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Steam Deck Ambassador Program
So have seen discussions about discounts and what not for the OLED Steam Deck. I do think the new Steam Deck looks cool. I do think it would have been nice to see Valve announce it much earlier. I have friends that bought them recently after getting to miss around with mine. In fact my best friends son saved up money and recently bought one. Feel like they didn't get the opportunity they should have.

Despite all this though I had an idea. When Nintendo Launched the Nintendo 3DS it did pretty well but to really try and push up sales they dropped the price a a whopping $80 from $249 to $169.

In order to help lessen the blow to the early adopters they started the Nintendo Ambassador Program for those that paid $249. They gave them 20 games as well as other perks.

If Steam Deck owners aren't going to be offered discounts perhaps Steam could Start an Ambassador Program and do something for those of us that pre-ordered. Even maybe tier it based on what model you purchased. I probably say that as I had a day one $650 model lol.

I think it would be a great way to show customer loyalty. The Steam Deck seemed awesome to a lot of people but it wasn't until they saw what it could do in person that led to a lot of people purchasing them. I know my friends wouldn't of purchased one if they hadn't gotten to use mine.

Just a thought and suggestion but one I think Valve should consider. What are your guys thoughts?
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Also FYI your info is woefully inaccurate. The sales for the 3ds were VERY bad at launch and the device was poorly received at his price point which was what triggered the drop.

The exact OPPOSITE scenario of the steam deck which had its price point praised for what it gave, and which was sold out with long waits for almost a year non stop.

The Steam Deck had zero competition when it launched. Not even close to the case anymore. And as Valve is promising to deliver Steam OS as a download a lot of these other devices have much higher specs for not that much money more.

The 3ds didn't have any competition either, it still didn't sell well. Nintendo has always dominated the handheld console market. Not having much competition doesn't mean your product is gonna sell well if its not priced at a good point.
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The Steam Deck had zero competition when it launched. Not even close to the case anymore. And as Valve is promising to deliver Steam OS as a download a lot of these other devices have much higher specs for not that much money more.

The 3ds didn't have any competition either, it still didn't sell well. Nintendo has always dominated the handheld console market. Not having much competition doesn't mean your product is gonna sell well if its not priced at a good point.
Sony Playstation Vita was announced and getting ready to release only a few months after the Nintendo Ambassador Program launched. In fact while Sony wasn't crazy competitive it could of been in part, a part of the reason the 3ds received a price cut and the Ambassador Program.
No Xbox already does this and people hate ambassadors with a passion.
Xbox "ambassadors" appear to have literally nothing whatsoever to do with what's suggested by OP; https://ambassadors.microsoft.com/xbox.
Последно редактиран от Yujah; 13 ноем. 2023 в 12:56
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The 3ds didn't have any competition either, it still didn't sell well. Nintendo has always dominated the handheld console market. Not having much competition doesn't mean your product is gonna sell well if its not priced at a good point.
Sony Playstation Vita was announced and getting ready to release only a few months after the Nintendo Ambassador Program launched. In fact while Sony wasn't crazy competitive it could of been in part, a part of the reason the 3ds received a price cut and the Ambassador Program.

3ds launch date - March 27, 2011
Via launch date - December 17, 2011

So yes, as stated it launched with no competition. The vita coming out 9 months later isn't competition at launch, unlike the Steam Deck which had actual competition out before it and AFTER it.

Steam Deck release date - February 25, 2022
GPD Win 3 - Jan 2021
OneXPlayer - Dec 2021
GPD Win MAX - June 2020
Aya Neo Founder - July 2021
Aya Neo - Dec 2022

Those are just SOME of the alternatives to the steam deck, so the steam deck launched to quite a bit more competition then the 3ds did, AND without the complete dominating history that Nintendo has with the hand held market.


3ds launched with poor sales and lackluster reception. Nintendo directly commented and acknowledged the poor sales. It had nothing to do with the Vita. They severely over-priced the 3ds as people were not expecting such a high priced system from Nintendo, and once they lowered the price to a more reasonable level it did great.
Последно редактиран от Brian9824; 13 ноем. 2023 в 12:59
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Sony Playstation Vita was announced and getting ready to release only a few months after the Nintendo Ambassador Program launched. In fact while Sony wasn't crazy competitive it could of been in part, a part of the reason the 3ds received a price cut and the Ambassador Program.

3ds launch date - March 27, 2011
Via launch date - December 17, 2011

So yes, as stated it launched with no competition. The vita coming out 9 months later isn't competition at launch, unlike the Steam Deck which had actual competition out before it and AFTER it.

Steam Deck release date - February 25, 2022
GPD Win 3 - Jan 2021
OneXPlayer - Dec 2021
GPD Win MAX - June 2020
Aya Neo Founder - July 2021
Aya Neo - Dec 2022

Those are just SOME of the alternatives to the steam deck, so the steam deck launched to quite a bit more competition then the 3ds did, AND without the complete dominating history that Nintendo has with the hand held market.


3ds launched with poor sales and lackluster reception. Nintendo directly commented and acknowledged the poor sales. It had nothing to do with the Vita. They severely over-priced the 3ds as people were not expecting such a high priced system from Nintendo, and once they lowered the price to a more reasonable level it did great.

DS and PSP where already competing with each other at this point. 3DS launched first but did its price drop in October not March right before the launch of the Vita.

The devices you listed weren't really competitors. It wasn't until March of this year when AMD launched the Ryzen Z1 and Z1 Extreme chips that things got competitive as the Steam Deck had a custom SOC and previous devices had more or less just taken parts available for other devices and put them in a gaming device. It was night and day different before compared to after.
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3ds launch date - March 27, 2011
Via launch date - December 17, 2011

So yes, as stated it launched with no competition. The vita coming out 9 months later isn't competition at launch, unlike the Steam Deck which had actual competition out before it and AFTER it.

Steam Deck release date - February 25, 2022
GPD Win 3 - Jan 2021
OneXPlayer - Dec 2021
GPD Win MAX - June 2020
Aya Neo Founder - July 2021
Aya Neo - Dec 2022

Those are just SOME of the alternatives to the steam deck, so the steam deck launched to quite a bit more competition then the 3ds did, AND without the complete dominating history that Nintendo has with the hand held market.


3ds launched with poor sales and lackluster reception. Nintendo directly commented and acknowledged the poor sales. It had nothing to do with the Vita. They severely over-priced the 3ds as people were not expecting such a high priced system from Nintendo, and once they lowered the price to a more reasonable level it did great.

DS and PSP where already competing with each other at this point. 3DS launched first but did its price drop in October not March right before the launch of the Vita.

The devices you listed weren't really competitors. It wasn't until March of this year when AMD launched the Ryzen Z1 and Z1 Extreme chips that things got competitive as the Steam Deck had a custom SOC and previous devices had more or less just taken parts available for other devices and put them in a gaming device. It was night and day different before compared to after.


The devices he listed were all handheld form-factor PCs. They were direct competitors to the Deck.

IIRC Valve even talked about the current market lacking a cheaper choice and that's why they made the Deck.
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DS and PSP where already competing with each other at this point. 3DS launched first but did its price drop in October not March right before the launch of the Vita.
Nope, you really need to check your facts. The price dropped in August after several months of bad sales. After 5 months they had less then 1 million sales in the US. After the price drop, they outsold the DS by the end of the first year




Първоначално публикувано от Flatline:
The devices you listed weren't really competitors. It wasn't until March of this year when AMD launched the Ryzen Z1 and Z1 Extreme chips that things got competitive as the Steam Deck had a custom SOC and previous devices had more or less just taken parts available for other devices and put them in a gaming device. It was night and day different before compared to after.
Not really, all of those are direct competitors

In fact multiple sites even note that - https://www.pcmag.com/picks/cant-buy-a-steam-deck-alternatives-to-consider

https://droix.net/blogs/the-best-steam-deck-alternatives/

There were a massive amount of competitors, but Steam priced theirs competitively which is what the 3ds failed to do.
Последно редактиран от Brian9824; 13 ноем. 2023 в 13:19
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DS and PSP where already competing with each other at this point. 3DS launched first but did its price drop in October not March right before the launch of the Vita.

The devices you listed weren't really competitors. It wasn't until March of this year when AMD launched the Ryzen Z1 and Z1 Extreme chips that things got competitive as the Steam Deck had a custom SOC and previous devices had more or less just taken parts available for other devices and put them in a gaming device. It was night and day different before compared to after.


The devices he listed were all handheld form-factor PCs. They were direct competitors to the Deck.

IIRC Valve even talked about the current market lacking a cheaper choice and that's why they made the Deck.
Except none of those devices are available anymore. Why? Because they have been almost exclusively replaced by AMD Z1 upgraded versions.

Do you all get kick backs from Valve? Why people show such loyalty to companies that typically don't do anything unless it profits them. Yet you work for them for free to try and go on some sort to self fulfilled justice rants.

I mean Valve takes 30 percent revenue just to put the game on their platform. Only 3 percent of developers in surveys think that is fair. It is also the reason we are seeing price increases.

All I was suggesting is Valve show some semblance of loyalty and do something cool for early adopters. But seeing as how it is so easy for you all and it isn't a big deal and it is so easy for you all to just drop this type of money on a device all the time then I was wait for you generous gift to my Steam Account so I can purchase an OLED model because after all it shouldn't be a big deal am I right?
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Do you all get kick backs from Valve? Why people show such loyalty to companies that typically don't do anything unless it profits them. Yet you work for them for free to try and go on some sort to self fulfilled justice rants.
People can disagree without being some sort of paid agents. It's a dishonest, frequent move, when people merely disagree. One can just make the suggestion and take disagreements as-is.

For example, all I was going to write was "If they wanted to do this, they probably already would've done so".

Първоначално публикувано от Flatline:
I mean Valve takes 30 percent revenue just to put the game on their platform. Only 3 percent of developers in surveys think that is fair. It is also the reason we are seeing price increases.
How many Developers, out of the entire Developer pool was actually given such a survey? Because often surveys are done with very few people that could possibly represent the whole, and usually done in areas to get more of what one wants to have as a narrative, rather than reach out for more of a sample size in truthful environments.

For example, I see plenty of 100 person surveys, for things that are supposedly used to represent an entire country, usually done in an area that would give the survey giver the results they personally want. Without polling as many as possibly, it's not probable that only 3% agree with the cut being fair.

Първоначално публикувано от Flatline:
All I was suggesting is Valve show some semblance of loyalty and do something cool for early adopters. But seeing as how it is so easy for you all and it isn't a big deal and it is so easy for you all to just drop this type of money on a device all the time then I was wait for you generous gift to my Steam Account so I can purchase an OLED model because after all it shouldn't be a big deal am I right?
Early adoption doesn't really mean one is deserved something though. They can do so if they want, but buying the 1st thing doesn't mean you'll get "more" when something else comes out. Patience is often better if one wants more, wants a bundle, a promotional bundle/sale etc.


Again, if they want to, they likely would've done so. But consumers are not entitled to anything simply for buying the 1st thing. Would it be nice for such? Sure, but they also only own their own games, they are free to give their own games with the Deck, but to get others likely they'd have to ask or pay the Dev for it, and it's always best to ask for permission than forgiveness when it comes to B2B things if wanting to do promotional stuff.
Последно редактиран от Mad Scientist; 13 ноем. 2023 в 13:56
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The devices he listed were all handheld form-factor PCs. They were direct competitors to the Deck.

IIRC Valve even talked about the current market lacking a cheaper choice and that's why they made the Deck.
Except none of those devices are available anymore. Why? Because they have been almost exclusively replaced by AMD Z1 upgraded versions.

Do you all get kick backs from Valve? Why people show such loyalty to companies that typically don't do anything unless it profits them. Yet you work for them for free to try and go on some sort to self fulfilled justice rants.

I mean Valve takes 30 percent revenue just to put the game on their platform. Only 3 percent of developers in surveys think that is fair. It is also the reason we are seeing price increases.

All I was suggesting is Valve show some semblance of loyalty and do something cool for early adopters. But seeing as how it is so easy for you all and it isn't a big deal and it is so easy for you all to just drop this type of money on a device all the time then I was wait for you generous gift to my Steam Account so I can purchase an OLED model because after all it shouldn't be a big deal am I right?

First of all what does them not being available NOW, have anything to do with the fact that they were available before and after the launch of the Steam deck and were competition?

Secondly they are indeed still available now, you can find them on amazon. It's not a matter of loyalty, you were making erroneous claims and I posted the actual correct info. The Nintendo ambassador program was one of Nintendo's biggest mistakes and something they had to quickly take action to correct.

The steam deck was the exact opposite and aggressively priced from the get go. Trying to compare the two is nonsensical.


Not to mention most people will say they feel the prices of what they pay for a variety of things are too high, yet have you wondered why those dev's who feel the price is too high aren't putting their games on Humble or EPIC? They might complain about the price, but they know they won't sell a fraction of what they will on Steam. It's also the same cut many other stores take as well, so its not even that unusual of a cut. Epic charges less, but EPIC also has a trainwreck of a store that has lost over a billion dollars to date and has major issues...

Also your claims about Valve's cut being the reason you are seeing price increases for games is also wrong. Your seeing the same increases on other stores like EPIC, Battle.net, etc. The increase is because adjusted for inflation games haven't had a price increase in 20+ years and are at record low levels.

Again, basic research is very important before making claims.
Последно редактиран от Brian9824; 13 ноем. 2023 в 14:03
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The devices he listed were all handheld form-factor PCs. They were direct competitors to the Deck.

IIRC Valve even talked about the current market lacking a cheaper choice and that's why they made the Deck.
Except none of those devices are available anymore. Why? Because they have been almost exclusively replaced by AMD Z1 upgraded versions.

Do you all get kick backs from Valve? Why people show such loyalty to companies that typically don't do anything unless it profits them. Yet you work for them for free to try and go on some sort to self fulfilled justice rants.

I mean Valve takes 30 percent revenue just to put the game on their platform. Only 3 percent of developers in surveys think that is fair. It is also the reason we are seeing price increases.

All I was suggesting is Valve show some semblance of loyalty and do something cool for early adopters. But seeing as how it is so easy for you all and it isn't a big deal and it is so easy for you all to just drop this type of money on a device all the time then I was wait for you generous gift to my Steam Account so I can purchase an OLED model because after all it shouldn't be a big deal am I right?

That's still competition on release. Them being available now is irrelevant to if they were competition or not because they were in the market on the release of the Deck.


There is no "self fulfilled justice rants", just explanations on how the situations aren't comparable.

Valve's 30% isn't a hard number and is actually only 25% IIRC. It's also the standard for any type of store to cover overhead, even brick and mortar where you actually have to complete with physical space. When publishing a game on Steam, you get a DRM(albeit, a very light one) if you want, forums(with mods), mod support, multiplayer support, streamlined updating, achuevment support and even extra goodies in the form of the points shop. That's where that percentage cut goes.

I have no need for an OLED model because I'm fine with an OG model that I bought at release. The tweaks to the OLED aren't worth the money to me and that's fine.

Was I annoyed they released an OLED model? Yeah, a tad. But I've done the tech game long enough to know how hardware iterations are and knew being an early adopter means I would miss out on a newer iteration if one came.
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Do you all get kick backs from Valve? Why people show such loyalty to companies that typically don't do anything unless it profits them. Yet you work for them for free to try and go on some sort to self fulfilled justice rants.
People can disagree without being some sort of paid agents. It's a dishonest, frequent move, when people merely disagree. One can just make the suggestion and take disagreements as-is.

For example, all I was going to write was "If they wanted to do this, they probably already would've done so".

Първоначално публикувано от Flatline:
I mean Valve takes 30 percent revenue just to put the game on their platform. Only 3 percent of developers in surveys think that is fair. It is also the reason we are seeing price increases.
How many Developers, out of the entire Developer pool was actually given such a survey? Because often surveys are done with very few people that could possibly represent the whole, and usually done in areas to get more of what one wants to have as a narrative, rather than reach out for more of a sample size in truthful environments.

For example, I see plenty of 100 person surveys, for things that are supposedly used to represent an entire country, usually done in an area that would give the survey giver the results they personally want. Without polling as many as possibly, it's not probable that only 3% agree with the cut being fair.

Първоначално публикувано от Flatline:
All I was suggesting is Valve show some semblance of loyalty and do something cool for early adopters. But seeing as how it is so easy for you all and it isn't a big deal and it is so easy for you all to just drop this type of money on a device all the time then I was wait for you generous gift to my Steam Account so I can purchase an OLED model because after all it shouldn't be a big deal am I right?
Early adoption doesn't really mean one is deserved something though. They can do so if they want, but buying the 1st thing doesn't mean you'll get "more" when something else comes out. Patience is often better if one wants more, wants a bundle, a promotional bundle/sale etc.


Again, if they want to, they likely would've done so. But consumers are not entitled to anything simply for buying the 1st thing. Would it be nice for such? Sure, but they also only own their own games, they are free to give their own games with the Deck, but to get others likely they'd have to ask or pay the Dev for it, and it's always best to ask for permission than forgiveness when it comes to B2B things if wanting to do promotional stuff.
I mean The Epic game Store wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Valve taking 30 percent. That is their whole thing. They take 12 percent. 30 percent is pretty common in the industry and is why game developers have shown frustration with it. Especially when you have companies and game engines etc then also trying to take percentages for game sales etc. It adds up super fast.

I don't like Epic game store and haven't spent a dime on it. Yet I some ways it is awesome because even though I haven't put a dime into it I now own over 420 games on the platform. Given to me for free. New games every single week. Not just crap games, some are indeed, but good games even if some are older. Borderlands 2,3 and pre-sequel, Bioshock Remastered collection, Batman Arkham Collection, Axiom Verge, Allen Wake, A Plague Tale: Innocence, Celeste, City Skylines, Control, Darksiders 1&2 remasters, Death Stranding, Dishonored, Fallout 1,2,3, Tactics, and New Vegas, Ghost Wire Tokyo, GTA 5, Homeworld Remastered Collection, Metro Redux Collection, Nioh Complete Edition, Prey, Ultimate Editions of 3 newest Tomb Raider games, Civilization VI, Sonic Mania, The Messenger, The Outer Worlds, Total War Warhammer 1&2, Transistor, Tyrrany, Watch Dogs 1 & 2, Wolfenstein New Order, Wonderboy, Xcom 2 etc etc etc. To just name a few that grabbed my attention with a quick scroll through. This from a company that hasn't received 1 cent from me.

Ok So now as someone that bought a Steam Controller, a Steam Machine, a Steam Link, and a Steam Deck and has a ton more games on my Steam account all of which have been paid for and Valve has done what?

I don't think some customer loyalty and doing something cool for the customer every once in a while is such a far fetched idea.
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Except none of those devices are available anymore. Why? Because they have been almost exclusively replaced by AMD Z1 upgraded versions.

Do you all get kick backs from Valve? Why people show such loyalty to companies that typically don't do anything unless it profits them. Yet you work for them for free to try and go on some sort to self fulfilled justice rants.

I mean Valve takes 30 percent revenue just to put the game on their platform. Only 3 percent of developers in surveys think that is fair. It is also the reason we are seeing price increases.

All I was suggesting is Valve show some semblance of loyalty and do something cool for early adopters. But seeing as how it is so easy for you all and it isn't a big deal and it is so easy for you all to just drop this type of money on a device all the time then I was wait for you generous gift to my Steam Account so I can purchase an OLED model because after all it shouldn't be a big deal am I right?

That's still competition on release. Them being available now is irrelevant to if they were competition or not because they were in the market on the release of the Deck.


There is no "self fulfilled justice rants", just explanations on how the situations aren't comparable.

Valve's 30% isn't a hard number and is actually only 25% IIRC. It's also the standard for any type of store to cover overhead, even brick and mortar where you actually have to complete with physical space. When publishing a game on Steam, you get a DRM(albeit, a very light one) if you want, forums(with mods), mod support, multiplayer support, streamlined updating, achuevment support and even extra goodies in the form of the points shop. That's where that percentage cut goes.

I have no need for an OLED model because I'm fine with an OG model that I bought at release. The tweaks to the OLED aren't worth the money to me and that's fine.

Was I annoyed they released an OLED model? Yeah, a tad. But I've done the tech game long enough to know how hardware iterations are and knew being an early adopter means I would miss out on a newer iteration if one came.
It isn't real competition. There are no long term plans with GPD or Aya Neo products. At least so far. They announce an upgrade every 6 months or less and discontinue the old device. The Z1 Ryzen platform created a standard to put most on equal footing outside of specs like resolution and screen size etc. It is worlds apart from the handful of products released prior to the Steam Deck and I don't know a single person that wanted any of the devices prior to the Steam Deck and I work in tech in an industry with a bunch of gamers that are always looking for the next cool gadget and no one wanted any of those. Though they are interested in a ton of the ones released since.
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I mean The Epic game Store wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Valve taking 30 percent.
The only, realistic reason that store even exists is because of 2 things, primarily the first;

-Epic takes all of their income, and push it into the money pit that is EGS
-Epic is trying to lure new users and a large amount of them into being paying customers, by offering free games for years, which is still a failing strategy, resulting in returning to the first point.

It has nothing to do with the cut, realistically. It's a failure of an experiment with money being shoveled into it, thus it's not even a true competitor compared to Ubi/EA/etc.

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That is their whole thing. They take 12 percent. 30 percent is pretty common in the industry and is why game developers have shown frustration with it. Especially when you have companies and game engines etc then also trying to take percentages for game sales etc. It adds up super fast.
You get almost nothing compared to using Steam, so "that is their whole thing" is a much more limited customer base, far less overall reach, an anti-competitive nature, and a lot less extras that Valve handles via Steam. Lots of people don't like EGS Exclusives compared to letting them sell anywhere & everywhere (which even means not just steam). Valve lets you sell anywhere you want to sell your game, not just on Steam, as long as you don't mis-use or abuse the Steam Keys system outside of Steam.

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I don't like Epic game store and haven't spent a dime on it.
Loads of people just claim the free game & don't spend on there especially outside of fortnite transactions, so it's displaying of not being a serious competitor as a store/service.

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Yet I some ways it is awesome because even though I haven't put a dime into it I now own over 420 games on the platform. Given to me for free.
It's easy to take less of a cut, and spend money on trying to entice people to become customers, not realizing that a failing strategy is still that.

Notice how all of that free stuff isn't from being a loyal customer?

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Ok So now as someone that bought a Steam Controller, a Steam Machine, a Steam Link, and a Steam Deck and has a ton more games on my Steam account all of which have been paid for and Valve has done what?
Given you an unlimited status, ability to upload an absurd amount of screenshots, use all the social features, access to any steam related services you're allowed access to, including SteamCMD to get & run dedicated servers (for things you're allowed such), any and all other tools added via steam, the workshop which does all of the work for you rather than manual installations and manual updating, community market & trading system (allows more account steam wallet generation if done well), ETC.

Let's not forget Steam Sales are a huge selling point as well, known internationally, so affordability with patience is a huge advantage to using Steam.

Първоначално публикувано от Flatline:
I don't think some customer loyalty and doing something cool for the customer every once in a while is such a far fetched idea.
They can do that, if they want to.

If they do, they do.
If they don't, they don't.
That's up to them.
But people are not entitled to such merely for making purchases.
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