Notifications about Deleted posts

[Shinoskay]

So, after some extended conversation I understand how a majority of deleted posts tend to be (like 7 or 8 out of ten of them) replies to a deleted post.

So, its a good thing that deleted posts do not usually lead to any kind of penalty.

thats fine.

However, in this thread - https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3874841497812989559/?tscn=1696099765 -

it is demonstrated that posts being 'silently' deleted without any notification can lead to further conflicts and confusion.

a number of people even expressed that there had been times they posted something, it was deleted by a mod because it replied to another deleted post, and they went to repost it because they didnt understand why it wasnt there,

This could not only perpetuate what warranted deletion initially but also could potentially lead to that reposter unfairly receiving punishment for potentially circumventing administrative action.... whether that was their intent or not.

I think that overall it is better for the users, AND for steam, if there is some kind of notification when a post is deleted.

As a note, there was a general agreement that even a generic or universal 'your post was deleted' notification would be sufficient. It would allow the user to corrolate timing with potential confusions to allow them to at least guess that the post deletion was the post they no longer see.

it would be IDEAL if these notices came with some kind of explanation. Further automation could easily accomplish this with 'your post was deleted as part of cleaning up administrations with another user' if the post was deleted alongside a few others because someone got banned or something.

but ultimately, just ANY kind of notification would be good.

[Mad Scientist]

We had two recent threads of this suggestion.
Anyway,

引用自 Tito Shivan：

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There, you have it.

The gist is, if they had to remove it, either it was in violation of the rules or was in response to something in violation of the rules. Users don't need to be notified about every little tiny thing moderation does. Most of the people with deleted posts lately tend to cause trouble or are replying to such individuals, so I see no issue with having no notifications for basic moderation.

Else, if people want notifications for such, instead of courtesies they could just get warnings & bans instead.

[Tito Shivan]

No way EVERY deleted post can get a handwritten and detailed explanation of why it was removed. Hence any notification would be an automatic one just like the ones you get when reporting content.

Which isn't going to please at large those most complaining about the deletion, as the lack of notification isn't the real complain.

If anything, it's having a mod team that doesn't interact with the community the biggest source of confusion. Sometimes a simple 'we've cleaned up the thread' comment serves better than a hundred notifications

[Shinoskay]

引用自 Mad Scientist：

We had two recent threads of this suggestion.
Anyway,

引用自 Tito Shivan：

[Post removed due to Steam Discussion rules violation]
There, you have it.

The gist is, if they had to remove it, either it was in violation of the rules or was in response to something in violation of the rules. Users don't need to be notified about every little tiny thing moderation does. Most of the people with deleted posts lately tend to cause trouble or are replying to such individuals, so I see no issue with having no notifications for basic moderation.

Else, if people want notifications for such, instead of courtesies they could just get warnings & bans instead.

because I started the conversation.

Go see my thread asking about it... I helped a few others realize the situation and now people are starting to look at Steam about the situation.

not that it matters anyways that theres several threads suggesting the same idea.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

No way EVERY deleted post can get a handwritten and detailed explanation of why it was removed. Hence any notification would be an automatic one just like the ones you get when reporting content.

Which isn't going to please at large those most complaining about the deletion, as the lack of notification isn't the real complain.

If anything, it's having a mod team that doesn't interact with the community the biggest source of confusion. Sometimes a simple 'we've cleaned up the thread' comment serves better than a hundred notifications

I agree with your general sentiment, but I never said it should be handwritten.

but yes, more engagement is better.... kind of like what the support staff does when locking a thread..... I LOVE that support staff gives a message with a reason that they locked it and generally why

[Mad Scientist]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

the lack of notification isn't the real complain.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

If anything, it's having a mod team that doesn't interact with the community the biggest source of confusion. Sometimes a simple 'we've cleaned up the thread' comment serves better than a hundred notifications

I don't think it's really confusion.
In one of the other two threads it's people that tend to make wildly off topic content that is extremely prone to arguing, especially strange social political comments that are unrelated so it's not really a surprise or confusing.

It comes back down to some just want to say whatever regardless of the rules. It would have those being moderated frequently complain more in the forums regardless of if it was removed as part of cleaning a thread full of arguing. Rather the silent deletions remain that rather than troublemakers making more complaint threads.

If it did it for game hubs as well, you would see a lot more threads, chances are they'd argue about it, and get themselves banned. Kind of like when people complain about game hubs bans and typically get forum bans or community bans (typically more than 1)

Keep it silent, imo.

[Thermal Lance]

引用自 Mad Scientist：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

the lack of notification isn't the real complain.

引用自 Tito Shivan：

If anything, it's having a mod team that doesn't interact with the community the biggest source of confusion. Sometimes a simple 'we've cleaned up the thread' comment serves better than a hundred notifications

I don't think it's really confusion.
In one of the other two threads it's people that tend to make wildly off topic content that is extremely prone to arguing, especially strange social political comments that are unrelated so it's not really a surprise or confusing.

It comes back down to some just want to say whatever regardless of the rules. It would have those being moderated frequently complain more in the forums regardless of if it was removed as part of cleaning a thread full of arguing. Rather the silent deletions remain that rather than troublemakers making more complaint threads.

If it did it for game hubs as well, you would see a lot more threads, chances are they'd argue about it, and get themselves banned. Kind of like when people complain about game hubs bans and typically get forum bans or community bans (typically more than 1)

Keep it silent, imo.

I know you mean well. But, to me, that's not a problem. It's garbage taking itself out.

[Zefar]

What would happen if this topic was removed.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/5940851423456467468/

Over 9900 posts with several users in repeat argument. You'd get a lot of notifications and removing any important notification you had in your notice.

People would be much more annoyed by this than actually find it useful.

[Brian9824]

引用自 Shinoskay：

I agree with your general sentiment, but I never said it should be handwritten.

but yes, more engagement is better.... kind of like what the support staff does when locking a thread..... I LOVE that support staff gives a message with a reason that they locked it and generally why

Then every deleted post would have a generic message saying your post was deleted because it quoted a post that broke the rule or broke the rules.

Then everyone would complain that the message wasn't detailed enough and they want a detailed explanation of what rule.

Posts are only deleted if they break the rules, or as part of the cleanup when they quote posts that break the rules.

[Shinoskay]

引用自 Zefar：

What would happen if this topic was removed.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/5940851423456467468/

Over 9900 posts with several users in repeat argument. You'd get a lot of notifications and removing any important notification you had in your notice.

People would be much more annoyed by this than actually find it useful.

its not hard to set up a notice that batch identifies.... telling you something like 'x number of posts were deleted from x thread'. could easily make it a per thread, per day, kinda batch notice. Once a day all posts in a specific thread.

easy peasy.

im not even going to talk about how annoying the new notification system is.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Yeah give a notification. So the user can disagree with the decision and spam support with tickets over what amounts to nothing. Not going to happen.

[BJWyler]

引用自 Shinoskay：

引用自 Zefar：

What would happen if this topic was removed.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/5940851423456467468/

Over 9900 posts with several users in repeat argument. You'd get a lot of notifications and removing any important notification you had in your notice.

People would be much more annoyed by this than actually find it useful.

its not hard to set up a notice that batch identifies.... telling you something like 'x number of posts were deleted from x thread'. could easily make it a per thread, per day, kinda batch notice. Once a day all posts in a specific thread.

easy peasy.

im not even going to talk about how annoying the new notification system is.

The thing is, it doesn't matter how easily it could be done via automation. The question is, is it really necessary?

It took me all of five seconds to deduce why certain posts of mine were deleted without any other other mod actions against my account. And anyone with enough sense to be able to put a coherent post together can come to the same conclusion, as your other thread pretty much indicates.

What would the real purpose be? Just spamming us with messages about something we already know or easily figured out on our own? Or is it so we can have a pathway to appeal the deletion like we do warnings and bans? If the latter, I would say heck no to that for the reason Guyver indicated. Support has better things to handle.

At the end of the day, if someone is so narcissistic to believe that their deleted post is that important that it simply must continue to exist, then it can simply be reposted without any direct reference to the offending post. Easy Peasy.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Shinoskay：

its not hard to set up a notice that batch identifies.... telling you something like 'x number of posts were deleted from x thread'.

Still won't solve the issue most of the people refer when complaining about post deletion. Because the problem isn't really the lack of notification, that's the excuse.

[Shinoskay]

引用自 Tito Shivan：

引用自 Shinoskay：

its not hard to set up a notice that batch identifies.... telling you something like 'x number of posts were deleted from x thread'.

Still won't solve the issue most of the people refer when complaining about post deletion. Because the problem isn't really the lack of notification, that's the excuse.

that sounds like some defeatist mentality right there.

whats the point of life if we dont at least try?

[BJWyler]

引用自 Shinoskay：

引用自 Tito Shivan：

Still won't solve the issue most of the people refer when complaining about post deletion. Because the problem isn't really the lack of notification, that's the excuse.

that sounds like some defeatist mentality right there.

whats the point of life if we dont at least try?

Because it relates to the concept of working smarter and not harder. You can try to do something all you want, but if it ultimately results in a useless effort, then that was time wasted, that could have been better spent on actually making progress somewhere else down the line.

[Shinoskay]

引用自 BJWyler：

引用自 Shinoskay：

that sounds like some defeatist mentality right there.

whats the point of life if we dont at least try?

Because it relates to the concept of working smarter and not harder. You can try to do something all you want, but if it ultimately results in a useless effort, then that was time wasted, that could have been better spent on actually making progress somewhere else down the line.

That sounds an awful lot like an opinion... an opinion made to try and convince me to not present my opinion.

[Tito Shivan]

引用自 Shinoskay：

that sounds like some defeatist mentality right there.

whats the point of life if we dont at least try?

It's not defeatism. it's going for the core issue intead to treat the symptom.

I'm not against the notification, just like we have the content report ones.
But doing it just to shut some people complains will simply not work. Because for those the lack of notification is just a symptom.