gyrotim 2023 年 5 月 3 日 下午 5:19
Allow Win 7 users to keep using your damn platform (SUGGESTION)
How about you give a little control to your users instead of forcing stupid updates onto them? I haven't gotten a single virus on windows 7 since they stopped supporting it so don't give the "security update" excuse you always do. The only reason I used a dual-boot system for Windows 10 was to play Forza Horizon 4 which is a property of Microsoft. Or at the VERY LEAST allow the user to use older versions of steam! I know it sounds CRAZY that you'd allow the user to do such an awful thing but trust me, it'd be really good!
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Start_Running 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 11:00 
引用自 Chesmu
Let's be honest there is no security or privacy online, the same people that make OS can easily hack it even Windows 11! They could even hire their own hackers to hack Windows 7 users and make news to make it look weak, then do the same for next versions and so on.

The Data collection and location tracking will be always there too, the only thing that's a bit less advanced on versions older than 10, and the bloat doesn't exist in those versions. Those are the only good things now being taken away.

I don't think the main Client will be able to support older OS but they could make a legacy launcher.
The bloat can be easily removed. And quite frankly what is considered 'bloat' will vary from user to user.

And no a legacy layuncher isn't gonna happen for reasons you well know by now, since it's been repeated enough times. A client that's out of sync with the backend is basically useless.
最后由 Start_Running 编辑于; 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 11:01
Marcus Arcturus 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 5:36 
Couldn't Valve simply allow us to use the software without having to run Steam in the background?
Lotte 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 5:59 
Why should they do that?
最后由 Lotte 编辑于; 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 5:59
Chesmu 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 6:01 
Why should they do that?
Because it's the right thing to do.
Lotte 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 6:03 
Yeah ... Not really. But you do you.
Brian9824 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 6:06 
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
Couldn't Valve simply allow us to use the software without having to run Steam in the background?

Any game dev can do this if they wish. Steam isn't required to even be installed to run a downloaded game unless the developer wants it to be. Many games on steam will run even if steam wasn't installed at all.
Zefar 2023 年 5 月 17 日 上午 6:24 
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
Couldn't Valve simply allow us to use the software without having to run Steam in the background?

You'll run into the problem where if you buy a new game you will not be able to install it because you'd need to run the client to start the download.

Also because a lot of games need Steam to be running in order to play.

I doubt these people will be playing their old game forever too.
Marcus Arcturus 2023 年 5 月 17 日 下午 6:35 
引用自 Zefar
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
Couldn't Valve simply allow us to use the software without having to run Steam in the background?

You'll run into the problem where if you buy a new game you will not be able to install it because you'd need to run the client to start the download.

Also because a lot of games need Steam to be running in order to play.

I doubt these people will be playing their old game forever too.

My older game is a heavily modded version of Skyrim. After 2000 hours of tinkering I’ve over 300 mods working without crashes. If they force me to update the OS I have to start updating the mods and some of the mods were taken down two years ago in protest to changes being imposed on modders. This is a stand alone set-up only used to run Skyrim LE. I know they could allow me to run my version without using Steam and I’m very disappointed that after a month and 10 requests no one is listening except chat-bots. I’m even offering to pay a monthly fee as compensation for their time but crickets. Is that the way a client focused firm behaves?
最后由 Marcus Arcturus 编辑于; 2023 年 5 月 17 日 下午 6:36
Wolfgang421 2023 年 5 月 17 日 下午 9:36 
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
引用自 Zefar

You'll run into the problem where if you buy a new game you will not be able to install it because you'd need to run the client to start the download.

Also because a lot of games need Steam to be running in order to play.

I doubt these people will be playing their old game forever too.

My older game is a heavily modded version of Skyrim. After 2000 hours of tinkering I’ve over 300 mods working without crashes. If they force me to update the OS I have to start updating the mods and some of the mods were taken down two years ago in protest to changes being imposed on modders. This is a stand alone set-up only used to run Skyrim LE. I know they could allow me to run my version without using Steam and I’m very disappointed that after a month and 10 requests no one is listening except chat-bots. I’m even offering to pay a monthly fee as compensation for their time but crickets. Is that the way a client focused firm behaves?

The cost would be insane, so unless you're a millionaire your offer likely isn't sensible (you're talking about monthly pay, benefits and whatnot for multiple employees who are also trained on legacy systems). You can back up your current mods - be they .esp's or .bsp's or what have you - on to another drive in preparation. You can also backup your install and restore in once you upgrade. There are also likely some alternatives involving SteamCMD or linux, if hardware is a consideration.
Marcus Arcturus 2023 年 5 月 18 日 上午 2:00 
引用自 Wolfgang421
引用自 Marcus Arcturus

My older game is a heavily modded version of Skyrim. After 2000 hours of tinkering I’ve over 300 mods working without crashes. If they force me to update the OS I have to start updating the mods and some of the mods were taken down two years ago in protest to changes being imposed on modders. This is a stand alone set-up only used to run Skyrim LE. I know they could allow me to run my version without using Steam and I’m very disappointed that after a month and 10 requests no one is listening except chat-bots. I’m even offering to pay a monthly fee as compensation for their time but crickets. Is that the way a client focused firm behaves?

The cost would be insane, so unless you're a millionaire your offer likely isn't sensible (you're talking about monthly pay, benefits and whatnot for multiple employees who are also trained on legacy systems). You can back up your current mods - be they .esp's or .bsp's or what have you - on to another drive in preparation. You can also backup your install and restore in once you upgrade. There are also likely some alternatives involving SteamCMD or linux, if hardware is a consideration.

Good point, but the idea was really to have Steam divide that cost between me and all other legacy users rather than have me pay the whole cost. I simply want to give Steam a range of ways to respond because, irritatingly, the haven’t said anything at all since my first support inquiry a month ago.
Nx Machina 2023 年 5 月 18 日 上午 2:14 
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
My older game is a heavily modded version of Skyrim. After 2000 hours of tinkering I’ve over 300 mods working without crashes. If they force me to update the OS I have to start updating the mods and some of the mods were taken down two years ago in protest to changes being imposed on modders. This is a stand alone set-up only used to run Skyrim LE. I know they could allow me to run my version without using Steam and I’m very disappointed that after a month and 10 requests no one is listening except chat-bots. I’m even offering to pay a monthly fee as compensation for their time but crickets. Is that the way a client focused firm behaves?

Skyrim original, LE, SE and AE all run on Windows 10.

As for mods they are 3rd party and the Skyrim forums are full of advice regarding mods.
Crazy Tiger 2023 年 5 月 18 日 上午 2:36 
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
引用自 Wolfgang421

The cost would be insane, so unless you're a millionaire your offer likely isn't sensible (you're talking about monthly pay, benefits and whatnot for multiple employees who are also trained on legacy systems). You can back up your current mods - be they .esp's or .bsp's or what have you - on to another drive in preparation. You can also backup your install and restore in once you upgrade. There are also likely some alternatives involving SteamCMD or linux, if hardware is a consideration.

Good point, but the idea was really to have Steam divide that cost between me and all other legacy users rather than have me pay the whole cost. I simply want to give Steam a range of ways to respond because, irritatingly, the haven’t said anything at all since my first support inquiry a month ago.
Steam Support mostly is there for standard account & billing issues, nothing more. This subject is not something they deal with. So them giving an initial response and then closing tickets as they consider the case closed, seems correct and par for the course.

Your offer won't be considered, Valve won't deviate from their course. Not unless people actually take action via consumer agencies/lawyers.
Mad Scientist 2023 年 5 月 18 日 上午 6:35 
引用自 Nx Machina
Skyrim original, LE, SE and AE all run on Windows 10.

As for mods they are 3rd party and the Skyrim forums are full of advice regarding mods.
I can confirm the Skyrim versions run well on Win10. As do the older TES series games.

I still partially wonder if they might add some sort of legacy compatibility to use basic client functions but not other portions, though I'm more inclined to believe it'll probably be coded to not run updates or certain functions based upon the detected OS. One way to find out.
Marcus Arcturus 2023 年 5 月 18 日 下午 3:30 
引用自 Crazy Tiger
引用自 Marcus Arcturus

Good point, but the idea was really to have Steam divide that cost between me and all other legacy users rather than have me pay the whole cost. I simply want to give Steam a range of ways to respond because, irritatingly, the haven’t said anything at all since my first support inquiry a month ago.
Steam Support mostly is there for standard account & billing issues, nothing more. This subject is not something they deal with. So them giving an initial response and then closing tickets as they consider the case closed, seems correct and par for the course.

Your offer won't be considered, Valve won't deviate from their course. Not unless people actually take action via consumer agencies/lawyers.

Suing Steam over this sounds silly even though I feel like throwing thunderbolts. I does however call into question the efficacy over the whole model of ‘buying’ a game that only works under third party software. While Steam used to feel like a pioneer they now feel like an uncaring megacorp.
Crazy Tiger 2023 年 5 月 18 日 下午 3:44 
引用自 Marcus Arcturus
引用自 Crazy Tiger
Steam Support mostly is there for standard account & billing issues, nothing more. This subject is not something they deal with. So them giving an initial response and then closing tickets as they consider the case closed, seems correct and par for the course.

Your offer won't be considered, Valve won't deviate from their course. Not unless people actually take action via consumer agencies/lawyers.

Suing Steam over this sounds silly even though I feel like throwing thunderbolts. I does however call into question the efficacy over the whole model of ‘buying’ a game that only works under third party software. While Steam used to feel like a pioneer they now feel like an uncaring megacorp.
Steams SSA covers that the system requirements for the Steam client and services might change over time. We all agreed to that on creation of the account and with every purchase made. So basically, we all agreed what to will happen Jan 1st 2024. Nothing people post on here as "suggestions" or "solutions" will be considered. I base that on the previous times Steam dropped support for older operating systems.

If people want it differently, whether that's a legacy client, a somewhat disconnected client or whatever, they'll have to take the only route that has a chance for that. Which is consymer agencies/lawyers. If people don't actually test the SSA in courts and such, Valve will simply do as they please.

Valve always has been a corp just like the rest. People who thought differently fell for the "good guy" marketing by Valve. The first time Valve/Steam dropped support was in 2007, I think, barely 4 years after it came to be and 2 years after the first 3rd party titles came on Steam. So them dropping support for operating systems isn't exactly new.
最后由 Crazy Tiger 编辑于; 2023 年 5 月 18 日 下午 3:45
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