Iron Knights (Banido(a)) 7/dez./2023 às 17:00
Valve-Steam is a Dead Platform.
Time to move off to better pastures like GoG.
I suggest for the purpose of preserving your own wallet, from more angles than one, that you cut your losses and move on. Stop throwing money at a wall.
Especially those gamers not interested in the latest AAA title.
Do you even NEED a launcher ? NO. With games bought from different platforms, you need a folder of game shortcuts anyways. Pricing ? Only E.A. has higher prices than Steam or hold out high prices as Steam does for 20+ yo. games.
Want game stability ? Buy from dealers who do not cram a launcher down your throat. Like GoG.
Happy Kris Kringle and Winter Solstice. MAKE the new year better for your gaming experience.
:steamhappy:
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BORG 7/dez./2023 às 20:13 
Stopped buying Steam games a long while ago. I've no desire to spend money on Valve anymore. If I can pick up free games, great, but otherwise I don't spend on this platform anymore. If I buy a Steam game, it's usually from a different retailer or website.

Steam is mismanaged, much of the platform is dated and out of touch with the current times, the Steam client nor website support accessibility, Valve won't put anything substantial back into the platform though they make billions of sales on tons of things, the message boards are deplorable disaster littered with trolls and trouble makers, moderation is a nightmare of bias and favouritism that doesn't deal with said trolls or trouble makers properly, the Steam user guidelines are too vague and sloppy giving moderators too much power over too many things, moderators wrongly warn or ban people because the Steam user guideline policies basically give them a loaded gun to shoot anyone with, Valve Early Access commission is steep, the Early Access program is an unregulated dumpster fire, their refund policy is garbage, award icons have become the new meta for troll enabling, gas lighting and the list goes on and on.

Where's Valve to fix it all? Nowhere to be seen, but In the back room counting all the money.

It's never a good idea to put all your games on one platform.
Última edição por BORG; 7/dez./2023 às 20:23
Escrito originalmente por Iron Knights:
Escrito originalmente por Start_Running:
If STeam is Dead.. why are you still here?"
I have not gotten a full refund for all my paid titles, so that I can depart.
Until then I will be here.

Sounds like you're not going anywhere then.
Escrito originalmente por Iron Knights:
Time to move off to better pastures like GoG.
I suggest for the purpose of preserving your own wallet, from more angles than one, that you cut your losses and move on. Stop throwing money at a wall.
Especially those gamers not interested in the latest AAA title.
Do you even NEED a launcher ? NO. With games bought from different platforms, you need a folder of game shortcuts anyways. Pricing ? Only E.A. has higher prices than Steam or hold out high prices as Steam does for 20+ yo. games.
Want game stability ? Buy from dealers who do not cram a launcher down your throat. Like GoG.
Happy Kris Kringle and Winter Solstice. MAKE the new year better for your gaming experience.
:steamhappy:
Wake up kid. At this moment Steam it's the best gaming platform. Don't like Steam? Go Xbox or PlayStation and don't forget to buy monthly subscription to be able to save your game progress on cloud and play games with your friends. These services are free on Steam!
Mad Scientist 7/dez./2023 às 21:02 
Escrito originalmente por BORG:
Stopped buying Steam games a long while ago. I've no desire to spend money on Valve anymore. If I can pick up free games, great, but otherwise I don't spend on this platform anymore. If I buy a Steam game, it's usually from a different retailer or website.

Steam is mismanaged, much of the platform is dated and out of touch with the current times, the Steam client nor website support accessibility, Valve won't put anything substantial back into the platform though they make billions of sales on tons of things, the message boards are deplorable disaster littered with trolls and trouble makers, moderation is a nightmare of bias and favouritism that doesn't deal with said trolls or trouble makers properly, the Steam user guidelines are too vague and sloppy giving moderators too much power over too many things, moderators wrongly warn or ban people because the Steam user guideline policies basically give them a loaded gun to shoot anyone with, Valve Early Access commission is steep, the Early Access program is an unregulated dumpster fire, their refund policy is garbage, award icons have become the new meta for troll enabling, gas lighting and the list goes on and on.

Where's Valve to fix it all? Nowhere to be seen, but In the back room counting all the money.

It's never a good idea to put all your games on one platform.
What does this have to do with launchers?

As for toxic individuals etc; game hubs and steam moderation take action on them. If someone gets permanently banned from a game hub as example, they're usually overwhelmingly an issue known to other players let alone eventually the Dev themselves, of which typically they become an issue to other game hubs and the main sections as they can no longer troll game hubs they're permanently banned from - so community bans should be used more often. People that are frequently banned without a ban being removed, are also overwhelmingly the source of most disruption and trolling on the forums. Troublemakers will find they will have a bad time and will earn more bans the more their behavior fails to improve, no matter what excuse they give or who they blame instead of being held accountable for their own behavior and improving behavior.

The platform is also constantly updating, as is VAC, and people often forget basic sales income numbers does not equate to sitting on billions of dollars as companies have operation expenses, taxes, etc. "Just hire more", "just spend more", "out of touch", "anti consumer" has been a crutch for people that don't realize a companies priorities are very different from their own, and if they're unhappy about that, they have plenty of places they can go which often doesn't have everything they want either. People will often bring these up but they're apparently more than happy to stay, though overwhelmingly they have an axe to grind with a Developer but take it out on Valve despite the Developer having made completely justified decisions.
Haruspex 7/dez./2023 às 21:13 
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Gaming was free of shackles until Valve entered the scene...

Before Valve entered the scene, games were distributed physically. You had to pay the publisher their share, you had to pay for the physical disks and packaging, you had to pay for the retail shelf space your game sat on, and you had to pay the retailer a cut at check out. By the end of it all, a developer was lucky to maybe see 10% of the money a customer paid for a game.

On top of that, other big companies were publicly declaring PC gaming as dead and console as the future. All their bets were placed on console and later mobile, leaving Valve to rise unopposed in the PC gaming space for years.

Honestly, we're probably lucky it was Valve that took the reigns on PC gaming for the past two decades and not some other far greedier company. They haven't thrown their weight around to stifle competition at all. People just choose Steam because they actually like it. They're more comfortable here.

Feel free to go spend all your time and money over at GOG. It's a great storefront, and I highly recommend it. The DRM free approach is very commendable, and it's carved them out a nice niche among those who care about that sort of thing.
Zefar 7/dez./2023 às 21:39 
Nearly 29 million peak user amount on Steam.

Supposedly dead.

Huh, this is something none of the other platform can boast about so they must be even more dead than Steam.
BORG 7/dez./2023 às 21:47 
Escrito originalmente por Zefar:
Nearly 29 million peak user amount on Steam.

Supposedly dead.

Huh, this is something none of the other platform can boast about so they must be even more dead than Steam.
Dead isn't always identified by numbers. People often misconceive numbers as defining a platform or game's 'dead' state. People who think in these terms don't see beyond the tunnel vision of digits to see what 'dead' really means to another person.

Stats aren't everything. Sheep are herd animals. People are often like herd animals. Just because the herd is travelling in one direction doesn't mean the ground they're travelling on is safe, secure or wise to travel on.
The End 7/dez./2023 às 21:52 
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Escrito originalmente por Zefar:
Nearly 29 million peak user amount on Steam.

Supposedly dead.

Huh, this is something none of the other platform can boast about so they must be even more dead than Steam.
Dead isn't always identified by numbers. People often misconceive numbers as defining a platform or game's 'dead' state. People who think in these terms don't see beyond the tunnel vision of digits to see what 'dead' really means to another person.

Stats aren't everything. Sheep are herd animals. People are often like herd animals. Just because the herd is travelling in one direction doesn't mean the ground they're travelling on is safe, secure or wise to travel on.

You keep believing what you want, this tells another story.

"Steam market is on track to generate over $9bn in full game revenue in 2023, a strong +18% growth over 2022"

BTW. When I dislike something as much as you seems to dislike Steam, I walk away and never look back.
Última edição por The End; 7/dez./2023 às 21:55
BORG 7/dez./2023 às 22:05 
Escrito originalmente por The End:
Escrito originalmente por BORG:
Dead isn't always identified by numbers. People often misconceive numbers as defining a platform or game's 'dead' state. People who think in these terms don't see beyond the tunnel vision of digits to see what 'dead' really means to another person.

Stats aren't everything. Sheep are herd animals. People are often like herd animals. Just because the herd is travelling in one direction doesn't mean the ground they're travelling on is safe, secure or wise to travel on.

You keep believing what you want, this tells another story.

"Steam market is on track to generate over $9bn in full game revenue in 2023, a strong +18% growth over 2022"

BTW. When I dislike something as much as you seems to dislike Steam, I walk away and never look back.
You omit one big detail though. 3/4 of the world was on lock down for almost 2 entire years with nothing to do. So, people played a lot of video games. They had no choice because they were locked up in their homes bored AF. Of course their damn percentages went up. It's commonsense. It happened on every platform ffs.

Good for you if you walk away from things you don't like. I could care less.
The End 7/dez./2023 às 22:07 
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Good for you if you walk away from things you don't like. I could care less.
Why hang out in a place you dislike this much? Why not use your valuable time in a place you like. Would make sense. Unless...
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GOG is a Dead Platform. :steammocking:
Indeed🙂
BORG 7/dez./2023 às 22:14 
Escrito originalmente por The End:
Escrito originalmente por BORG:
Good for you if you walk away from things you don't like. I could care less.
Why hang out in a place you dislike this much? Why not use your valuable time in a place you like. Would make sense. Unless...
I hang out where I want when I want. I hang out on many platforms some of which I don't care for just as much as Vavle's Steam, but where do we go when there's only so many places to go? Nowhere, but those platforms. If we want to play games and socialise with people, the only options are the big corporate or incorporate options who dominate the industry. Capitalism in a capitalist world doesn't leave us with a lot of options - unless of course we just quit playing video games all together and find a new hobby.
Última edição por BORG; 7/dez./2023 às 22:15
fluxtorrent 7/dez./2023 às 22:20 
Escrito originalmente por The End:
Escrito originalmente por BORG:
Good for you if you walk away from things you don't like. I could care less.
Why hang out in a place you dislike this much? Why not use your valuable time in a place you like. Would make sense. Unless...
Because they HAVE to convince you they are right. If they cant get you to follow their herd they are just sad loners
BORG 7/dez./2023 às 22:22 
Escrito originalmente por fluxtorrent:
Escrito originalmente por The End:
Why hang out in a place you dislike this much? Why not use your valuable time in a place you like. Would make sense. Unless...
Because they HAVE to convince you they are right. If they cant get you to follow their herd they are just sad loners
And resorting to insults somehow makes you a better person and more correct moreover someone else and that you're above them, right?
Zefar 7/dez./2023 às 22:23 
Escrito originalmente por BORG:
Escrito originalmente por Zefar:
Nearly 29 million peak user amount on Steam.

Supposedly dead.

Huh, this is something none of the other platform can boast about so they must be even more dead than Steam.
Dead isn't always identified by numbers. People often misconceive numbers as defining a platform or game's 'dead' state. People who think in these terms don't see beyond the tunnel vision of digits to see what 'dead' really means to another person.

Stats aren't everything. Sheep are herd animals. People are often like herd animals. Just because the herd is travelling in one direction doesn't mean the ground they're travelling on is safe, secure or wise to travel on.

That's very convenient of you to ignore the numbers Steam has.

Also Steams success is dependent on how many users it has. It'd be a warning sign if the numbers went down to a million or two from 29 million.

You just sound like all the other doomers out there that have been going "Steam is DOOOOOOOOOMED!" every year for the past 20 years.

But you know, better luck next time with the prediction.
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