Beto 27 OCT 2023 a las 1:59 a. m.
Postpone the USD price in Turkey and Argentine untill 2024
Making such a huge price change that will result in aroud 60% price increase (for games that use the suggested price) one day before the Autumn Sale is one of the most disrespectful and anti-consumer thing that Valve could make to us. A lot of people save money for months to be able to buy games in this seasonal sales and you are just ignoring it. At least to me this will make Steam be know for making the most scuffed Sale in the gaming industry and will lose the little trust that i have in the platform.
Such a huge change in pricing need to be made at the start of the year and with at least 3 months of advance and not less than a month. Like i said before, a lot of people save money for months to have the possibility to buy games in this type of sales, and Steam are just showing how much they don't care about their customers by making a huge price change one day before the sale goes live.
So i kindly ask Valve/Steam to postpone this change until January 2024, to show some respect for their comunity because the consumers affected by the change will at least have a fair chance to buy the games on the Autumn Sale and prepare themselves to the future, and perhaps this extra time let you at Valve/Steam to rethink and mature all this new price change police.
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☎need4naiim☎ 28 OCT 2023 a las 9:30 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Yujah:
So I take it the answer's "no" then. Figures. I mean, you haven't been reporting back through the voting booth for 20 years now, so...
I don't care whether you take as an answer or not.

I made my point in my initial post, and i stand by it. You may deduce that "i will be The President of United States in 2024" from my above post, or other judgment. That's your take and i don't need to change your opinion.
Última edición por ☎need4naiim☎; 28 OCT 2023 a las 9:31 a. m.
nullable 28 OCT 2023 a las 10:13 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
Publicado originalmente por Yujah:
So I take it the answer's "no" then. Figures. I mean, you haven't been reporting back through the voting booth for 20 years now, so...
I don't care whether you take as an answer or not.

I made my point in my initial post, and i stand by it. You may deduce that "i will be The President of United States in 2024" from my above post, or other judgment. That's your take and i don't need to change your opinion.

Your allowed to entertain whatever self-important fantasies you want. If you're foolish enough to state them publicly you're going to get a lot of obvious criticism. You can pretend like none of it has merit as part of your fantasy if you want. But I think you'll find the rest of the universe has never cared about any of your fantasies.

Also a bit of advice about your over-specific predictions. "If you want to be right, be vague." Because you see when you peg your BS to the next year, it's invites the fair response about who's going to eat crow when your prediction expires. And whether you're dismissive of those challenges now, or you don't want to address them next year results in the same thing: User running their mouth and saying things they don't plan on being accountable for and they don't really stand behind.

I mean you claim you stand by your point, but again that's just empty posturing and easy to do because you have no intention of doing so once this topic permanently falls off the front page.
Última edición por nullable; 28 OCT 2023 a las 10:16 a. m.
☎need4naiim☎ 28 OCT 2023 a las 10:40 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I don't care whether you take as an answer or not.

I made my point in my initial post, and i stand by it. You may deduce that "i will be The President of United States in 2024" from my above post, or other judgment. That's your take and i don't need to change your opinion.

Your allowed to entertain whatever self-important fantasies you want. If you're foolish enough to state them publicly you're going to get a lot of obvious criticism. You can pretend like none of it has merit as part of your fantasy if you want. But I think you'll find the rest of the universe has never cared about any of your fantasies.

Also a bit of advice about your over-specific predictions. "If you want to be right, be vague." Because you see when you peg your BS to the next year, it's invites the fair response about who's going to eat crow when your prediction expires. And whether you're dismissive of those challenges now, or you don't want to address them next year results in the same thing: User running their mouth and saying things they don't plan on being accountable for and they don't really stand behind.

I mean you claim you stand by your point, but again that's just empty posturing and easy to do because you have no intention of doing so once this topic permanently falls off the front page.
Talking about my "fantasies", i predicted the arrival of Diablo_IV to Steam by March 2022, even the game was not yet in Battle/net. I also predicted years ago that Microsoft would be buying Blizzard. I have many others too but they are mostly political ones so i skip them writing in here.

I can share my expectations here in Steam Discussions as long as they are within Forum rules. Have a problem with that?

As years gone by, i learnt how to deal with naysayers. I am not here to make you believe nor trust on my expectations. If you don't like to read my posts, feel free to block me anytime. I will be honored. :WoTB_shell:
nullable 28 OCT 2023 a las 11:22 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
Talking about my "fantasies", i predicted the arrival of Diablo_IV to Steam by March 2022, even the game was not yet in Battle/net.I also predicted years ago that Microsoft would be buying Blizzard. I have many others too but they are mostly political ones so i skip them writing in here.

And? Are you claiming divine inspiration? Did you have inside information? Where you stating the obvious, after all MS buying Activision wasn't a secret last year, so banking that would happen and "predicting" MS would bring Activision products to platforms MS already supports isn't exactly rocket surgery.

Past "predictions" that aren't really, don't really make future predictions about unrelated things more accurate. You might feel like you're really good guesser. I feel like you're really good at leaning on confirmation bias.

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I can share my expectations here in Steam Discussions as long as they are within Forum rules. Have a problem with that?

As years gone by, i learnt how to deal with naysayers. I am not here to make you believe nor trust on my expectations. If you don't like to read my posts, feel free to block me anytime. I will be honored. :WoTB_shell:

We're discussing your crappy prediction, and you seem to have a problem with that. Kinda seems like you don't like being challenged and you're not really willy to address the obvious problems with your claim. Seems like how you've learned to deal with naysayers is deflect, dismiss, deny.

Well, overvaluing Turkey and Argentina is not a hard subject to address. And it's why your prediction is crappy and you won't be standing by it this time next year. If you're real stubborn you'll move the goal posts, that's my best case prediction. "Well a year may not have been enough time to see the effects, but by the end of 2025...." :KentWinning:
☎need4naiim☎ 28 OCT 2023 a las 10:27 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
And? Are you claiming divine inspiration? Did you have inside information? Where you stating the obvious, after all MS buying Activision wasn't a secret last year, so banking that would happen and "predicting" MS would bring Activision products to platforms MS already supports isn't exactly rocket surgery.

Past "predictions" that aren't really, don't really make future predictions about unrelated things more accurate. You might feel like you're really good guesser. I feel like you're really good at leaning on confirmation bias.

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I can share my expectations here in Steam Discussions as long as they are within Forum rules. Have a problem with that?

As years gone by, i learnt how to deal with naysayers. I am not here to make you believe nor trust on my expectations. If you don't like to read my posts, feel free to block me anytime. I will be honored. :WoTB_shell:

We're discussing your crappy prediction, and you seem to have a problem with that. Kinda seems like you don't like being challenged and you're not really willy to address the obvious problems with your claim. Seems like how you've learned to deal with naysayers is deflect, dismiss, deny.

Well, overvaluing Turkey and Argentina is not a hard subject to address. And it's why your prediction is crappy and you won't be standing by it this time next year. If you're real stubborn you'll move the goal posts, that's my best case prediction. "Well a year may not have been enough time to see the effects, but by the end of 2025...." :KentWinning:
"Kinda seems like you don't like being challenged"....

You challenge what actually?

Did i bet on something?

I am not the first one in Steam Discussion forums writing own expectations for the future. Am i?

Yeah, as you say, it was "obvious" before pandemics that Microsoft would be buying Activision. *rolling eyes*

or it was "obvious" that Diablo_IV would be here when it was not even released back in March 2022. (i have the posts from that time which i showed my old posts in a recent Diablo 4 thread about my vindication)

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I wrote about this thing back in March 2022, in the realms of Steam, when Diablo 4 was not even released back then. I knew D4 would be here. I am vindicated once more. I quoted my old post in this matter:

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
@shrewdlogarithm: At least we have Diablo 4 coming, and Rhykker's videos are very informative about what is expected to come. Since Microsoft is their parent company now, we will likely get D4 here in Steam as we got other Microsoft games like FH4 and FH5 already in Store.

Thread link is in below:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/899770/eventcomments/3181237058689474529/

:ms_shadow:
See?
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
And? Are you claiming divine inspiration? Did you have inside information? Where you stating the obvious, after all MS buying Activision wasn't a secret last year
Where did i say i have "inside knowledge"? I wrote "i expect that....". And you became rattled. What should i do from now on? Am i not allowed to write my expectations in Steam Discussions if they are within the Forum Rules?

If you become so angry at my "crappy posts" as you informed us above, then i recommend you to block me so that you won't see my posts. If you don't block and continue to attack, then i will reply until i give my last breath. :rambo_face:
Última edición por ☎need4naiim☎; 29 OCT 2023 a las 5:57 a. m.
nullable 29 OCT 2023 a las 10:06 a. m. 
Just FYI March 25th 2022 is not pre-pandemic. Also it's two months after MS announced their intentions to buy Activision. So as long as the regulators didn't prevent the purchase, the idea that MS owned Activision games would be appearing on platforms and launchers they already sell all the rest of their games on is pretty obvious. Pretending otherwise is just weird, and sad. I guess the question is why is it not obvious to you were you think there's some kinda of wiggle room to haggle over?

Regardless, it has nothing to do with your overvaluation of the ARS and TRY. Say, you don't have any math that shows how significant the ARS and TRY are to Steam do you? That could really help prove your point. Although be forewarned, math isn't obligated to uphold your biases, tread carefully.
Última edición por nullable; 29 OCT 2023 a las 10:07 a. m.
☎need4naiim☎ 29 OCT 2023 a las 10:45 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
Regardless, it has nothing to do with your overvaluation of the ARS and TRY. Say, you don't have any math that shows how significant the ARS and TRY are to Steam do you? That could really help prove your point. Although be forewarned, math isn't obligated to uphold your biases, tread carefully.
I didn't overvalue Argentinian Peso nor Turkish Lira. Don't try to dress my post into a different shape.

Significance DOESN'T rely on those currencies. That's why EGS has been giving away myriad of games in their portal. How much money EGS won by giving so many free games? Is EpicGames a Foundation or a business? The best way to profit from trading doesn't rely on money, but gaining customers, and their trust. Money can come shiploads later on, Epic knows that, Amazon knows that, Disney knows that.

Steam has more than 2.8Million users from Turkey only (it is the 7th highest country on user total), which is above the likes of UK, France, Australia, Japan and India. Add Argentina too which is at 1.3 million. It has potential to start a chain reaction, a domino effect in a few years (when gamers slowly deplete their backlog of games in Steam libraries). Money follows customers and trust. If Valve hadn't had a stiff competition against the likes of many other Storefronts, then my above post wouldn't have existed. But they exist, competition is hardcore and i stand by my early expectation. :skull_happy:
Yzal 29 OCT 2023 a las 10:55 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Beto:
Yeah, keep defending your beloved Steam, when the price start to increase in your region then you will open your eyes!!
The price increases because your currency is not worth ♥♥♥♥, and keeps getting worse everyday. To think otherwise is fantasy.
nullable 29 OCT 2023 a las 11:12 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
Regardless, it has nothing to do with your overvaluation of the ARS and TRY. Say, you don't have any math that shows how significant the ARS and TRY are to Steam do you? That could really help prove your point. Although be forewarned, math isn't obligated to uphold your biases, tread carefully.
I didn't overvalue Argentinian Peso nor Turkish Lira. Don't try to dress my post into a different shape.

If you think not using those worthless currencies will hurt Valve, you over value them.

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
Significance DOESN'T rely on those currencies. That's why EGS has been giving away myriad of games in their portal. How much money EGS won by giving so many free games? Is EpicGames a Foundation or a business? The best way to profit from trading doesn't rely on money, but gaining customers, and their trust. Money can come shiploads later on, Epic knows that, Amazon knows that, Disney knows that.

Epic is free to run their business however they want. Epic has done a lot with EGS to gain customers, they haven't made too much profit from it though. The EGS has lost money for the last 6 years as far as I know, are they slated to make record profit this year? Might not be the example you think it is at any rate.

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
Steam has more than 2.8Million users from Turkey only (it is the 7th highest country on user total), which is above the likes of UK, France, Australia, Japan and India. Add Argentina too which is at 1.3 million.

So 4.1 million low value users who want to keep using their nearly worthless currencies. And whose percentage of revenue is much lower than the size of their user base. You're very concerned about the size of your demographic, and you say you're not overvaluing the TRY and the ARS but at the same time you seem to think those users who are spending the TRY and ARS are extremely valuable while their currency is not. And while they're paying a fraction of U.S. or EU prices.

Are you saying you can't perceive how the math doesn't add up?

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
It has potential to start a chain reaction, a domino effect in a few years (when gamers slowly deplete their backlog of games in Steam libraries). Money follows customers and trust. If Valve hadn't had a stiff competition against the likes of many other Storefronts, then my above post wouldn't have existed. But they exist, competition is hardcore and i stand by my early expectation. :skull_happy:

Ah yes, the imagined potential. Well let's talk when 4.1 million users eventually run out of games to play and migrate to other stores to throw their pennies at them. Of course you assume anything Valve does, no one else will do. Other stores haven't restricted ARS or TRY yet, so they never will, that's how that works right?

What if next year instead of Valve learning a hard lesson from their "mistake" what if other stores follow suit? How many stores are going to be making mistakes and learning lessons before you learn that maybe the size of your demographic only matters if there's value there. And there might not be much value to a group of customers who are only willing to pay pennies on the dollar for games, and only use their nearly worthless currency that's still losing value?

Competition is hardcore, by they might not be so desperate that trying to eat Valve's lunch by stealing all their paupers is the concern you think it is.
Última edición por nullable; 29 OCT 2023 a las 11:13 a. m.
☎need4naiim☎ 29 OCT 2023 a las 11:30 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por nullable:
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I didn't overvalue Argentinian Peso nor Turkish Lira. Don't try to dress my post into a different shape.

If you think not using those worthless currencies will hurt Valve, you over value them.

Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
Steam has more than 2.8Million users from Turkey only (it is the 7th highest country on user total), which is above the likes of UK, France, Australia, Japan and India. Add Argentina too which is at 1.3 million.

So 4.1 million low value users who want to keep using their nearly worthless currencies.
Again, you try to dress up my above post into the shape you want and talk from that point. I am not biting that bait. And won't.

When did i say "Valve should keep nearly worthless currencies"? or "we want to keep our currencies in Steam"? Get rid of those horse-blinkers.

You couldn't even comprehend what i wrote in my first post here or you just didn't read it once you saw a number there; 2024.

Don't mix me with other users who want to keep current situation. I am also NOT supporting Valve ever so blindly with platonic love.

I am being realistic and my expectations based on the experiences learnt in EarthRealm. I do support both Valve and Gamers in those countries who work for very low income in US dollars.

Also, i stand by my initial expectation.
Yujah 29 OCT 2023 a las 11:34 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I am not biting that bait.
I hate to break it to you, but yes, yes you are. You very much are :-)
Milkcrown 29 OCT 2023 a las 11:37 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por HikariLight:
I doubt this was a last minute choice.
This was probably in the works for months now.
The Turkish Lira is worth less than 4¢ of the US currency, game developers are tired of getting paid in worthless money.

And what do you know? You are not a developer. You don't know the struggle of people living here.

Devs are probably getting enough money from their sales in other countries. Steam could always lower their tax prices on the developers, and not by making low currency countries suffer. By putting such a drastic change in effect they are screwing more than 50% of the population who enjoy buying games on here. Turkish lira might be worthless, but personally I won't be even able to afford a 10 dollar game because the price will be ridiculous and NOT WORTH its value in TL, due to currency difference. Besides, newly published games were already very very expensive. So I had to wait for a sale.

Thank you steam. (sarcastic) People will just pirate their games. So there are no winners here.
Drab 29 OCT 2023 a las 4:22 p. m. 
Now that some of the usual suspects have destroyed the thread; isn't the OP actually from Brazil anyway?
rawWwRrr 29 OCT 2023 a las 5:08 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Drab:
Now that some of the usual suspects have destroyed the thread; isn't the OP actually from Brazil anyway?
And that changes what?
Dr. Death 29 OCT 2023 a las 7:15 p. m. 
Im argentinean and i dont like it any more than you do, but Hikari in the very first response is spot on. This VERY LIKELY was a thing being talked about for years, the recent jump after the elections was the final nail in the coffin.

While NO ONE expected this to happen, and i would have LOVED for steam to say "Yeah, ok, you have at least until thanksgiving/christmas/new years, a final discount season" its easy to understand where are they coming from.

Instead i would like to not be taxed 101.88% for every purchase i make on steam, that's what truly kills buying games for me, but that's on the government.

We cant also ignore the fact that on the bright side this means other "forgotten" countries in the world wont have to deal with US prices anymore when their economic situation isn't much better either.
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