On Steam constructive criticism is the foundation of the community - not censorship.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

Blizzard's community managers (bad faith actors) are bringing the same abusive tactics they were taught at Blizzard and are using them here on Steam.

For example, Blizzard banned me from the Diablo IV community for simply pointing out to another user that "the game was designed to be so unrewarding that you would be desperate enough to buy cosmetics and that Diablo IV was a $70 game with a free to play model and will never reward you for your time".

The question that should be asked of Valve is, "should Blizzard or developers alike be allowed to participant in this community"? Isn't the whole point of this platform for developer and consumer interaction? Should they be allowed to ban us for having an opinion and why not response to people's concerns? Why just ban them?

I doubt one person could influence Valve to question Blizzard's position on the platform but Valve use to give consumers some kind of power in this community, it brought balance - it doesn't anymore. The conversation is controlled by the wrong people as if them buying out media wasn't bad enough now we gotta get it on Steam.

[76561199540158642]

debatable because banning an censoring/ removal of any disapproving content would be considered marketing manipulation and fraud.

[davidb11]

Messaggio originale di Killer Unicorn:

debatable because banning an censoring/ removal of any disapproving content would be considered marketing manipulation and fraud.

Nope, not how that works ever.

The rules on Steam work very specifically, and companies can moderate their own forum.

No forum rules can ever qualify under market manipulation or fraud.

[76561199540158642]

that is exactly what marketing manipulation is,
such as

Doctor removing death of patients on a surgical procedure review. Medical Fraud
A manufacturer removing Defective declaration about a product review Consumer Fraud
a video game removing poor player approval would also be considered Marketing Fraud.


Move over i believe that this is a serious issue with what it wrong with steam, that steam will allow developers to commit marketing fraud and hide it, which for the sake of the industry this needs to stop.


Acceptance and disapproval of products should not be moderated by any developer, or platform, and more over that when any type of manipulation like this should cause the developers to be fined by the Fair Trade Commission as intent to hide disclosed flaws within a product.

[davidb11]

Messaggio originale di Killer Unicorn:

that is exactly what marketing manipulation is,
such as

Doctor removing death of patients on a surgical procedure review. Medical Fraud
A manufacturer removing Defective declaration about a product review Consumer Fraud
a video game removing poor player approval would also be considered Marketing Fraud.


Move over i believe that this is a serious issue with what it wrong with steam, that steam will allow developers to commit marketing fraud and hide it, which for the sake of the industry this needs to stop.


Acceptance and disapproval of products should not be moderated by any developer, or platform, and more over that when any type of manipulation like this should cause the developers to be fined by the Fair Trade Commission as intent to hide disclosed flaws within a product.

Sorry, but you're very clearly wrong, and know nothing about how fraud works.
You cannot compare the first two with the third.

You also don't know how the FTC works.
THey don't control the entirety of the internet.

[76561199566220743]

OP's post history from Diablo 4 got deleted, wonder if they deleted it themselves to cover their tracks...or if he got a perm ban.

Either way, he also has a ban from a half life board for exactly the same behavior.

[Xautos]

Messaggio originale di Rob⛧Pentakill:

For example, Blizzard banned me from the Diablo IV community for simply pointing out to another user that "the game was designed to be so unrewarding that you would be desperate enough to buy cosmetics and that Diablo IV was a $70 game with a free to play model and will never reward you for your time".

That's an opinion and a rant about something you disagreed with.

Messaggio originale di Rob⛧Pentakill:

The question that should be asked of Valve is, "should Blizzard or developers alike be allowed to participant in this community"? Isn't the whole point of this platform for developer and consumer interaction? Should they be allowed to ban us for having an opinion and why not response to people's concerns? Why just ban them?

That's an opinion made to look like a set of questions.

Messaggio originale di Rob⛧Pentakill:

I doubt one person could influence Valve to question Blizzard's position on the platform but Valve use to give consumers some kind of power in this community, it brought balance - it doesn't anymore. The conversation is controlled by the wrong people as if them buying out media wasn't bad enough now we gotta get it on Steam.

that's another opinion about something you disagree with.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

Messaggio originale di Mensis:

Messaggio originale di davidb11:

No one buys cosmetics because actual items aren't good. LOL. Because they ARE COSMETIC! They don't help you with stats! How would predatory practices even come into play here?!?

I don't know about Diablo 4 specifically because I haven't played it, but predatory practices can absolutely be involved with cosmetic items, lol

I mean...just look at CSGO- I mean, CS2's lootboxes. Well, if it still has them...not really sure. Even though I'm relatively new to Steam I've known about them for a while, Valve arguably helped bring lootboxes and gambling to the forefront of gaming (outside of gacha games)

Most gamers today are susceptible to predatory monetization because they were groomed into it with behavioral game design. Valve, EA, Activision Blizzard and Bethesda paved the way for it all.

Now we have $70 games that adopt the free to play model which is to create a game that's so unrewarding that you would be desperate enough to buy micro transactions in order to get a dopamine fix.

[76561199566220743]

Gamers today also appear to believe that spamming the same insult in a game's forum constitutes as constructive criticism. (Hint: It's not.)

[76561199540158642]

your opinion doesn't matter to us, please try harder to gain our approval

[Rob⛧Slayer]

Messaggio originale di Golden Unicorn:

that is exactly what marketing manipulation is,
such as

Doctor removing death of patients on a surgical procedure review. Medical Fraud
A manufacturer removing Defective declaration about a product review Consumer Fraud
a video game removing poor player approval would also be considered Marketing Fraud.


Move over i believe that this is a serious issue with what it wrong with steam, that steam will allow developers to commit marketing fraud and hide it, which for the sake of the industry this needs to stop.


Acceptance and disapproval of products should not be moderated by any developer, or platform, and more over that when any type of manipulation like this should cause the developers to be fined by the Fair Trade Commission as intent to hide disclosed flaws within a product.

Gaming fandoms are modern cults. You can't break their mind off the control some of these companies have over them. They will bend over and attack anyone who questions their favorite company's motivates and it's probably the worst among Valve fanboys.

The only way to fix this is to allow all voices to be heard regardless of who it offends. This platform sells questionable adult games now, why are we censoring discussions? It's obviously there to protect billion dollar companies so they can control the narrative.

[76561199540158642]

i agree with OP its weird and makes no sense to forcefully try and defend an obviously broken corp manipulation to the point that its easily questionable and goes against the actual users.

nobody who is a user would rightly care about the profits a multi million dollar company makes, its trashy, it paints the picture of these mega corps being paper tigers, just fancy empty shells of flimsy zero net profits as they try to manipulate the consumer to purchase the products they offer.

massive overhead put blizzard into bankruptcy and more over even Activision suffered because of the horrible performance blizzard continued to have for countless years.

i was not impressed with blizzards remake of WOW and trying to sell it only subscribers ruined the hope of the game seeing any type of turn around or increase in population.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

Messaggio originale di Golden Unicorn:

i agree with OP its weird and makes no sense to forcefully try and defend an obviously broken corp manipulation to the point that its easily questionable and goes against the actual users.

nobody who is a user would rightly care about the profits a multi million dollar company makes, its trashy, it paints the picture of these mega corps being paper tigers, just fancy empty shells of flimsy zero net profits as they try to manipulate the consumer to purchase the products they offer.

massive overhead put blizzard into bankruptcy and more over even Activision suffered because of the horrible performance blizzard continued to have for countless years.

i was not impressed with blizzards remake of WOW and trying to sell it only subscribers ruined the hope of the game seeing any type of turn around or increase in population.

You know it's bad when their own peers (developers) call them out on bad releases and predatory game design.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7YaeiB4TuI
But we're not allowed to talk about this in their communities because it's a guarantee ban.

[Hammer Of Evil]

as a developer, one is allowed to run their community as they see fit, and they can ban anyone from it, for any reason.

it has nothing to do with censorship or freedom of speech - its a privilege to attend a forum on a private platform, not a right. and it always has been.

most developers tend to laugh at the negative stuff said by people. valve often takes a very patient approach with people. other developers are much more short tempered and choose to remove problematic individuals from their communities. as it should be.

i see no reason for the current system to change on steam, as it works quite successfully for all involved.

well, except the people with behavioural problems. i hope they get well soon.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

Messaggio originale di Hammer Of Evil:

as a developer, one is allowed to run their community as they see fit, and they can ban anyone from it, for any reason.

it has nothing to do with censorship or freedom of speech - its a privilege to attend a forum on a private platform, not a right. and it always has been.

most developers tend to laugh at the negative stuff said by people. valve often takes a very patient approach with people. other developers are much more short tempered and choose to remove problematic individuals from their communities. as it should be.

i see no reason for the current system to change on steam, as it works quite successfully for all involved.

well, except the people with behavioural problems. i hope they get well soon.

As a consumer I don't trust developers and after reading your comment even less now. (though you're probably lying) Developers are out of touch with consumers and reality because they've been able to control the narrative without ever taking accountability. That's why they're so unlikable right now and you know it's bad when you have voice actors calling them out during an award show.

No, developers shouldn't be allowed to run their community on Steam. Developers have proven time over again they don't deserve that privilege on Steam. Steam is the town center for games and it shouldn't be another platform that gives super corporations and shady developers more power.

[Zefar]

Messaggio originale di Rob⛧Pentakill:

As a consumer I don't trust developers and after reading your comment even less now. (though you're probably lying) Developers are out of touch with consumers and reality because they've been able to control the narrative without ever taking accountability. That's why they're so unlikable right now. You know it's bad when you have voice actors calling them out during an award show.

That generalizing you're doing is ridiculous. There are plenty of developers that actually cares about their players.

Chris Judge joking about COD is not some grand newsflash about how bad COD is. People have made tons of jokes about COD. The amount of pictures showing Error messages showing the previous COD game is also a bit too high.

The most used command for making a COD games is Ctrl+C -> V.

Messaggio originale di Rob⛧Pentakill:

Like I said earlier, gaming fandoms are modern cults. You can't break people off the control some of these companies have over them. They will bend over and attack anyone who questions their favorite company's motivates and than there's people like you who can't even be honest. No these companies shouldn't be allowed to run their community. Steam needs to be the town center for games. Not another platform that gives super corporations and shady developers more power. You've lost that privilege IMO.

There is a difference because you went and just ranted and made a lot of bs claims about Diablo 4. So you're actively trying to drive people away from the game.

People who like the game and play it and want more people to play with are now going to defend the game because you'd be blatantly lying about it.

Constructive criticism is about actually providing feedback and by the looks of it you didn't do any of that.

Also if Developers would no longer be allowed to run the community all of the haters would just be posting about how much they hate a game that they have never played.