Community Restriction for UpVote on a game review about uncensor patch
So I have a 30 day community restriction since I upvoted a review. 117+ people upvoted and it was upvoted several months ago and the kicker is it had several steam point awards.



Please advise, this is the first time I've been punished on anything like Steam and I feel really aggrieved and support told me I should make this suggestion post.
Ultima modifica da Xetelian; 5 giu 2023, ore 10:40
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Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
I doubt Steam timestamps when people upvote things on the backend.
Of course they do, it's trivial to do so.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
Also the TOS of steam could have changed and now certain things are not allowed.
They didn't.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
The fact that I can't see what was in the review even after asking support for clarification makes me think it was changed after the upvote.
Why? You wouldn't be able to see it now either way.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
I get that people use bots to gather upvotes to make their possibly malicious 'review' aggregate to the top but I don't think people are making accounts, buying games to earn steam points then dropping several dollars worth of awards on their 'review'.
It's not just bots, they use hijacked accounts. That's why your upvoting privileges are temporarily suspended, to prevent your account by being exploited by malicious actors and give you a chance to make sure it's secure.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
From what i understand when steam does sweepstakes they only consider accounts that have no blemishes, This is a 30 day ban that likely will haunt my 15+ years of a clean account to my grave.
It's not a ban. It's a security feature, and I doubt it will have an effect on your eligibility for contests. Do you have a source for what you've heard?
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
The fact that I can't see what was in the review even after asking support for clarification makes me think it was changed after the upvote.
Very possible. However, if you're thinking that if Steam were to compare when you upvoted the review against when it was changed, they can't rule out that upvoting was done to boost the reviews visibility prior to the edit to better the chances of it being seen before being moderated.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
I get that people use bots to gather upvotes to make their possibly malicious 'review' aggregate to the top but I don't think people are making accounts, buying games to earn steam points then dropping several dollars worth of awards on their 'review'.
There are enough people begging for awards that no one really needs to buy games to get the points if they really try hard enough. There's even been a few reports from users who reclaimed their accounts to find someone drained their points away through awards. Also, don't underestimate the motivation these kinds of people have.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
From what i understand when steam does sweepstakes they only consider accounts that have no blemishes, This is a 30 day ban that likely will haunt my 15+ years of a clean account to my grave.

That is ultimately the most frustrating part. I did not knowingly violate rules and the review could have been malicious or a bunch of people could have reported it out of spite, who knows, a lot of this is automated to begin with, but my account has a blemish now because of this feature you mentioned.
It's more like a cooldown than an actual "BAN". It's like not being able to use the community market because you forgot to buy a game from the store in the last year. Steam doesn't do sweepstakes or giveaways very often. The last one that I can remember was the Steam Deck giveaway last December. One of the requirements was "your Steam account must be in good standing (e.g., no active bans, locks);" I'm sure they mean Game and VAC bans, community bans. And even if they also include upvoting review bans, it most likely won't be an "active" ban should they run a new giveaway.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
I've been awake for 29 hours, I'm going to try to sleep, if you don't see a response from me for a while I either slept or I laid down until my eyes stopped burning and then stayed off the computer.

I am not winging because I can't write a review or upvote or post a screenshot or like a mod for 30 days. I am worried about a permanent scar on my account that will be taken into consideration if there is a second incident in the future...a factor that gets taken into consideration when dealing another punishment to my account. I don't break rules that would adversely affect my 2000+ game library. I've invested too much to fool around and get myself locked out of this platform. :steamsalty:
No permanent scar. Temporary cooldown. Rest easy. It is far from the end of the world.
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
So I have a 30 day community ban since I upvoted a review. 117+ people upvoted that review I have no idea what it said because it was upvoted several months ago and the kicker is it had several steam point awards.

I don't know if the reviewers account got compromised and the review changed or what was problematic with the original review but I don't think a 30 day community ban is worth a single upvote on a many hour long review with over 100 other upvotes.

Please advise, this is the first time I've been banned on anything and I feel really aggrieved and support told me I should make this suggestion.

Go back to support, and ask them to change or remove ALL of your previous YES votes!
https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/GameReviewVotesAndTags
Tell them simply that you don't want to play their game anymore.

What they are offering is a dark pattern, where as, we can't revoke our votes entirely even if we make the conscious decision to to go back and do so prior. Nope they only give us a Hobson's Choice, the necessity of accepting one of two more equally objectionable alternatives, selecting a NO or a Funny. Neither of those will get you banned, but support should be made to correct, and change your YES vote user data, as so you are not ever banned again in the future or accused of manipulation the vote system by triyng to change them all if you have a lot on record.

They shouldn't ban users for a yes vote when others peoples content is banned or removed. It only fuels resentment when that happens.
Messaggio originale di 76561197960287930:
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
So I have a 30 day community ban since I upvoted a review. 117+ people upvoted that review I have no idea what it said because it was upvoted several months ago and the kicker is it had several steam point awards.

I don't know if the reviewers account got compromised and the review changed or what was problematic with the original review but I don't think a 30 day community ban is worth a single upvote on a many hour long review with over 100 other upvotes.

Please advise, this is the first time I've been banned on anything and I feel really aggrieved and support told me I should make this suggestion.

Go back to support, and ask them to change or remove ALL of your previous YES votes!
https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/GameReviewVotesAndTags
Tell them simply that you don't want to play their game anymore.

What they are offering is a dark pattern, where as, we can't revoke our votes entirely even if we make the conscious decision to to go back and do so prior. Nope they only give us a Hobson's Choice, the necessity of accepting one of two more equally objectionable alternatives, selecting a NO or a Funny. Neither of those will get you banned, but support should be made to correct, and change your YES vote user data, as so you are not ever banned again in the future or accused of manipulation the vote system by triyng to change them all if you have a lot on record.

They shouldn't ban users for a yes vote when others peoples content is banned or removed. It only fuels resentment when that happens.


How did you find that link??

I just asked support to remove them after reading your post, I hope they do it.

I also asked if this will be a permanent blemish on my account. Hopefully they will tell me and hopefully it wont.


I don't know enough about steam after all these years if I couldn't find that link you shared, man I've never had to even think about this before and now I'm gunshy of YES voting ANYTHING.
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:


How did you find that link??
Upper left corner of the screen:
Help > Steam Support > My Account > Data Related to Your Steam Account.

That will bring you to this page: https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata

Scroll down to Store.
Scroll down to find "Your Vote and Tags on Reviews".

There's a whole lot of stuff about your account, and your activities on Steam since you created your account. Take some time to familiarize yourself with what is there, and how to get there without needing someone else to post a link to it. And don't worry - the link is personalized. No one else can see what is there besides you and Steam Support.
Ultima modifica da IFIYGD; 5 giu 2023, ore 2:50
Messaggio originale di Chocolate Pie Kitten:
You upvoted a review that you not knew what it was saying and you just follwoed the bandwagon ?

The suggestion is to read a review before to upvote it
The OP pointed out that it was several months ago, meaning he/she doesn't remember, NOT that he/she did not read it,


This situation is ridiculous and shows just how little STEAM cares about its customers.
Ultima modifica da AROCK!!!; 5 giu 2023, ore 3:31
Messaggio originale di 76561197960287930:
Neither of those will get you banned, but support should be made to correct, and change your YES vote user data, as so you are not ever banned again in the future or accused of manipulation the vote system by triyng to change them all if you have a lot on record.
He wasn't banned, and he wasn't accused of anything.
Messaggio originale di Tanoomba:
Messaggio originale di 76561197960287930:
Neither of those will get you banned, but support should be made to correct, and change your YES vote user data, as so you are not ever banned again in the future or accused of manipulation the vote system by triyng to change them all if you have a lot on record.
He wasn't banned, and he wasn't accused of anything.


30 day account suspension
30 day community interaction ban

What is the point in arguing semantics with us?
Ultima modifica da Xetelian; 5 giu 2023, ore 5:35
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
Messaggio originale di Tanoomba:
He wasn't banned, and he wasn't accused of anything.


30 day account suspension
30 day community interaction ban

What is the point in arguing semantics with us?

Because what you posted is factually wrong. You have a 30 day community INTERACTION ban, that is VERY different from your account being suspended or a community ban.

If you had a community ban your profile would be restricted, you wouldn't be able to post, etc. Instead the ban you have is VERY narrow in its scope and doesn't impact 99.9% of steam. It just blocks you from interacting with community content leaving all other functionality intact.

So its important to correctly clarify what happened. I agree the whole upvoting thing is odd, but people keep complaining and asking steam to do something about troll reviews, and these bans happen when people like or upvote troll reviews to discourage people from upvoting them.
Ultima modifica da Brian9824; 5 giu 2023, ore 6:11
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
30 day account suspension
30 day community interaction ban
Your account wasn't suspended. Again, it's a security feature, not a punishment. To equate a temporary inability to upvote reviews with a ban is disingenuous.
Ultima modifica da Tanoomba; 5 giu 2023, ore 7:36
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:


30 day account suspension
30 day community interaction ban

What is the point in arguing semantics with us?

Because what you posted is factually wrong. You have a 30 day community INTERACTION ban, that is VERY different from your account being suspended or a community ban.

If you had a community ban your profile would be restricted, you wouldn't be able to post, etc. Instead the ban you have is VERY narrow in its scope and doesn't impact 99.9% of steam. It just blocks you from interacting with community content leaving all other functionality intact.

So its important to correctly clarify what happened. I agree the whole upvoting thing is odd, but people keep complaining and asking steam to do something about troll reviews, and these bans happen when people like or upvote troll reviews to discourage people from upvoting them.

You're incorrect about a troll review.

Support got back to me and said the content of the review violated their policies because it encouraged people to go to a developers website and download a patch to un-censor the game.

I don't believe there were any links involved. The support contact is still open so I can ask if links were involved at some point later.

I own a few games like Huniepop 1 and 2 and it appears that Steam is very selective in how they view R rated content. It is fine if someone cuts a person into gibblets or if you have a sex scene in mass effect or The Witcher 2 and 3 but a anime style game is still a hot potato.

Factually wrong is arguing semantics. I was punished. I should have just titled the thread "Punished for Upvoting a review" but I didn't think it would trigger so many gentle souls into action when I wrote it up without thinking about the definition of what kind of punishment it was.

I never said it was permanent I clearly said it was 30 days.

I think people can infer the reality of the situation without you giving me your unnecessary corrections.

Boy, if the steam forum community didn't have arm chair generals policing these discussions with gusto these posts wouldn't get bumped so many times.

Thank you for the visibility.

Please, explain to me the difference between a community suspension, a community temporary ban, and whatever you want to call what I've just gotten. It will help distinguish in the future what is and isn't allowed by the above average user of these forums.
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
I own a few games like Huniepop 1 and 2 and it appears that Steam is very selective in how they view R rated content. It is fine if someone cuts a person into gibblets or if you have a sex scene in mass effect or The Witcher 2 and 3 but a anime style game is still a hot potato.
Why do you assume it's because of the nature of the content being added and not about being instructed to use 3rd party software to modify a game, possibly violating the terms of service?

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
I was punished.
No, you weren't. You were subjected to a security feature implemented to prevent your account from being exploited by malicious actors.

Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
Please, explain to me the difference between a community suspension, a community temporary ban, and whatever you want to call what I've just gotten.
A "ban", in its common usage, is when someone is no longer allowed to post in a particular forum, usually as a result of not following the rules and guidelines with their posting habits. It's a consequence that occurred as a result of their own actions. A "community ban" is even more severe, with the user not having any posting privileges altogether.

What you got is a temporary suspension of upvote privileges implemented to allow you to secure your account and make sure it isn't being hijacked to upvote rule-breaking content. It was applied due to suspicion that someone may have been using your account without your knowledge. You've maintained all posting privileges and are not "banned" in the common usage of the word.
Ultima modifica da Tanoomba; 5 giu 2023, ore 7:46
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
Factually wrong is arguing semantics. I was punished. I should have just titled the thread "Punished for Upvoting a review" but I didn't think it would trigger so many gentle souls into action when I wrote it up without thinking about the definition of what kind of punishment it was.

I never said it was permanent I clearly said it was 30 days.

I think people can infer the reality of the situation without you giving me your unnecessary corrections.

Please, explain to me the difference between a community suspension, a community temporary ban, and whatever you want to call what I've just gotten. It will help distinguish in the future what is and isn't allowed by the above average user of these forums.

Already told you.

Community ban is extremely restrictive, you can't post on forums, your profile is hidden, you can't leave comments, etc. There are a slew of restrictions, but i've never gotten one and don't know all the restrictions off hand. They are only done when someone is VERY disruptive or racks up multiple bans across multiple forums in short order.

What you got is very very narrow in scope and only involves you interacting with other user generated comments, doesn't effect the forums, etc.

Hence why the wording is so important. Getting a community ban is VASTLY different from a Community interaction ban.

It would be akin to incorrectly saying you were found guilty of a felony instead of a misdemeaner for jaywalking. Hence why in this particular case it is indeed important to clarify your account isn't suspended, you don't have a community ban, etc.
Messaggio originale di brian9824:
Messaggio originale di Xetelian:
Factually wrong is arguing semantics. I was punished. I should have just titled the thread "Punished for Upvoting a review" but I didn't think it would trigger so many gentle souls into action when I wrote it up without thinking about the definition of what kind of punishment it was.

I never said it was permanent I clearly said it was 30 days.

I think people can infer the reality of the situation without you giving me your unnecessary corrections.

Please, explain to me the difference between a community suspension, a community temporary ban, and whatever you want to call what I've just gotten. It will help distinguish in the future what is and isn't allowed by the above average user of these forums.

Already told you.

Community ban is extremely restrictive, you can't post on forums, your profile is hidden, you can't leave comments, etc. There are a slew of restrictions, but i've never gotten one and don't know all the restrictions off hand. They are only done when someone is VERY disruptive or racks up multiple bans across multiple forums in short order.

What you got is very very narrow in scope and only involves you interacting with other user generated comments, doesn't effect the forums, etc.

Hence why the wording is so important. Getting a community ban is VASTLY different from a Community interaction ban.

It would be akin to incorrectly saying you were found guilty of a felony instead of a misdemeaner for jaywalking. Hence why in this particular case it is indeed important to clarify your account isn't suspended, you don't have a community ban, etc.


I can't interact with the forums outside making a new thread and posting ONLY in that thread. I cannot go to other threads and post in them. I did read a few of the topics getting attention and you both are extremely active and argumentative to the point of tears.


Nice analogy with the felony bit.

Can I change the title of the thread?

The two of you arguing with me is more or less off topic and borderline spam at this point.
This is a truly unfair mechanic by valve, I'm sursprised how some people are defending it. I agree that it should be changed.
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