some sort of ID and ability to validate what I told you.
I've actually worked on systems like this before that had to do this type of validation, you haven't clearly. I even have to go thru a process like this at least once or twice a year as my job requires constant background checks and validations for the contracts I work on.
The ONLY way to validate online is to be able to verify the info your giving out. Anyone can make a website in minutes that will spit out a claim that you are an adult, the government isn't going to accept those if they pass future legislation. There is requirements that a site has to pass to be certified and they won't just let a random site bypass thier rules.
There are actually dozens of sites for age validation
So far you can't even answer the basic question on how you would know if someone was lying about the info they gave you without being able to validate it so don't expect steam to come knocking on your door....
You aren't very familiar with how it works at all. I suggest you look at some of the many sites that already provide the service and are available if Steam ever needs to use them.
A few examples
https://go.jumio.com/age-verification-ppc
https://agechecker.net/
https://www.id.me/
All do it the only legit way and have integrated into the various government databases in a secure fashion to validate the info you provide and also often use an actual video call at the time of creation to validate the person creating the account is the person on the ID and not someone who just got a picture of someone elses ID.
Also you missed this post
The rest of us knew what he was talking about from the first post because Germany is the only country in the world blocking access to games right now based on age.