wotsahl Oct 25, 2023 @ 5:41am
Pricing and Steam Wallets in Turkey will convert to USD starting November 20th
Regarding the conversion of currencies in Steam to the dollar in the Türkiye region

Can I know the calculation method used to convert game prices from Turkish lira to US dollars?
Note that my monthly salary does not exceed $400
If games are valued at the same value as games in America or Europe, for example, it will be impossible for thousands of people in Turkey or in countries facing a decline in their currency against the dollar to buy from Steam.

Imagine with me someone who receives an average salary between 400 and 600 dollars per month
He will be equated with someone who receives an average of $2,200 to $3,500 per month

If we assume that the two people were able to secure 5% of their salary to buy games
In my case it will be 20-30 dollars
In the case of an American or European person, $110-175

There is a big difference and you will lose a large fan base in economically collapsed countries such as
Egypt
Syria
Lebanon
Iraq
Türkiye
Many countries are witnessing a decline in their currency against the dollar

I hope you will reconsider this issue and give appropriate opinions to solve this problem.
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Yujah Oct 25, 2023 @ 5:48am 
Originally posted by wotsahl:
I hope you will reconsider this issue and give appropriate opinions to solve this problem.
If you guys promise to vote differently next time around, we'll look into it.
Brian9824 Oct 25, 2023 @ 5:49am 
Originally posted by wotsahl:
Regarding the conversion of currencies in Steam to the dollar in the Türkiye region

Can I know the calculation method used to convert game prices from Turkish lira to US dollars?
Note that my monthly salary does not exceed $400
If games are valued at the same value as games in America or Europe, for example, it will be impossible for thousands of people in Turkey or in countries facing a decline in their currency against the dollar to buy from Steam.

Imagine with me someone who receives an average salary between 400 and 600 dollars per month
He will be equated with someone who receives an average of $2,200 to $3,500 per month

If we assume that the two people were able to secure 5% of their salary to buy games
In my case it will be 20-30 dollars
In the case of an American or European person, $110-175

There is a big difference and you will lose a large fan base in economically collapsed countries such as
Egypt
Syria
Lebanon
Iraq
Türkiye
Many countries are witnessing a decline in their currency against the dollar

I hope you will reconsider this issue and give appropriate opinions to solve this problem.

There is no calculation method, the dev's set the price, not steam.
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:04am 
Argentina & Turkey has crazy super inflation.

Let me make this simple, with the last 2 years your currency has went down by 65% in Turkey, for Argentina it's worse their currency value fell by almost 71%, that a 2 years.

All I can say is from 2020 things been hitting the fan, and Argentina was clear sign going down hill on it own longer than that.


I can't blame Steam wanting to drop currency that having inflation problems, also fyi these countires don't use turkey lira, so nothing changes for them as they're using USD.
Egypt
Syria
Lebanon
Iraq
Last edited by Dr.Shadowds 🐉; Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:07am
nullable Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:10am 
Originally posted by wotsahl:
Regarding the conversion of currencies in Steam to the dollar in the Türkiye region

Can I know the calculation method used to convert game prices from Turkish lira to US dollars?

You'll be subject to the current exchange rates. You're not the first country that has to convert to USD, what do all those countries have to do? Why would Turkey be treated differently? This isn't some new circumstance. You just need to look at how it works for all the other countries.

Originally posted by wotsahl:
Note that my monthly salary does not exceed $400
If games are valued at the same value as games in America or Europe, for example, it will be impossible for thousands of people in Turkey or in countries facing a decline in their currency against the dollar to buy from Steam.

You'll still be in your own region and publishers will still set the prices. They just won't need to constantly monitor your failing currency. In some cases it may mean your prices will improve. Although that's bound to vary on a game by game basis. But at the end of the day the price is the price and the declining value of your currency has already proven to be a burden to Valve and publishers. Converting the lira to USD puts that burden on the consumer, and that's the way it's gotta be sometimes.

Originally posted by wotsahl:
Imagine with me someone who receives an average salary between 400 and 600 dollars per month
He will be equated with someone who receives an average of $2,200 to $3,500 per month

If we assume that the two people were able to secure 5% of their salary to buy games
In my case it will be 20-30 dollars
In the case of an American or European person, $110-175

Having to use USD as a currency, in a separate region doesn't necessarily mean you'll be paying U.S. prices. That seems to be a common problem for a lot of users. What I mean is a game like Starfield is $69.99 USD, but perhaps in your region it might be $49.99 USD. Even though the prices are both in USD, because they're different regions they don't have to be the same.

Granted your currency is poor and all your arguments to try and frame how you think games should be prices as an equivalent percentage are quaint and all. That's not typically how things are priced. At a certain point you have to pay something tangible for the product. And if your currency is so worthless and your wages are so low that's going to have unfavorable consequences.

Originally posted by wotsahl:
There is a big difference and you will lose a large fan base in economically collapsed countries such as
Egypt
Syria
Lebanon
Iraq
Türkiye
Many countries are witnessing a decline in their currency against the dollar

I hope you will reconsider this issue and give appropriate opinions to solve this problem.

You know Valve may not be making random decisions by spinning their Wheel of Cruelty. I mean who knows, they might have a perfectly clear understanding of the problems and have been trying to manage it for years now and this is just where we end up.

I hope you consider that it's not Valve's job to conceal the effects of your failing economy from you. It's not the gaming industry's job either.
Faibulmon Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:18am 
Just to give some context regarding argentine:

We are CHARGED %100 tax of any foreigner currency transaction, there are so many ways the goverment control the USD that foreigners have no idea.

When you google "1 USD value in ars" it will say 368 ARS but that value isn't really what we pay we have to pay taxes so we are actually paying 854 ars (it's always double).
A mid-class income is only 210usd, so paying 60usd for a game it's just stupid (and it will probably be more, because of taxes).

With that being said, i'm done with steam after Nov 20th, it sucks cuz i can hardly afford going out and playing online with friends has always been like a great option for me and my friends.
System Of A Down Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:20am 
Originally posted by Yujah:
Originally posted by wotsahl:
I hope you will reconsider this issue and give appropriate opinions to solve this problem.
If you guys promise to vote differently next time around, we'll look into it.
most explanatory comment
if a country has a unstable inflation it will damage the platform if it supports that currency
there is no point of return now thanks to the %52 of the population on Turkey
i live in Turkey too but i support this move Valve already gave us a lot of time to buy the games we love for very cheap prices
HikariLight Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:20am 
Originally posted by Faibulmon:
Just to give some context regarding argentine:

We are CHARGED %100 tax of any foreigner currency transaction, there are so many ways the goverment control the USD that foreigners have no idea.

When you google "1 USD value in ars" it will say 368 ARS but that value isn't really what we pay we have to pay taxes so we are actually paying 854 ars (it's always double).
A mid-class income is only 210usd, so paying 60usd for a game it's just stupid (and it will probably be more, because of taxes).

With that being said, i'm done with steam after Nov 20th, it sucks cuz i can hardly afford going out and playing online with friends has always been like a great option for me and my friends.
Gaming is an expensive hobby.
If you choose to put gaming before your more important bills, then you need to reevaluate your priorities.
Gaming is a luxury, not a right.
AmsterdamHeavy Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:29am 
Originally posted by Faibulmon:
Just to give some context regarding argentine:

We are CHARGED %100 tax of any foreigner currency transaction, there are so many ways the goverment control the USD that foreigners have no idea.

When you google "1 USD value in ars" it will say 368 ARS but that value isn't really what we pay we have to pay taxes so we are actually paying 854 ars (it's always double).
A mid-class income is only 210usd, so paying 60usd for a game it's just stupid (and it will probably be more, because of taxes).

With that being said, i'm done with steam after Nov 20th, it sucks cuz i can hardly afford going out and playing online with friends has always been like a great option for me and my friends.

Taxes are YOUR problem.
nullable Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:44am 
Originally posted by Faibulmon:
Just to give some context regarding argentine:

We are CHARGED %100 tax of any foreigner currency transaction, there are so many ways the goverment control the USD that foreigners have no idea.

Your taxes aren't the concerns of foreign businesses. And it doesn't negate the state of your currency. It's no one's job to conceal the lost value of your currency or taxes from you.

Originally posted by Faibulmon:
When you google "1 USD value in ars" it will say 368 ARS but that value isn't really what we pay we have to pay taxes so we are actually paying 854 ars (it's always double).
A mid-class income is only 210usd, so paying 60usd for a game it's just stupid (and it will probably be more, because of taxes).

With that being said, i'm done with steam after Nov 20th, it sucks cuz i can hardly afford going out and playing online with friends has always been like a great option for me and my friends.

And? Your currency is is pretty bad, Valve would prefer for it to be better. But since it's not, they have to consider their own interests too, and interests of their other customers (developers/publishers). If the end result is you can't afford games, that may not be something Valve can address. None of this is their fault, all they can do is react to the current reality.
Last edited by nullable; Oct 25, 2023 @ 6:44am
Beto Oct 25, 2023 @ 9:25am 
SteamDb managed to give us more clear information:

https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-turkey-argentina-usd/

In the link we can see the new suggested prices, will be an price increase of around 60% for all games guaranteed, but will be way worse since a lot of developers doesn't update the price, so then we will be charged in the full USD value of the game.
Brian9824 Oct 25, 2023 @ 9:29am 
Originally posted by Beto:
SteamDb managed to give us more clear information:

https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-turkey-argentina-usd/

In the link we can see the new suggested prices, will be an price increase of around 60% for all games guaranteed, but will be way worse since a lot of developers doesn't update the price, so then we will be charged in the full USD value of the game.

Not at all, you didn't read your own link

Game prices won't change unless game developers and publishers manually submit and publish new prices. However, if developers do not enter prices for these new regions, those regions will show default USD pricing until they add prices in the LATAM-USD and MENA-USD fields.
Its just taking the exchange rate of whatever it is in LIRA for instance on the day of change and converting it to USD instead.

They are NOT changing any of hte prices unless the dev's MANUALLY change them, they are just converting how the pricing is displayed from 1 currency to another more stable currency.
cSg|mc-Hotsauce Oct 25, 2023 @ 9:30am 
Originally posted by Beto:
SteamDb managed to give us more clear information:

https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-turkey-argentina-usd/

In the link we can see the new suggested prices, will be an price increase of around 60% for all games guaranteed, but will be way worse since a lot of developers doesn't update the price, so then we will be charged in the full USD value of the game.

It seems the suggested % increase is greater the lower the price and gradually decreases (%) as the suggested prices go up.

:summercat2023:
DeaD Oct 26, 2023 @ 8:37am 
steam 2 bad decision

1- let dev choice price
2- Convert this currencies to USD

really ? i must 1 game for 200$ and my salary is 200$ ?
lol wtf

i think after this change i never buy anything from steam and slowly swap steam with something else
Last edited by DeaD; Oct 26, 2023 @ 8:44am
Yujah Oct 26, 2023 @ 8:41am 
Originally posted by DeaD:
really ? i must 1 game for 200$ and my salary is 200$ ?
No, once again, the mere fact that you will be shown prices in USD does not mean you will be charged US prices. These will be the suggested prices in MENA-USD and LATAM-USD as compared to US USD prices: https://steamdb.info/blog/steam-turkey-argentina-usd/
Last edited by Yujah; Oct 26, 2023 @ 8:42am
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 Oct 26, 2023 @ 9:02am 
Originally posted by DeaD:
steam 2 bad decision

1- let dev choice price
2- Convert this currencies to USD

really ? i must 1 game for 200$ and my salary is 200$ ?
lol wtf

i think after this change i never buy anything from steam and slowly swap steam with something else
1. It always been up to the dev choice on price for their games. Just like how it always up to the consumer choice when they would buy something they want either at full price, or on sale.

2. They're dropping native currency, so just paying in USD instead. Example if game is TL1600 that equivalent to $60 USD, then game just gonna display as $60 USD to you that it. Doesn't stop you from buying, it just means you're converting your money to USD via your bank before reaches Steam.
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