Getting Triggered over Talk of Trolling an Trolls on Steam Forum

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Steam needs to really update its policies on this, some users continue to go around calling everyone a troll and its super annoying and turns the forum into a battle ground of argument. it needs to stop, calling a user a troll or even suggestion they are trolling is just an other form of Name & shame, it just needs to stop.

Its bullying and we don't accept bullying in society any more, we should no longer accept it on steam forums.

People need to be able to have discussion without being accused of anything.


Updated with reflection

there is no truth revealed when you lie about people, its very disgusting to see steam users attack each other, what is even more disgusting is it is high level steam users.

i think its obvious how high level steam users won't leave low level users alone to their opinions, its turned into a attack at every turn, they try to discredit users who disagree with them.

What is a real shock is how steam seems afraid to stop these bad actors and allow them to continue to attack an ridicule other steam users.

as steam users we aren't asking for miracles, just that the double sided and negative comments directed at everyone who isn't them, Stops.

steam could easily clean up this mess by taking action against the attacks, being a real company for once that protects all of its users.

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Everyone is Invited a écrit :

"pics or it didn't happen" can be compared to "what happens on steam stays on steam"

No that's two different concepts. Basically. You make a claim, or assertion people will likely demand proof, or evidence as to its truth. This of course is determined by the assertion or the claim. If someone claims they stubbed their toe, or that someone else stubbed their toe that's not worth asking proof for in many cases. People stub their toes all the time.

BUt if you say you backfliupped out of a 3 story window and did a perfect landing without hurting yourself... yeah then people are gonna wanna see some evidence.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

users wanting pics is just another form of shaming which if you watched anything on the internet you will see there is a whole level of shaming that uses pictures, today in the digital work pictures can get you in more trouble then anything, taking unauthorized pictures is just a attempt to defamation and likely to create a legal issue within itself

The only people shamed by a request for citation are those who do not and cannot provide the cittation.or evidence. And they are rightfyully so since to make bold assertions without credible evidence is no different than lying.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

what i would be more concerned about is the links to steam that exist , if anyone is really connected to steam beyond just being a user they need to cease using the forum and desist from any type of interaction, as it will only implicate steam deeper into the manipulation lawsuits raised by developers.

[Citation Needed]

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

if you own any game on steam it means there is some type of payment history and payment information linked to steam so they have real user data and that data can be warranted by the legal system to provide proof, its even possibly that users could enact a lawsuit against steam against the users that use steam because of its inability or its allowance of dangerous typical insulting and defamation.

Have yoyu ever looked into the process of getting a subpoena?
Clearly you haven't. But yeah if there is a valid legal subpoena Valve is required to provide the information. Just like the ISP you use to connect to the internet. Just like the bank. So I duinno where you're going with this paranoia-bait.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

while it would be extreme, someone who owns 1000's of games on steam would be more liable then someone who owns zero, simply because there is proof of expensive and money changed hands,

And all that there would be proof of is that.. the person purchased or otherwise added the game tio their account? And you don't need a subpoena to figure that out.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

it could also be considered a form of bribery because steam is receiving money from a individual and allowing them to attack other users, such as the case with steam users who own 1000's of games yet continually attack steam users who don't.

Since when has the amount of money spent on an account had ny impact on Steam's enforcement of the rules?
An account with a spend history of $00's is no less likely to get ban clapped than an account with $10. We've seen that already. So again. What ware you basing any of that on beyond what the wrinkly ape meat in your skull is telling you.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

Start_Running a écrit :

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

"pics or it didn't happen" can be compared to "what happens on steam stays on steam"

No that's two different concepts. Basically. You make a claim, or assertion people will likely demand proof, or evidence as to its truth. This of course is determined by the assertion or the claim. If someone claims they stubbed their toe, or that someone else stubbed their toe that's not worth asking proof for in many cases. People stub their toes all the time.

BUt if you say you backfliupped out of a 3 story window and did a perfect landing without hurting yourself... yeah then people are gonna wanna see some evidence.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

users wanting pics is just another form of shaming which if you watched anything on the internet you will see there is a whole level of shaming that uses pictures, today in the digital work pictures can get you in more trouble then anything, taking unauthorized pictures is just a attempt to defamation and likely to create a legal issue within itself

The only people shamed by a request for citation are those who do not and cannot provide the cittation.or evidence. And they are rightfyully so since to make bold assertions without credible evidence is no different than lying.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

what i would be more concerned about is the links to steam that exist , if anyone is really connected to steam beyond just being a user they need to cease using the forum and desist from any type of interaction, as it will only implicate steam deeper into the manipulation lawsuits raised by developers.

[Citation Needed]

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

if you own any game on steam it means there is some type of payment history and payment information linked to steam so they have real user data and that data can be warranted by the legal system to provide proof, its even possibly that users could enact a lawsuit against steam against the users that use steam because of its inability or its allowance of dangerous typical insulting and defamation.

Have yoyu ever looked into the process of getting a subpoena?
Clearly you haven't. But yeah if there is a valid legal subpoena Valve is required to provide the information. Just like the ISP you use to connect to the internet. Just like the bank. So I duinno where you're going with this paranoia-bait.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

while it would be extreme, someone who owns 1000's of games on steam would be more liable then someone who owns zero, simply because there is proof of expensive and money changed hands,

And all that there would be proof of is that.. the person purchased or otherwise added the game tio their account? And you don't need a subpoena to figure that out.

Everyone is Invited a écrit :

it could also be considered a form of bribery because steam is receiving money from a individual and allowing them to attack other users, such as the case with steam users who own 1000's of games yet continually attack steam users who don't.

Since when has the amount of money spent on an account had ny impact on Steam's enforcement of the rules?
An account with a spend history of $00's is no less likely to get ban clapped than an account with $10. We've seen that already. So again. What ware you basing any of that on beyond what the wrinkly ape meat in your skull is telling you.

but brian wants all posts to be factual, so you wouldn't be able to say you stubbed your toe without providing proof of it even if the rest of all the steam users think its unecessary they would still have to, and they would have to proove with ID that the picture of a stubbed toe belongs to them.

You also say a lot of things that sources are needed or else its just a lie, but you haven't given any proof/evidence/source or anything like that in any of your posts.

[Brian9824]

RFK FTW a écrit :

but brian wants all posts to be factual, so you wouldn't be able to say you stubbed your toe without providing proof of it even if the rest of all the steam users think its unecessary they would still have to, and they would have to proove with ID that the picture of a stubbed toe belongs to them.

You also say a lot of things that sources are needed or else its just a lie, but you haven't given any proof/evidence/source or anything like that in any of your posts.

You've been given proof repeatedly, such as that the majority of users don't get banned, you can see that in this thread basically no one is banned, you can open any thread and see that most of hte users aren't banned. etc.

If bans were as widespread and as problematic as you claim you'd see it with your own eyes. Your just refusing to accept the evidence because it doesn't fit the narrative you want.

Your claim is unproven, mine can be verified by looking at any thread including this one. Also in the real world proof is required of the claims. Go call your insurance company and say you had some stuff stolen and ask them to pay you for it with no proof. Let us know how that goes.....

[Pierce Dalton]

brian9824 a écrit :

RFK FTW a écrit :

but brian wants all posts to be factual, so you wouldn't be able to say you stubbed your toe without providing proof of it even if the rest of all the steam users think its unecessary they would still have to, and they would have to proove with ID that the picture of a stubbed toe belongs to them.

You also say a lot of things that sources are needed or else its just a lie, but you haven't given any proof/evidence/source or anything like that in any of your posts.

You've been given proof repeatedly, such as that the majority of users don't get banned, you can see that in this thread basically no one is banned, you can open any thread and see that most of hte users aren't banned. etc.

Exactly, you can open any thread and see that most of the users aren't banned... which is curious, because most of the time you can find a ton of combative/argumentative posts written by them.

[Lunduke is the Trump of tech]

brian9824 a écrit :

RFK FTW a écrit :

but brian wants all posts to be factual, so you wouldn't be able to say you stubbed your toe without providing proof of it even if the rest of all the steam users think its unecessary they would still have to, and they would have to proove with ID that the picture of a stubbed toe belongs to them.

You also say a lot of things that sources are needed or else its just a lie, but you haven't given any proof/evidence/source or anything like that in any of your posts.

You've been given proof repeatedly, such as that the majority of users don't get banned, you can see that in this thread basically no one is banned, you can open any thread and see that most of hte users aren't banned. etc.

If bans were as widespread and as problematic as you claim you'd see it with your own eyes. Your just refusing to accept the evidence because it doesn't fit the narrative you want.

Your claim is unproven, mine can be verified by looking at any thread including this one. Also in the real world proof is required of the claims. Go call your insurance company and say you had some stuff stolen and ask them to pay you for it with no proof. Let us know how that goes.....

I wasn't talking to you, my reply was to the person I quoted which isnt you.
What is that about banned people you are talking about? I think you are confused about which topic this is because that belongs to the other topic I made, this is a different topic someone else made and its off topic here. You should post that again in the correct topic so we can discuss it there, not here, then I can reply because I dont want to derail here, its not even relevant to anything I said where you quoted me.

[Brian9824]

RFK FTW a écrit :

I wasn't talking to you, my reply was to the person I quoted which isnt you.

Doesn't matter, I can respond to your post if i wish. Your free to not respond to me if you are unable to refute what I stated.

RFK FTW a écrit :

What is that about banned people you are talking about? I think you are confused about which topic this is because that belongs to the other topic I made, this is a different topic someone else made and its off topic here. You should post that again in the correct topic so we can discuss it there, not here, then I can reply because I dont want to derail here, its not even relevant to anything I said where you quoted me.

it is on topic and related to what is being discussed, again if you feel otherwise feel free to report it. It all comes back to understanding the rules which clearly some people don't....

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RFK FTW a écrit :

but brian wants all posts to be factual, so you wouldn't be able to say you stubbed your toe without providing proof of it even if the rest of all the steam users think its unecessary they would still have to, and they would have to proove with ID that the picture of a stubbed toe belongs to them.

NNo what he's saying is that posts should have some truth statement. No one as I said would be asking for proof of the statement that toe was stubbed unless there was some additional detail that would incur rightful skeptisism. Like that you stubbed your toe while drop kicking a polar bear, in which case the disbelief would be more about the how than the what.

RFK FTW a écrit :

You also say a lot of things that sources are needed or else its just a lie, but you haven't given any proof/evidence/source or anything like that in any of your posts.

What have I said that requires citation?
A statement of opinion needs no citation since the operson stating the opinion is the source of said opinion.Whether or not an opinion correlates to reality is another matter entirely but the statement of an opinion by the person holding said opinion is its own citation.

The OP has a long and documentaed history of shall we say 'bad faith arguments' and its rather telling that those who apparently support them can also be shown to have similar histories of arguments and similar histories of moderation run ins.

This is not a coincidence.
People who like to argue in bad faith will eventually run afoul of the guidelines the more they talk.

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running a écrit :

RFK FTW a écrit :

but brian wants all posts to be factual, so you wouldn't be able to say you stubbed your toe without providing proof of it even if the rest of all the steam users think its unecessary they would still have to, and they would have to proove with ID that the picture of a stubbed toe belongs to them.

NNo what he's saying is that posts should have some truth statement. No one as I said would be asking for proof of the statement that toe was stubbed unless there was some additional detail that would incur rightful skeptisism. Like that you stubbed your toe while drop kicking a polar bear, in which case the disbelief would be more about the how than the what.

RFK FTW a écrit :

You also say a lot of things that sources are needed or else its just a lie, but you haven't given any proof/evidence/source or anything like that in any of your posts.

What have I said that requires citation?
A statement of opinion needs no citation since the operson stating the opinion is the source of said opinion.Whether or not an opinion correlates to reality is another matter entirely but the statement of an opinion by the person holding said opinion is its own citation.

The OP has a long and documentaed history of shall we say 'bad faith arguments' and its rather telling that those who apparently support them can also be shown to have similar histories of arguments and similar histories of moderation run ins.

This is not a coincidence.
People who like to argue in bad faith will eventually run afoul of the guidelines the more they talk.

Interesting observation, how do you know if someone is arguing in bad faith?

[BJWyler]

Pierce Dalton a écrit :

brian9824 a écrit :

You've been given proof repeatedly, such as that the majority of users don't get banned, you can see that in this thread basically no one is banned, you can open any thread and see that most of hte users aren't banned. etc.

Exactly, you can open any thread and see that most of the users aren't banned... which is curious, because most of the time you can find a ton of combative/argumentative posts written by them.

Which only goes to reinforce my feeling that moderation is far too lenient in the Steam forums. If I were in charge all those complaining that there are too many bans would actually have merit to that claim - before I perma them.

[Pierce Dalton]

BJWyler a écrit :

Pierce Dalton a écrit :

Exactly, you can open any thread and see that most of the users aren't banned... which is curious, because most of the time you can find a ton of combative/argumentative posts written by them.

Which only goes to reinforce my feeling that moderation is far too lenient in the Steam forums. If I were in charge all those complaining that there are too many bans would actually have merit to that claim - before I perma them.

Well, I guess moderation will always be far too lenient if it only acts on reports, because a ton of "combative" posts are not reported. That's because most people are not so oversensitive as others, so they set the bar for what deserves to be reported higher.

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Pierce Dalton a écrit :

Start_Running a écrit :

NNo what he's saying is that posts should have some truth statement. No one as I said would be asking for proof of the statement that toe was stubbed unless there was some additional detail that would incur rightful skeptisism. Like that you stubbed your toe while drop kicking a polar bear, in which case the disbelief would be more about the how than the what.


What have I said that requires citation?
A statement of opinion needs no citation since the operson stating the opinion is the source of said opinion.Whether or not an opinion correlates to reality is another matter entirely but the statement of an opinion by the person holding said opinion is its own citation.

The OP has a long and documentaed history of shall we say 'bad faith arguments' and its rather telling that those who apparently support them can also be shown to have similar histories of arguments and similar histories of moderation run ins.

This is not a coincidence.
People who like to argue in bad faith will eventually run afoul of the guidelines the more they talk.

Interesting observation, how do you know if someone is arguing in bad faith?

Many ways.
A big warning flag is tthe repeated use of unfalsifiable assertions and un cited claims.
The flags gain the SIren Addon when such assertions and claims form the core premise of their posts/threads.

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running a écrit :

Pierce Dalton a écrit :

Interesting observation, how do you know if someone is arguing in bad faith?

Many ways.
A big warning flag is tthe repeated use of unfalsifiable assertions and un cited claims.
The flags gain the SIren Addon when such assertions and claims form the core premise of their posts/threads.

Unfalsifiable assertions? Can you provide some example of that in this thread?

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you talking about profile a user because of what past things they said, profiling is really not allowed it is why injustice happens because people don't always follow a pattern, if it was true we could say that forum ridicules follow there own pattern.

Lie, deny , defame, derail over and over again and when someone speaks out against it they get banned.

because of this typical pattern it shows that the forum is prejudice against everyone who isn't controlled by steam, it simply makes the whole steam forum appear to be a shame where users can't speak about what is right or what is truthful but only speak about what steam wants them to.

over all it under mind the intellectual growth of both steam and the forum, users are here to engage in intellectual conversations about games , and how they enjoy steam. being faced with negative attacks with every thread made begins to take its toll on forum users, and as more and more people become abused by a improperly controlled system, the likeliness that system is getting ruined becomes higher and higher.

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Pierce Dalton a écrit :

Start_Running a écrit :

Many ways.
A big warning flag is tthe repeated use of unfalsifiable assertions and un cited claims.
The flags gain the SIren Addon when such assertions and claims form the core premise of their posts/threads.

Unfalsifiable assertions? Can you provide some example of that in this thread?

Funny you should ask:

Pierce Dalton a écrit :

No, the only thing I did was pointing out a fact: a lot of people are here just to oppose suggestions and cause conflict, as their post history proves.

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running a écrit :

Pierce Dalton a écrit :

Unfalsifiable assertions? Can you provide some example of that in this thread?

Funny you should ask:

Pierce Dalton a écrit :

No, the only thing I did was pointing out a fact: a lot of people are here just to oppose suggestions and cause conflict, as their post history proves.

Are you saying that's false?