Should Valve promote Steam OS more?

[Tic-toc26]

This might seem like a stupid question but this is what I'm thinking: they put all this work into Steam OS primarily for the Steam Deck. That's nice and all but what if in the future they had support for the operating System it self.

Why? The rumors going around is that Windows 12 will have subscription plans. Details aren't clear if its optional or not and who for. But there is possibility that would make Windows the only mainstream OS to charge the end user if that is what happens. Mac and most of Linus doesn't.

So what could Valve do to capitalize on this? 4 things, 2 of wish are harder cause they'll need help from other people.

1. Have a Walk-though on how to setup Steam OS on your own system.
   
2. Make Steam OS as user friendly as possible: there is always room for improvement here
   
3. Hardware support all of it, the more the better: if someone is to setup steam OS there should be as few issues as possible
   
4. Developer support: this might show up by itself if the first to are as good as they can be.

and if Valve ever wants to advertise the OS itself: I think it would be important to distinguish it is "for the enthusiast". The idea being: if you need windows for work or school, they most likely doesn't need a 7080Ti where as Counter Strike 2 dose. In simple terms:

• Windows: work expense Laptop (if you only need windows for work then why shouldn't it be?)
  
• Steam OS: Desktop Enthusiast (only a Desktop would have the hardware to to the heavy lifting)

Even if this windows subscription rumor isn't true, it would still be beneficial to work toward this anyway. These are only improvements to Steam OS.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

They haven't even released the SteamOS 3. They will when it's ready.

And it's still not ready.

[Captain Chirac]

Dude, they can't even make a simple program without relying on Google technology anymore, how are they supposed to build a solid Linux distro? Valve's talent is long gone.

[Tic-toc26]

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

They haven't even released the SteamOS 3. They will when it's ready.

And it's still not ready.

:summercat2023:

This is not a 'now' thing, this is things to consider or stuff to get ready for latter.
If windows announces a subscription plan, and they have most of this taken care of. I can only see that as a knockout punch.
Personally windows has been gotten worse as time goes on, I hope something better shows up.

Messaggio originale di Captain Chirac:

Dude, they can't even make a simple program without relying on Google technology anymore, how are they supposed to build a solid Linux distro? Valve's talent is long gone.

I would say just make your own web browser, but dose anyone really truly use Microsoft Edge?
although I do agree, but even least letting use pick something else would be a upside.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Messaggio originale di Tic-toc26:

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

They haven't even released the SteamOS 3. They will when it's ready.

And it's still not ready.

This is not a 'now' thing, this is things to consider or stuff to get ready for latter.
If windows announces a subscription plan, and they have most of this taken care of. I can only see that as a knockout punch.
Personally windows has been gotten worse as time goes on, I hope something better shows up.

Valve already knows what they're going to do with SteamOS 3. Valve won't make a knockout punch against Windows.

[Crashed]

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

They haven't even released the SteamOS 3. They will when it's ready.

And it's still not ready.

:summercat2023:

Perhaps all they have to do at this point, going by the experiences with HoloISO developers, is to add NVIDIA an Intel support.

HoloISO is an unofficial build of SteamOS3 which according to their GitHub does currently work well as long as you have an AMD GPU.

Also, let's remember, the rumors are just that, and said subscription plans may be specific to (a) online services like Copilot or OneDrive, or (b) enterprise subscription licenses.

[Tic-toc26]

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Valve already knows what they're going to do with SteamOS 3. Valve won't make a knockout punch against Windows.

:summercat2023:

ok, so I didn't hear about SteamOS 3, where can I see what is happening with it.

[Haruspex]

Valve will promote SteamOS when SteamOS is ready. Right now it's strictly a Steam Deck thing.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Messaggio originale di Haruspex:

Valve will promote SteamOS when SteamOS is ready. Right now it's strictly a Steam Deck thing.

And definitely not ready for prime time use.

Messaggio originale di Tic-toc26:

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Valve already knows what they're going to do with SteamOS 3. Valve won't make a knockout punch against Windows.

ok, so I didn't hear about SteamOS 3, where can I see what is happening with it.

Right now, everything is strictly Deck related in the Deck forum.

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Messaggio originale di Captain Chirac:

Dude, they can't even make a simple program without relying on Google technology anymore, how are they supposed to build a solid Linux distro? Valve's talent is long gone.

Yeah, makes you wonder why some people bother to stick around on the forums when they clearly aren't satisfied with steam. Low standards i suppose.

[76561199559798421]

Steam Os is pointless, we do not need a OS to sell us steam games locked on a steam platform.

The only Think that Steam os would benefit is steam, and Steam doesn't promote anything good For Gamer, just a Money sink hole of worthless games that are over priced and don't run right with steams bloated Malware.

steams always a few steps behind, example, they dumped millions into valve index even though it didn't go anywhere and Vr is really bad still.

steam also dumped millions into steam deck which also is not going anywhere and is really bad. nobody needs a hand held desktop pc that you have to dock to do most normal stuff with.

steam also can't sell us games any more because we can get those same games for free else where.

all in all i think steams outta gimmicks they are just venting anger and frustration out on steam users now that show examples of how deceiving steam actually is.

Once upon a time steam was actually good, then Pc games got better and Valve and steam got left in the dust. currently even as a game store front, steam struggles to impress me.

Csgo 2 is also non impressive, already it is over Ran with cheating and the game itself is buggy and broken.

[[N]ebsun]

Messaggio originale di Tic-toc26:

Messaggio originale di cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Valve already knows what they're going to do with SteamOS 3. Valve won't make a knockout punch against Windows.

:summercat2023:

ok, so I didn't hear about SteamOS 3, where can I see what is happening with it.

They can't count to 3 - if they release SteamOS 3, it will be a first.

CS2
HL2
L4D2
Portal2
TF2

and so on..

[Tic-toc26]

Messaggio originale di SuperGamer:

Steam Os is pointless, we do not need a OS to sell us steam games locked on a steam platform.

The only Think that Steam os would benefit is steam, and Steam doesn't promote anything good For Gamer, just a Money sink hole of worthless games that are over priced and don't run right with steams bloated Malware.

steams always a few steps behind, example, they dumped millions into valve index even though it didn't go anywhere and Vr is really bad still.

steam also dumped millions into steam deck which also is not going anywhere and is really bad. nobody needs a hand held desktop pc that you have to dock to do most normal stuff with.

steam also can't sell us games any more because we can get those same games for free else where.

all in all i think steams outta gimmicks they are just venting anger and frustration out on steam users now that show examples of how deceiving steam actually is.

Once upon a time steam was actually good, then Pc games got better and Valve and steam got left in the dust. currently even as a game store front, steam struggles to impress me.

Csgo 2 is also non impressive, already it is over Ran with cheating and the game itself is buggy and broken.

Steam OS is actually Linux in case you didn't know. Valve dose not own Linux, I don't think anyone dose. Valve knows this, and would probably know it would be stupid trying to make a locked down version of Linux. So it can be safe to asume that this would just be a verson of Linus thats good at running most any game, even non-steam games. People have ran Fall Guys from the Epic Game Launcher (didn't even know EGL was on linux) and ran it fine on the Steam Deck.

As for the Steam Deck it-self, understandably its not for everyone, but if your outside your house often, its incredible. Even so if you compare it to Xbox and Playstation its great there to. You can play a large part of the library of PC games on something at about the same price as the others. I don't know where you heard about this requirement with the dock, but that is not true what so ever. Who ever told you that must have lied to you.

For VR and free games, not much to say. Index is the only VR hardware that I know of that makes it possible to use 'all your fingers' in VR. Free games are everywhere even on steam, there is a group on steam call 'hookups' and they always let people know when they find something for free.


Lets move on from Valve as a business and get back to the topic.

[Crashed]

Messaggio originale di Tic-toc26:

Messaggio originale di SuperGamer:

Steam Os is pointless, we do not need a OS to sell us steam games locked on a steam platform.

The only Think that Steam os would benefit is steam, and Steam doesn't promote anything good For Gamer, just a Money sink hole of worthless games that are over priced and don't run right with steams bloated Malware.

steams always a few steps behind, example, they dumped millions into valve index even though it didn't go anywhere and Vr is really bad still.

steam also dumped millions into steam deck which also is not going anywhere and is really bad. nobody needs a hand held desktop pc that you have to dock to do most normal stuff with.

steam also can't sell us games any more because we can get those same games for free else where.

all in all i think steams outta gimmicks they are just venting anger and frustration out on steam users now that show examples of how deceiving steam actually is.

Once upon a time steam was actually good, then Pc games got better and Valve and steam got left in the dust. currently even as a game store front, steam struggles to impress me.

Csgo 2 is also non impressive, already it is over Ran with cheating and the game itself is buggy and broken.

Steam OS is actually Linux in case you didn't know. Valve dose not own Linux, I don't think anyone dose. Valve knows this, and would probably know it would be stupid trying to make a locked down version of Linux. So it can be safe to asume that this would just be a verson of Linus thats good at running most any game, even non-steam games. People have ran Fall Guys from the Epic Game Launcher (didn't even know EGL was on linux) and ran it fine on the Steam Deck.

As for the Steam Deck it-self, understandably its not for everyone, but if your outside your house often, its incredible. Even so if you compare it to Xbox and Playstation its great there to. You can play a large part of the library of PC games on something at about the same price as the others. I don't know where you heard about this requirement with the dock, but that is not true what so ever. Who ever told you that must have lied to you.

For VR and free games, not much to say. Index is the only VR hardware that I know of that makes it possible to use 'all your fingers' in VR. Free games are everywhere even on steam, there is a group on steam call 'hookups' and they always let people know when they find something for free.


Lets move on from Valve as a business and get back to the topic.

Every component of a Linux distribution does in fact have an owner. The distributions themselves are in fact works of their own too.

[lsdninja]

Messaggio originale di Nebsun:

They can't count to 3 - if they release SteamOS 3, it will be a first.

CS2
HL2
L4D2
Portal2
TF2

and so on..

You reckon GabeN had an anxiety attack when his net worth exceeded $3 billion until it hit 4 billion?

[nullable]

Messaggio originale di Captain Chirac:

Dude, they can't even make a simple program without relying on Google technology anymore, how are they supposed to build a solid Linux distro? Valve's talent is long gone.

Writing all your own code from scratch isn't the big brain move you seem to think it is. In most cases it's a waste of time and your code won't be better than existing solutions. And you probably don't have the time or resources to compete with a dedicated project with years of development and experience behind it.

I mean why isn't every business that's using an embedded browser not just writing their own? Because it's an expensive, difficult waste of time? Or all the good developers died in the Y2K wars?