On Steam constructive criticism is the foundation of the community - not censorship.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

Blizzard's community managers (bad faith actors) are bringing the same abusive tactics they were taught at Blizzard and are using them here on Steam.

For example, Blizzard banned me from the Diablo IV community for simply pointing out to another user that "the game was designed to be so unrewarding that you would be desperate enough to buy cosmetics and that Diablo IV was a $70 game with a free to play model and will never reward you for your time".

The question that should be asked of Valve is, "should Blizzard or developers alike be allowed to participant in this community"? Isn't the whole point of this platform for developer and consumer interaction? Should they be allowed to ban us for having an opinion and why not response to people's concerns? Why just ban them?

I doubt one person could influence Valve to question Blizzard's position on the platform but Valve use to give consumers some kind of power in this community, it brought balance - it doesn't anymore. The conversation is controlled by the wrong people as if them buying out media wasn't bad enough now we gotta get it on Steam.

[Zefar]

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

For example, Blizzard banned me from the Diablo IV community for simply pointing out to another user that "the game was designed to be so unrewarding that you would be desperate enough to buy cosmetics and that Diablo IV was a $70 game with a free to play model and will never reward you for your time". With no reason why.

That is not constructive criticism. That is a rant done by someone who hates the game.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

İlk olarak Zefar tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

For example, Blizzard banned me from the Diablo IV community for simply pointing out to another user that "the game was designed to be so unrewarding that you would be desperate enough to buy cosmetics and that Diablo IV was a $70 game with a free to play model and will never reward you for your time". With no reason why.

That is not constructive criticism. That is a rant done by someone who hates the game.

Diablo IV has no iconic loot or set items because of predatory game design. They bored you for so many hours hoping you'd be desperate enough to buy cosmetics just for a dopamine fix. That's not fun, it's abusive and greedy.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Zefar tarafından gönderildi:

That is not constructive criticism. That is a rant done by someone who hates the game.

Diablo IV has no iconic loot or set items because of predatory game design.

Then move on, they're not obligated to hold a platform for users to bash them/rant.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

İlk olarak Leonardo Da Pinchi tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

Diablo IV has no iconic loot or set items because of predatory game design.

Then move on, they're not obligated to hold a platform for users to bash them/rant.

When Bobby Kotick is out there's no more excuses left for Blizzard and the way they've treated their community. You don't see Valve or other billion dollar companies banning users for having no filter in their criticism.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Leonardo Da Pinchi tarafından gönderildi:

Then move on, they're not obligated to hold a platform for users to bash them/rant.

When Bobby Kotick is out there's no more excuses left for Blizzard and the way they've treated their community. You don't see Valve or other billion dollar companies banning users for having no filter in their criticism.

Actually, there's a good number of devs who'll just give you the boot instead of tolerating a brigade. Again, not obligated to give you a platform.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

İlk olarak Leonardo Da Pinchi tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

When Bobby Kotick is out there's no more excuses left for Blizzard and the way they've treated their community. You don't see Valve or other billion dollar companies banning users for having no filter in their criticism.

Actually, there's a good number of devs who'll just give you the boot instead of tolerating a brigade. Again, not obligated to give you a platform.

Most of those developers who give the boot are indie devs with emotional investment. I can sympathize with that but not a billion dollar corporation who does it to bully it's community when they know what they're doing is wrong.

[rawWwRrr]

As always, your correct path is to dispute the ban through the ban message. Airing out your disagreement to it here or in another forum is not.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

İlk olarak rawWwRrr tarafından gönderildi:

As always, your correct path is to dispute the ban through the ban message. Airing out your disagreement to it here or in another forum is not.

I'm not trying to dispute a ban, more like protect the values of this community. Steam is suppose to be the digital town square for gaming where you could interact with developers. Even John Carmack and Tim Sweeney will take a min to respond to people's comments on Twitter.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak rawWwRrr tarafından gönderildi:

As always, your correct path is to dispute the ban through the ban message. Airing out your disagreement to it here or in another forum is not.

I'm not trying to dispute a ban, more like protect the values of this community. Steam is suppose to be the digital town square for gaming.

Values of...freedom to sit around a game's hub to bash the game and its devs..?

[Tanoomba]

Devs/publishers are free to moderate their game hubs as they see fit. Valve isn't going to get involved or force them to do anything.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

İlk olarak Leonardo Da Pinchi tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

I'm not trying to dispute a ban, more like protect the values of this community. Steam is suppose to be the digital town square for gaming.

Values of...freedom to sit around a game's hub to bash the game and its devs..?

Calling it bashing is an exaggeration, I'm no filter critical of predatory design.

[Rob⛧Slayer]

İlk olarak Tanoomba tarafından gönderildi:

Devs/publishers are free to moderate their game hubs as they see fit. Valve isn't going to get involved or force them to do anything.

You guys don't seem to grasp how much influence and power these companies already have and how they're going to abuse it to reshape Steam.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Again, these forums are owned by a private company and as such, are not bound by free speech laws. That literally means that they don't have to let you say whatever you want. Game hubs are also run by the developers of the game or the publishers of the game as they see fit. They can either moderate them themselves or have Steam Support do it.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Tanoomba tarafından gönderildi:

Devs/publishers are free to moderate their game hubs as they see fit. Valve isn't going to get involved or force them to do anything.

You guys don't seem to grasp how much influence and power these companies already have and bringing that power and influence to another platform just makes them even worse.

They've always had the power to moderate the forum provided to them at their own discretion, let's not adhere to slippery slope.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

İlk olarak Rob⛧Pentakill tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Leonardo Da Pinchi tarafından gönderildi:

Values of...freedom to sit around a game's hub to bash the game and its devs..?

Calling it bashing is an exaggeration, I'm no filter critical of predatory design.

"No filter" is usually just used as a sad excuse for "rude."