Remove or at least actually moderate "off topic reviews"

[deadrop66]

in the current system it just benefits the dev's and hurts the gamer's, like if the devs do something that is a really bad addition to the game and the community is upset about said change like for instance an economy change that hurts the player base, how is negative reviews about that update off topic but someone posting a cake recipe positive review not off topic?
i say remove the system as it currently is and rework it so its less censorship and its more about being able to reflect a game as it is

[Aachen]

All reviews during such periods are excluded.

[Start_Running]

You know that people can choose to turn off the the filter right?
So no one's actually hurt. Those who care about such things can turn it off and those with the filter on can still read the filtered reviews.

[Crazy Tiger]

Because the system is not designed for individual reviews. It just detects a change in the pattern, that's all. Valve staff then check the reviews and make a decision.

The "off-topic" filter is optional, mind.

You can report the individual reviews.

[deadrop66]

Messaggio originale di Aachen:

All reviews during such periods are excluded.

i wasn't speaking exclusively about during the off topic section, what was meant was why is a bunch of reviews about a awful change towards the game get seen as off topic but people posting a bunch of recipes with positive reviews seen as alright?

[Tanoomba]

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

how is negative reviews about that update off topic

Who says they are?

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

but someone posting a cake recipe positive review not off topic?

Because, presumably, despite the joke nature of the review the thumbs-up still represents the reviewer's opinion.

[deadrop66]

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

You know that people can choose to turn off the the filter right?
So no one's actually hurt. Those who care about such things can turn it off and those with the filter on can still read the filtered reviews.

thats only if you take the time to enable it just looking at the game from the store page without it enabled makes the game go from mostly negative 56% to mostly positive 76% which is incredibly deceptive or at least if they made it enable by default and the user had to disable it

[deadrop66]

Messaggio originale di Tanoomba:

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

how is negative reviews about that update off topic

Who says they are?

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

but someone posting a cake recipe positive review not off topic?

Because, presumably, despite the joke nature of the review the thumbs-up still represents the reviewer's opinion.

well the big thing that says "off topic reviews" says they are off topic and the fact that a positive joke review is seen as ok but a genuine negative review is seen as off topic is the issue

[Start_Running]

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

You know that people can choose to turn off the the filter right?
So no one's actually hurt. Those who care about such things can turn it off and those with the filter on can still read the filtered reviews.

thats only if you take the time to enable it just looking at the game from the store page without it enabled makes the game go from mostly negative 56% to mostly positive 76% which is incredibly deceptive or at least if they made it enable by default and the user had to disable it

Is it though?

With drama tantruyms on, negative, with drma tantrum off positive.

As said the user is free to actually read the reviews for themselves but if they have no interest in the drama of the week. Then...

[Tanoomba]

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

thats only if you take the time to enable it just looking at the game from the store page without it enabled makes the game go from mostly negative 56% to mostly positive 76% which is incredibly deceptive or at least if they made it enable by default and the user had to disable it

It makes far more sense to have the review bomb filter enabled by default. The whole reason the filter exists is because review bombs DON'T reflect the game's qualities or faults but are rather malicious campaigns trying to get revenge over a perceived slight. They do not help the average user decide if they will enjoy a game or not.

[deadrop66]

Messaggio originale di Start_Running:

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

thats only if you take the time to enable it just looking at the game from the store page without it enabled makes the game go from mostly negative 56% to mostly positive 76% which is incredibly deceptive or at least if they made it enable by default and the user had to disable it

Is it though?

With drama tantruyms on, negative, with drma tantrum off positive.

As said the user is free to actually read the reviews for themselves but if they have no interest in the drama of the week. Then...

well hiding reviews by default isnt the right way to do it, in its current form the dev's benefit from this alot more then the consumers do, and i don't think a game ruining update is classified as the drama of the week, however if you wish to be pessimistic of the effect hiding reviews can have thats totally on you

[Tanoomba]

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

well the big thing that says "off topic reviews" says they are off topic and the fact that a positive joke review is seen as ok but a genuine negative review is seen as off topic is the issue

Why do you think "genuine negative reviews" are being counted as "off-topic"? That's not at all how it works. If a group of reviews was deemed "off-topic", it's because they were focused on something other than the game itself.

[deadrop66]

Messaggio originale di Tanoomba:

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

thats only if you take the time to enable it just looking at the game from the store page without it enabled makes the game go from mostly negative 56% to mostly positive 76% which is incredibly deceptive or at least if they made it enable by default and the user had to disable it

It makes far more sense to have the review bomb filter enabled by default. The whole reason the filter exists is because review bombs DON'T reflect the game's qualities or faults but are rather malicious campaigns trying to get revenge over a perceived slight. They do not help the average user decide if they will enjoy a game or not.

so the devs making an awful update about the game that the playerbase is responding to with negative reviews about the update is now review bombing?

[Tanoomba]

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

well hiding reviews by default isnt the right way to do it

if those reviews are part of a review bomb, then it absolutely is.

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

in its current form the dev's benefit from this alot more then the consumers do

No, it's to the consumers' benefit to have review aggregates be relevant and actually reflect what the player base feels about the game.

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

and i don't think a game ruining update is classified as the drama of the week

What game are you talking about?

[deadrop66]

Messaggio originale di Tanoomba:

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

well the big thing that says "off topic reviews" says they are off topic and the fact that a positive joke review is seen as ok but a genuine negative review is seen as off topic is the issue

Why do you think "genuine negative reviews" are being counted as "off-topic"? That's not at all how it works. If a group of reviews was deemed "off-topic", it's because they were focused on something other than the game itself.

you give steam to much credit 5 random reviews mixed in with thousands of genuine ones are enough to trigger the automated system

[Tanoomba]

Messaggio originale di deadrop66:

you give steam to much credit 5 random reviews mixed in with thousands of genuine ones are enough to trigger the automated system

Citation needed.