A real family share

[Eyesis]

Hello,

as a father of 2 children having hell lot of steam games I just realized the feature callled family share is not useful for families and it is very missleading.

Can you create a real family share feature?
From the very same location the parents and the children might play different games similtaniously. Like in real world we can play with our toys at the same time.

And please rename the current family share to something else which is not missleading like "Play instead of me" or something like this.


The realy family share feature might be a one time purchased feature or a subscription as well.

Thanks

[Piston Smashed™]

引用自 Pickle Wick：

引用自 Piston Smashed™：

It will NEVER happen, people have said the same thing for 20 years and they have suggested the same type of work around but it doesn't work on PC's. IP Addresses can be spoofed etc, people have bypassed limitations on the PC since before Steam, something which isn't as easy on consoles but that's already been explained to you as to why. Give people an inch and they'll take the whole bloody thing.

I have mentioned it a few times before but you may have missed it so just in case I'll say it again... Steam does NOT do Family Accounts, they do Single User Accounts only...

This will not change just because you have kids now and a Steam Deck. We've had kids and multiple PC's and Laptops since the 90's. Steam was created to only have One User playing from One Account at any one time while connected to the internet.

You have two choices, you either put you or your kids into offline mode when wanting to play and hope you don't want to play online connected games at the same time OR you make accounts for your kids and buy the games for them like the rest of us parents have done for the past 20 years...

So genius. How is the current system better? And how can ip addresses be spoofed?. If you say VPN then I laid out a very detailed solution and you laid out very vague problems of which had you read what I wrote in its entirety was likely addressed.
Maybe read what I wrote a little slower and comprehend what exactly I wrote. I Dabble in programing, game design and yes. I've even setup some servers of my own. I know how this stuff works. Do you?

The system works as it is suppose to work, it does not need improving. One User, One Account playing One Game while connected to the internet. That's how Steam was designed to be, the Family Share feature is just a feature and came along many many years after Steams release because people wanted it. However, you must still stick to One Game played by One User from One Account, this will NOT change.

If you wish to know how to spoof IP addresses, or PC hardware I suggest a Google search and educate yourself. There's plenty of information out there and has been since the 90's that I know of. Your suggestions would not work because people could work around them and have done for years, which is why Steam will not change their stance nor have they done for the last 20 years even though people like you have commented so vigorously that your ideas will work since day one of Steam.

Again one last time because you missed it yet again... There are NO FAMILY ACCOUNTS!!! Only Single User Accounts...

I don't know programming but I have been known to dabble in bypassing things in my younger years.

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 Piston Smashed™：

引用自 Pickle Wick：

So genius. How is the current system better? And how can ip addresses be spoofed?. If you say VPN then I laid out a very detailed solution and you laid out very vague problems of which had you read what I wrote in its entirety was likely addressed.
Maybe read what I wrote a little slower and comprehend what exactly I wrote. I Dabble in programing, game design and yes. I've even setup some servers of my own. I know how this stuff works. Do you?

The system works as it is suppose to work, it does not need improving. One User, One Account playing One Game while connected to the internet. That's how Steam was designed to be, the Family Share feature is just a feature and came along many many years after Steams release because people wanted it. However, you must still stick to One Game played by One User from One Account, this will NOT change.

If you wish to know how to spoof IP addresses, or PC hardware I suggest a Google search and educate yourself. There's plenty of information out there and has been since the 90's that I know of. Your suggestions would not work because people could work around them and have done for years, which is why Steam will not change their stance nor have they done for the last 20 years even though people like you have commented so vigorously that your ideas will work since day one of Steam.

Again one last time because you missed it yet again... There are NO FAMILY ACCOUNTS!!! Only Single User Accounts...

I don't know programming but I have been known to dabble in bypassing things in my younger years. :spazwinky:

No I'm not asking Google. I'm asking you. How does one spoof their ip address?

Know why you can't answer that? Its because it doesn't exist. There isn't some magical config that stores your ip address. If it did exist there would be no use for services like VPNs or the tor network as you could just "spoof your ip". But its not that easy.

And Because You Keep Bringing It Up! I'm not asking for family accounts. Nobody is asking for family accounts so I don't know why you keep bring it up. Slow down. And comprehend what we are asking for.

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 Spawn of Totoro：

引用自 Salooki：

Although being able to let my sister borrow one game from my library while I play another would be very helpful.

If you are not playing an online game, then you can run Steam in off-line mode. Your sister would be required to be online in order to play the shared game.

引用自 Salooki：

But I also understand game developers need to make money, so maybe a solution better than the current one can't be achieved reasonably? Not sure.

It would be hard to convince them that they were not losing money due to it. Developers/publishers are very skeptical an paranoid on that point. Even if it doesn't happen, the fact it can be perceived as such is often enough for them to refuse. Remember, most of them answer to stock holders and stock holders tend to be more greedy then most. If they don't see steady increase in value, then management may get axed.

This is a legit concern as it is hard to argue these points to stock holders.

But at the end of the day they will still always be free to disable family sharing on their games if they feel skeptical about the new system and all the previously abused copies that people don't actually own would break regardless of them opting in or out making a flood of people be forced to actually buy the game they are playing or loose access because they should have never had access in the first place... I think this is a win for everyone.

[Piston Smashed™]

引用自 Pickle Wick：

引用自 Piston Smashed™：

The system works as it is suppose to work, it does not need improving. One User, One Account playing One Game while connected to the internet. That's how Steam was designed to be, the Family Share feature is just a feature and came along many many years after Steams release because people wanted it. However, you must still stick to One Game played by One User from One Account, this will NOT change.

If you wish to know how to spoof IP addresses, or PC hardware I suggest a Google search and educate yourself. There's plenty of information out there and has been since the 90's that I know of. Your suggestions would not work because people could work around them and have done for years, which is why Steam will not change their stance nor have they done for the last 20 years even though people like you have commented so vigorously that your ideas will work since day one of Steam.

Again one last time because you missed it yet again... There are NO FAMILY ACCOUNTS!!! Only Single User Accounts...

I don't know programming but I have been known to dabble in bypassing things in my younger years.

No I'm not asking Google. I'm asking you. How does one spoof their ip address?

Know why you can't answer that? Its because it doesn't exist. There isn't some magical config that stores your ip address. If it did exist there would be no use for services like VPNs or the tor network as you could just "spoof your ip". But its not that easy.

And Because You Keep Bringing It Up! I'm not asking for family accounts. Nobody is asking for family accounts so I don't know why you keep bring it up. Slow down. And comprehend what we are asking for.

Not my place to educate someone and what's the point especially if they already know everything. Besides I charge by the hour and you couldn't afford me.

I brought it up because you don't seem to understand Steam being a Single User Account.

引用自 Pickle Wick：

This is a legit concern as it is hard to argue these points to stock holders.

What stock holders? Valve is a privately owned company there are no stock holders.

Anyhoo, I'm done with you, there's no point in keep flogging a dead horse it's not going to get up and learn anything... Time to play something.

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 Piston Smashed™：

引用自 Pickle Wick：

No I'm not asking Google. I'm asking you. How does one spoof their ip address?

Know why you can't answer that? Its because it doesn't exist. There isn't some magical config that stores your ip address. If it did exist there would be no use for services like VPNs or the tor network as you could just "spoof your ip". But its not that easy.

And Because You Keep Bringing It Up! I'm not asking for family accounts. Nobody is asking for family accounts so I don't know why you keep bring it up. Slow down. And comprehend what we are asking for.

Not my place to educate someone and what's the point especially if they already know everything. Besides I charge by the hour and you couldn't afford me. :spazwinky:

I brought it up because you don't seem to understand Steam being a Single User Account.

引用自 Pickle Wick：

This is a legit concern as it is hard to argue these points to stock holders.

What stock holders? Valve is a privately owned company there are no stock holders. :spazwinky:

Anyhoo, I'm done with you, there's no point in keep flogging a dead horse it's not going to get up and learn anything... Time to play something. :happyleon:

We never said anything about valve stock holders. We were referring to the stock holders of the developers. Slow down. Read. Comprehend.

And yes if you seem to have some mysterious knowledge on how ip addresses ( assigned to you by your ISP ) can be spoofed without using a VPN or tor. then yes you need to explain your claims as it is not common knowledge. Without explanation your entire comment is completely meaningless. But hey thanks for the bump!

[Eyesis]

Just read it again: "Family share" and compare it to reality:
We can "share" our libaries with our friends and they are not our family. So the "family" part is misleading.
We cannot actually share our libraries, we just let them play whatever we have while we work or sleep.. so the second part, the "share" is also misleading...

I am raising some potential steam clients, but they do not have jobs yet because they are kids. This is a good chance to get them early, but Valve seems to prefer the instant cash.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 Eyesis：

Just read it again: "Family share" and compare it to reality:
We can "share" our libaries with our friends and they are not our family. So the "family" part is misleading.
We cannot actually share our libraries, we just let them play whatever we have while we work or sleep.. so the second part, the "share" is also misleading...

I am raising some potential steam clients, but they do not have jobs yet because they are kids. This is a good chance to get them early, but Valve seems to prefer the instant cash.

It isn't misleading.

You are sharing your library with other accounts. The only other way to do so is give those users access to your account.

[Brian9824]

引用自 Eyesis：

Just read it again: "Family share" and compare it to reality:
We can "share" our libaries with our friends and they are not our family. So the "family" part is misleading.
We cannot actually share our libraries, we just let them play whatever we have while we work or sleep.. so the second part, the "share" is also misleading...

I am raising some potential steam clients, but they do not have jobs yet because they are kids. This is a good chance to get them early, but Valve seems to prefer the instant cash.

Again as its been said repeatedly it requires the developers to agree to it. The only way they could get that agreement was with the restrictions to limit improper use. The entire point is to let people access your games without giving them access to your account. So its only misleading if you refuse to actually read anything on it such as the entire page they have devoted to how it works

https://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 Eyesis：

Just read it again: "Family share" and compare it to reality:
We can "share" our libaries with our friends and they are not our family. So the "family" part is misleading.
We cannot actually share our libraries, we just let them play whatever we have while we work or sleep.. so the second part, the "share" is also misleading...

I am raising some potential steam clients, but they do not have jobs yet because they are kids. This is a good chance to get them early, but Valve seems to prefer the instant cash.

It isn't misleading.

You are sharing your library with other accounts. The only other way to do so is give those users access to your account.

But it is misleading, If i were to "family share" a pizza I would envision a family sitting around a table and sharing a pizza, If i were to "family share" a car, I would envision a family member driving the family car ( as apposed to taking the entire collection of keys to all of the families cars ) And last but not least when you say "family share" a game I envision a transfer of a single copy of media NOT an entire box of media, What we have right now is "Library Lending" and should be labeled as such given we do not have "Family Sharing". It is 100% misleading Just as the Button labeled "PURCHASE" is misleading as the word "Purchase" as far as i can tell does not exists in the user agreement.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 Pickle Wick：

引用自 SlowMango：

It isn't misleading.

You are sharing your library with other accounts. The only other way to do so is give those users access to your account.

But it is misleading, If i were to "family share" a pizza I would envision a family sitting around a table and sharing a pizza, If i were to "family share" a car, I would envision a family member driving the family car ( as apposed to taking the entire collection of keys to all of the families cars ) And last but not least when you say "family share" a game I envision a transfer of a single copy of media NOT an entire box of media, What we have right now is "Library Lending" and should be labeled as such given we do not have "Family Sharing". It is 100% misleading Just as the Button labeled "PURCHASE" is misleading as the word "Purchase" as far as i can tell does not exists in the user agreement.

Can you use a car while someone else ifla driving it?

Can you eat a slice of pizza while someone else is eating it?

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 Pickle Wick：

But it is misleading, If i were to "family share" a pizza I would envision a family sitting around a table and sharing a pizza, If i were to "family share" a car, I would envision a family member driving the family car ( as apposed to taking the entire collection of keys to all of the families cars ) And last but not least when you say "family share" a game I envision a transfer of a single copy of media NOT an entire box of media, What we have right now is "Library Lending" and should be labeled as such given we do not have "Family Sharing". It is 100% misleading Just as the Button labeled "PURCHASE" is misleading as the word "Purchase" as far as i can tell does not exists in the user agreement.

Can you use a car while someone else ifla driving it?

Can you eat a slice of pizza while someone else is eating it?

No, the question is why when a family member is driving the mini van are they also taking away the ability for another family member to drive the jeep?.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 Pickle Wick：

引用自 SlowMango：

Can you use a car while someone else ifla driving it?

Can you eat a slice of pizza while someone else is eating it?

No, the question is why when a family member is driving the mini van are they also taking away the ability for another family member to drive the jeep?.

Because the license for the account is a single use. Which applies to everything sold and launched through Steam.

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 Pickle Wick：

No, the question is why when a family member is driving the mini van are they also taking away the ability for another family member to drive the jeep?.

Because the license for the account is a single use. Which applies to everything sold and launched through Steam.

Then change the name to "Library lending" as it is indeed not "Family Sharing".
Besides, If its "single use" then why are you allowed to share it at all period?

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 Pickle Wick：

引用自 SlowMango：

Because the license for the account is a single use. Which applies to everything sold and launched through Steam.

Then change the name to "Library lending" as it is indeed not "Family Sharing".

It still is sharing.

You can only share it if the developer allows it. They allow it know the terms of how it's used.

[Pickle Wick]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 Pickle Wick：

Then change the name to "Library lending" as it is indeed not "Family Sharing".

It still is sharing.

You can only share it if the developer allows it. They allow it know the terms of how it's used.

Then let them "Family share" it as the label would suggest.