Remove Game Bans on Profiles

[Med]

Hello everyone,

I wanted to bring up an issue that had affected me in a totally unfair way. As many of you know, Steam has a feature that allows game developers to ban players from their games. While this feature can be useful for combating cheating and other forms of misconduct (I don't see how tbh), it is also being abused by some developers to unfairly affect innocent players.

The problem is that when a developer issues a game ban, it is not only applied to the player's account in that particular game, but also to their entire Steam profile. This means that the player's reputation is effectively tarnished even if they were innocent.

This is a serious problem because it allows game developers to punish innocent players without any real evidence of wrongdoing. In some cases, players have been wrongly banned due to false positives or other errors in the anti-cheat system. And even in cases where a player has legitimately cheated, I don't see how painting their Steam profile by a third party solves anything, except giving more freedom and power to the actual game developers to do whatever they please (I'm a prime example of this type of abuse from Amazon Games Studios, caused by a faulty automation in their New World game).

While I do understand that Steam is a platform that serves as a marketplace for games developed by third-party developers, it is important to ensure that these developers are held accountable for their actions. Allowing developers to issue Steam bans without proper justification or due process can lead to an unfair and unregulated environment for Steam users.
It's frustrating to spend our hard-earned money on games, only to have our global Steam account reputation tarnished by the reckless abuse of power by developers. It's imperative that Steam takes proactive measures to safeguard its users against such unjust treatment and guarantees that their investment in the platform is protected.

I urge Steam to consider implementing stricter rules and regulations for game developers to ensure that users are treated fairly and that their reputations are not damaged unjustly. In the meantime, me and plenty of my Steam hardcore and elite Steam friends are considering switching over to other competitors that are adding more consumer-friendly features, if this kind of abuse continues to happen on Steam.

I do hope that my feedback reaches the executives and people in charge around the platform.



Disclaimer: Before we get started with the "don't cheat" unhelpful feedback, I want to make a quick disclaimer. I have been falsely flagged by New World's Easy Anti-Cheat (EAC) system for allegedly running a cheating program in the background. This is a well-known issue with New World, as many legitimate players have been banned without cause. I have already tried to contact Amazon Game Studios (AGS) to prove my innocence, but have only received automated responses so far. I am currently waiting to hear back from their higher-ups. Please refrain from making unhelpful comments about cheating, as this is not the issue at hand but rather a feedback aimed towards Steam.

Thank you for taking the time to read my suggestion, and I welcome any feedback or discussion on this topic.

EDIT: Ban has been lifted.

[DEFIANCE is Back !!]

False bans have nothing to do with not showing bans on the profile. If the ban is deserved it should be on the profile. if its not deserved it will already be removed from the profile when its corrected "

-- that's the posters point that many people have been falsely accused and banned and the company (as well as probably many others) didn't 'fix' their ban and remove it,

the opening poster is completely right it's one thing to have 100% accuracy on cheaters it's another thing altogether to have all these whacky programs guess-timating if you're cheating or not then slapping a permanent 'banned cheater' on your profile forever,

anyone thinking being caught 'cheating' is always '100%' you're insane haven't people seen how easy it is for anti-virus programs to get files and websites wrong with their 'warnings virus identified' etc,

why would anti-cheat programs be any different people could have malware and rootkits on their system and not even know it that would trigger anti-cheat software etc,

It's actually pretty crazy to think a person that has spent 1000s of hours and 1000s of dollars on steam could get slandered with a 'banned cheater' label and have no way to deal with it,

unfortunately the argument will go both ways the only truly sane choice for a person to do is what someone mentioned to use an account specifically for online games,

that way in case you get labeled a cheater (or what I hate), or your achieves get messed up because the game closes down etc, you can just delete the account or something.

In fact, related to unfinished achieves (with online games that close down and you're stuck unable to get your achieves finished),

steam should have a 'remove this game AND anything tied to it' option,

so that let's say there's an online game that falsely labeled you a cheater and you have unfinished achieves in it you can't finish etc,

if you 'remove' it from your account it not only removes the game but also it's achieves, AND anything tied to your account about it,

such as 'cheater bans' etc.


People forget this is much like real life where you could be falsely accused of something and you get some kind of weird 'record' so whenever you apply for a job it always shows up,

there are time limits for those I think (might be wrong) in real life so why are they permanent on steam.

Opening poster has a point, for sure,

also,

for those that say, "well cheaters should pay the price etc' you're forgetting how easy it is to be falsely accused,

but more importantly that the REAL cheaters would just start another account and continue on cheating,

if a person truely cares about his account getting screwed by a false ban he probably wasn't cheating because he doesn't want to tarnish his reputiation -

that means he probably wouldn't have cheated in the first place,

the people that 'don't give a s---' about cheating probably don't give a doo-doo about an account either they'll just start multiple accounts and not care.

[DEFIANCE is Back !!]

Note as I wrote my last post I noticed he is currently in-game in New World,

so go figure, lol..

[Med]

引用自 Celendrin：

Note as I wrote my last post I noticed he is currently in-game in New World,

so go figure, lol..

If you look a few posts back, you'll notice that the ban has been lifted (I posted an update).

[Eagle 🦅]

The game bans by incompetent devs has me rethinking valves priorities. Hey @Steam not only did @taskforcegame not use the best practices stated in your valve documentation, they wrongfully banned players over hate for the community over constructive criticism. There were no cheaters what so ever, including myself. Something needs to be done to lift these bans. Talk about abusing the system. #SOCOM

Make it make sense @Steamworks @OddSteamReviews
https://youtu.be/Tk6h6gnI8co?si=-8fNKTNgpyJAomJS

[Satoru]

SidAlpha is now an ambulance chasing click bait troll. The very thing they originally were fighting against

It’s funny that everyone makes this claim yet Steam seemingly disagrees with everyone. Maybe it’s because nothing happened except that a bunch of trolls got banned and they decided spreading FUD was the only thing they could do

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 \E/ Eagle_JRiv：

The game bans by incompetent devs has me rethinking valves priorities. Hey @Steam not only did @taskforcegame not use the best practices stated in your valve documentation, they wrongfully banned players over hate for the community over constructive criticism. There were no cheaters what so ever, including myself. Something needs to be done to lift these bans. Talk about abusing the system. #SOCOM

Make it make sense @Steamworks @OddSteamReviews
https://youtu.be/Tk6h6gnI8co?si=-8fNKTNgpyJAomJS

Your ban was from PUBG.

[Serendipity]

引用自 vanishedchief2021：

I don't think you should get banned from a game that you have purchased that is wrong.

So, what you are saying is everyone that has bought a game should not be banned from that game ever; That must be about 90% of the user base on Steam that has bought a game, that means all those people could cheat, troll, abuse other users without consequences.

That is anarchy.

[Ice_Tea_Zero]

100% agree. Getting banned by any automatic system like VAC should still show the ban but getting banned by an admin or the devs shouldn't. Especially since I heard about some cases where the devs just banned someone from their game after stuff that happened in the community HUB, outside of the game.

[(banned)]

引用自 Serendipity：

引用自 vanishedchief2021：

I don't think you should get banned from a game that you have purchased that is wrong.

So, what you are saying is everyone that has bought a game should not be banned from that game ever; That must be about 90% of the user base on Steam that has bought a game, that means all those people could cheat, troll, abuse other users without consequences.

That is anarchy.

And some users prefer anarchy.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

引用自 Ice_Tea_Zero：

100% agree. Getting banned by any automatic system like VAC should still show the ban but getting banned by an admin or the devs shouldn't. Especially since I heard about some cases where the devs just banned someone from their game after stuff that happened in the community HUB, outside of the game.

Only time I've seen/heard of Devs implementing game bans against users is for gross behavior in say forums/discord communities.

Like doxing/threatening someone in Warframe's official forums might lead to an in-game ban.

Exception being Jao, the Dev from Day of Dragons. Who tried to hardcode SteamID bans (aka make it so the game won't even launch) for youtubers who criticized his behavior and game in videos.

[Dr. Tom]

this happened to me. there was a scammer who added me and wanted to "gift" me a game and have it reviewed by me since he wanted feedback. the scammer issued a game key for me to activate in the steam library and once i've enter a string of keys, the scammer in the chat between them and i, responded immidiately by laughing and saying you're now game banned for a game i never downloaded and installed. this happened all in a minute. this is a setup beware. do not activate keys from whom you don't know. the developer is also not a real entity. they are known to be cheaters in the tf2 community who all got together and is targeting people we know. the game was called ♥♥♥♥♥ palace and is now removed from the store

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

引用自 Dr. Tom：

this happened to me. there was a scammer who added me and wanted to "gift" me a game and have it reviewed by me since he wanted feedback. the scammer issued a game key for me to activate in the steam library and once i've enter a string of keys, the scammer in the chat between them and i, responded immidiately by laughing and saying you're now game banned for a game i never downloaded and installed. this happened all in a minute. this is a setup beware. do not activate keys from whom you don't know. the developer is also not a real entity. they are known to be cheaters in the tf2 community who all got together and is targeting people we know. the game was called ♥♥♥♥♥ palace and is now removed from the store

Keys don't cause bans.

[Satoru]

引用自 Dr. Tom：

this happened to me. there was a scammer who added me and wanted to "gift" me a game and have it reviewed by me since he wanted feedback. the scammer issued a game key for me to activate in the steam library and once i've enter a string of keys, the scammer in the chat between them and i, responded immidiately by laughing and saying you're now game banned for a game i never downloaded and installed. this happened all in a minute. this is a setup beware. do not activate keys from whom you don't know. the developer is also not a real entity. they are known to be cheaters in the tf2 community who all got together and is targeting people we know. the game was called ♥♥♥♥♥ palace and is now removed from the store

If you're going to make up a story, don't make one up that is patently false

[Dr. Tom]

if keys don't cause bans, then the person who randomly added me game banned me. as of now, the game has been deleted from the store and no longer exists. the scammer is currently community banned so that's nice to see. i'm now with a ticket and valve is currently investigating all these innocent accounts that got banned. the game wasn't even downloaded/installed so for that to happen is unfair. also the scammer is a well known cheater in the tf2 community. several ppl have been game banned for a game that DOES NOT exist anymore

[Brian9824]

引用自 Dr. Tom：

if keys don't cause bans, then the person who randomly added me game banned me. as of now, the game has been deleted from the store and no longer exists. the scammer is currently community banned so that's nice to see. i'm now with a ticket and valve is currently investigating all these innocent accounts that got banned. the game wasn't even downloaded/installed so for that to happen is unfair. also the scammer is a well known cheater in the tf2 community. several ppl have been game banned for a game that DOES NOT exist anymore

What game?