"Mixed" Review Option

[Creeper of Doom]

I am sure many Steam Users (Including Me) Would very much like the addition of having 3 Options for Review Recommendations. Recommended, Mixed and Not Recommended. To show how we really feel about a Product. Many times i have wished this was possible to do this in a Review

[Tanoomba]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

ya, im sure those recommended reviews saying dont buy it or not recommending them in the review text, shows everyone how much they like the game(s).

When a game has tens of thousands of reviews, how many of those reviews do you think are people recommending the game and telling you not to buy it or choosing "don't recommend" then talking about how much they like it?

[Start_Running]

Tanoomba eredeti hozzászólása:

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

No, you have no idea how much each individual liked the game, unless you read their review.

I have no idea how much any individual liked the game, but I've got a pretty good idea of what most of the player base thinks of the game. if I want to know what individuals think, I can read the reviews.

Adding a "mixed" option would not make it so we suddenly have a better idea of what individuals think about the game.

Because that aggregate score just gives youa picture of what.. not so much the why.

And yeah there are unhelpful reviews but for some weird reason i never seem to have any trouble finding well worded informative reviews. I mean it's telling that I forget that there's a Load More' button at the bottom of the review section because I've usually found all the info I need before that.

Tanoomba eredeti hozzászólása:

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

Yes, the number of reviews is the only thing accurate there. What all those people think about the game? Well, if you want to know that, the only way is by reading all reviews. There isn't any accuracy in the aggregate.

No, that's silly. Most of the player base obviously loves the game. A game doesn't get an "overwhelmingly positive" aggregate if most of those reviewers think the game is "meh". That's not how statistics work.

Getting that overwhelmingly positive is a bit mor einvolved than most people realize. Certain tiers are gated to a specific number of total reviews.

[MonkehMaster]

Tanoomba eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

ya, im sure those recommended reviews saying dont buy it or not recommending them in the review text, shows everyone how much they like the game(s).

When a game has tens of thousands of reviews, how many of those reviews do you think are people recommending the game and telling you not to buy it or choosing "don't recommend" then talking about how much they like it?

loads of them and that isnt including all the spam reviews that make up 75% or higher of the positive reviews...

if steam even decided to crack down on that stuff (despite those reviews clearly breaking rules, they arent removed), all these games would dive drastically in their "review scores".

[Pierce Dalton]

Tanoomba eredeti hozzászólása:

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

No, you have no idea how much each individual liked the game, unless you read their review.

I have no idea how much any individual liked the game, but I've got a pretty good idea of what most of the player base thinks of the game. if I want to know what individuals think, I can read the reviews.

Adding a "mixed" option would not make it so we suddenly have a better idea of what individuals think about the game.

It would, because if someone chooses the mixed option, that means the pros and cons are balanced in their opinion. If someone chooses the positive option, it would mean that (again, in their opinion) the pros outweigh the cons.

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Tanoomba eredeti hozzászólása:

I have no idea how much any individual liked the game, but I've got a pretty good idea of what most of the player base thinks of the game. if I want to know what individuals think, I can read the reviews.

Adding a "mixed" option would not make it so we suddenly have a better idea of what individuals think about the game.

Because that aggregate score just gives youa picture of what.. not so much the why.

And yeah there are unhelpful reviews but for some weird reason i never seem to have any trouble finding well worded informative reviews. I mean it's telling that I forget that there's a Load More' button at the bottom of the review section because I've usually found all the info I need before that.

Then you're lucky, because the front page is usually just a collection of memes. I'm a 45 yo father, here's a cat, my gambling addict friend told me that...

[Zarineth]

Why topic suddenly shifted to meme reviews? Adding mixed option will not remove them.

[MonkehMaster]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Because that aggregate score just gives youa picture of what.. not so much the why.

And yeah there are unhelpful reviews but for some weird reason i never seem to have any trouble finding well worded informative reviews. I mean it's telling that I forget that there's a Load More' button at the bottom of the review section because I've usually found all the info I need before that.

Then you're lucky, because the front page is usually just a collection of memes. I'm a 45 yo father, here's a cat, my gambling addict friend told me that...

exactly, bunch of copy/pasta, meme's, ascii spam, blank, 1,2,3 word 1,2,3 letters/numbers/symbol spam, off topic random nonsense... ect.. ect.., the huge list goes on.

heck i even see positive reviews in games with literal word spam... example being factorio... their review section is filled with people spamming "the factory must grow", some even pasting it into walls of spam... report them and nothing happens, despite them being against the rules...

[MonkehMaster]

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

Why topic suddenly shifted to meme reviews? Adding mixed option will not remove them.

topic switched cause its part of the context...

also, the suggestion is for people who actually make reviews, has nothing to do with helping or curbing spam reviews.

i would rather see a mixed option, than a recommended saying "dont buy the game", cause that artificially inflates the score, while saying they didnt like the game... thus the game doesnt deserve the score.

[Zarineth]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

Why topic suddenly shifted to meme reviews? Adding mixed option will not remove them.

topic switched cause its part of the context...

also, the suggestion is for people who actually make reviews, has nothing to do with helping or curbing spam reviews.

i would rather see a mixed option, than a recommended saying "dont buy the game".

Now I see, that my post looks way more aggresive, that I intended it to be. My bad.

I do agree, that Valve should do something about meme/ascii spam reviews. I still don't see a reason for mixed reviews tho.

[MonkehMaster]

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

topic switched cause its part of the context...

also, the suggestion is for people who actually make reviews, has nothing to do with helping or curbing spam reviews.

i would rather see a mixed option, than a recommended saying "dont buy the game".

Now I see, that my post looks way more aggresive, that I intended it to be. My bad.

I do agree, that Valve should do something about meme/ascii spam reviews. I still don't see a reason for mixed reviews tho.

to each their own, but i would rather a game earn its score, than have fake numbers inflating its score because people give it recommended and say the game is trash, or dont buy it, ect...

in the end, the amount of positive reviews that break the rules and are spam, do not help in any way, but only to inflate and lure in people, all because steam cant be bothered to moderate the reviews, add to that now with more making recommended or not recommended with the opposite said in text, just makes the reviews useless and not worth bothering, also makes the review scores meaningless and simply there to boost numbers and sales.

[Pierce Dalton]

Zarineth eredeti hozzászólása:

Why topic suddenly shifted to meme reviews? Adding mixed option will not remove them.

No one said it would. The thing is that people often say "but mixed/neutral reviews are useless imo".

Well, a bunch of positive/negative are clearly useless and yet here they are. My favorite is "yes, I play porn games on my main account". Well, cool, but what does that say about the game? Nothing.

[Tanoomba]

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

loads of them

No, that isn't remotely true.

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

and that isnt including all the spam reviews that make up 75% or higher of the positive reviews...

First of all, you invented that number. Secondly, somebody who likes the game writing a "meme" review is still contributing to the aggregate's accuracy. We have no reason to believe that somebody who doesn't like the game is leaving a positive meme review.

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

if steam even decided to crack down on that stuff (despite those reviews clearly breaking rules, they arent removed), all these games would dive drastically in their "review scores".

No, they wouldn't. It's absurd to suggest that games with tens of thousands of reviews are having their aggregates inflated by people who don't like the game but are giving it positive reviews en masse. This is conspiracy theory nonsense.

[Tanoomba]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

It would, because if someone chooses the mixed option, that means the pros and cons are balanced in their opinion. If someone chooses the positive option, it would mean that (again, in their opinion) the pros outweigh the cons.

But how would that change what impression we get from the aggregate? If you're looking at individual reviews anyway to see if they chose "recommend", "don't recommend", or "mixed", then you've already got the text in front of you to see what they have to say.

[Pierce Dalton]

Tanoomba eredeti hozzászólása:

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

It would, because if someone chooses the mixed option, that means the pros and cons are balanced in their opinion. If someone chooses the positive option, it would mean that (again, in their opinion) the pros outweigh the cons.

But how would that change what impression we get from the aggregate?

Well, it's really simple, the aggregate should show a graphic of 3 bars, like this:

https://www.clipartmax.com/png/middle/143-1438687_bar-graph-icon-3-bar-graph-png.png

So you wouldn't need to look at individual reviews to see what people chose.

[Tanoomba]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, it's really simple, the aggregate should show a graphic of 3 bars, like this:

https://www.clipartmax.com/png/middle/143-1438687_bar-graph-icon-3-bar-graph-png.png

So you wouldn't need to look at individual reviews to see what people chose.

That's not simple at all, that's needlessly convoluted and makes it harder to infer what a game's player base thinks, not easier. A single number or aggregate descriptor is exponentially clearer and more direct.
Besides, it's one thing to ask for a "mixed" option when writing reviews and another thing entirely to ask that Valve completely change the way aggregates are displayed.