It's *astounding* you can't change your account name.
It's 2023, I have like seven different reasons I want to change my account name, and it's ludicrous that there's apparently literally no option at all to do so. I've literally changed my name on legal documents and banking accounts and myriad other game and service accounts, it's really bizarre and backwards that Steam can't accommodate this in any fashion.
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Pscht 1. Mai 2023 um 14:08 
It's astounding people can't use the forum search and read what has been said the many many times when that came up before.
It is not astounding at all.

Username is the primary key of the homegrown database. Changing the primary key of a database not impossible, but is a large risk.

Risk as in, Steam would likely need to be down for part of a day. if anything went wrong, it would be longer.

Risk include loss of game entitlements, inventories, and anything else (everything else) because the primary key of the database is what ties it all together.

What they did is was not unusual at the time. Unfortunately, Valve did not address this very early on and now it is a monster of a problem. A monster of a problem that they will not touch unless and until they absolutely HAVE TO DO IT...which likely could be never.

You'd have a hard time paying me enough to manage that project to make it worth it.

I have been through this myself as a project manager. Updating and changing a db this size with this many active users is a gigantic mess. No matter what they do there is risk, and its compounded risk. if the update fails, things break, or the service goes dead and millions of people cannot even login until they recover.

I could relate the stress filled nightmare that my project was, but its pointless. Suffice it to say that even in a Fortune 100 changing even a db with 26K active daily users was a risk and required most of a weekend to accomplish, biting nails the whole way.

This is orders of magnitude larger and more complex, though granted they certainly have more people than I did.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:
It is not astounding at all.

Username is the primary key of the homegrown database. Changing the primary key of a database not impossible, but is a large risk.

Risk as in, Steam would likely need to be down for part of a day. if anything went wrong, it would be longer.

Risk include loss of game entitlements, inventories, and anything else (everything else) because the primary key of the database is what ties it all together.

What they did is was not unusual at the time. Unfortunately, Valve did not address this very early on and now it is a monster of a problem. A monster of a problem that they will not touch unless and until they absolutely HAVE TO DO IT...which likely could be never.

You'd have a hard time paying me enough to manage that project to make it worth it.

I have been through this myself as a project manager. Updating and changing a db this size with this many active users is a gigantic mess. No matter what they do there is risk, and its compounded risk. if the update fails, things break, or the service goes dead and millions of people cannot even login until they recover.

I could relate the stress filled nightmare that my project was, but its pointless. Suffice it to say that even in a Fortune 100 changing even a db with 26K active daily users was a risk and required most of a weekend to accomplish, biting nails the whole way.

This is orders of magnitude larger and more complex, though granted they certainly have more people than I did.

Using the username itself as a primary key is itself a boneheaded, amateur move. My last project was managing a technical deployment for a healthcare system with 5.3 million active weekly users that was level-2 HITRUST compliant, and we still were able to accommodate requests like this regularly.

ETA: and I absolutely would manage a change project of this magnitude - but that's just more personal desperation to never have to deal with HIPAA and HITRUST again :P
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Pscht 1. Mai 2023 um 14:41 
Hindsight is 20/20, amirite. Now you just have to build a time machine and travel back to 2003 or thereabouts.
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Hindsight is 20/20, amirite. Now you just have to build a time machine and travel back to 2003 or thereabouts.

I mean..... it sounds like there's a pretty big technical debt issue already, which is only going to get worse as time goes on. Sitting around and lamenting that it was implemented wrong or wasn't planned well initially doesn't actually change the fact that it's a problem that will need correction at some point.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:
It is not astounding at all.

Username is the primary key of the homegrown database. Changing the primary key of a database not impossible, but is a large risk.

Risk as in, Steam would likely need to be down for part of a day. if anything went wrong, it would be longer.

Risk include loss of game entitlements, inventories, and anything else (everything else) because the primary key of the database is what ties it all together.

What they did is was not unusual at the time. Unfortunately, Valve did not address this very early on and now it is a monster of a problem. A monster of a problem that they will not touch unless and until they absolutely HAVE TO DO IT...which likely could be never.

You'd have a hard time paying me enough to manage that project to make it worth it.

I have been through this myself as a project manager. Updating and changing a db this size with this many active users is a gigantic mess. No matter what they do there is risk, and its compounded risk. if the update fails, things break, or the service goes dead and millions of people cannot even login until they recover.

I could relate the stress filled nightmare that my project was, but its pointless. Suffice it to say that even in a Fortune 100 changing even a db with 26K active daily users was a risk and required most of a weekend to accomplish, biting nails the whole way.

This is orders of magnitude larger and more complex, though granted they certainly have more people than I did.

Using the username itself as a primary key is itself a boneheaded, amateur move. My last project was managing a technical deployment for a healthcare system with 5.3 million active weekly users that was level-2 HITRUST compliant, and we still were able to accommodate requests like this regularly.

ETA: and I absolutely would manage a change project of this magnitude - but that's just more personal desperation to never have to deal with HIPAA and HITRUST again :P

It was and is. Back then though, not so much. They can actually be forgiven for the implementation.

It should have been corrected a very long time ago though, like pre-2010. Valve has almost no management though and something like this will require someone in Valve to be personally motivated to change it...or they are going to reach a point that for some reason they HAVE to.

I dont see it happening, personally. Should it? Of course it should. Changing usernames on a service like this is actually a security issue. Once your username is in the wild you have a problem that could easily be remedied.

I dont really have a dog in the fight. I just understand the issue and risk, mostly anyway from previous staff comments and an annoying project for an entitled customer. Like, I REALLY understand why they wouldnt want to.

Like, what other strangeness is buried in that DB that would need t be sortes out? They might have the additional issue of no one really knowing why what was done was, so no one wants to touch it.

One company I worked for was deep into constantly adding front ends to front ends for ancient systems that I am convinced, deep in the basement of a worn down building in Rochester there is a mummy of a man living there and keeping a punch card computer running to this day. ;)
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ria3335:
It's *astounding* you can't change your account name.

It's 2023, I have like seven different reasons I want to change my account name, and it's ludicrous that there's apparently literally no option at all to do so. I've literally changed my name on legal documents and banking accounts and myriad other game and service accounts, it's really bizarre and backwards that Steam can't accommodate this in any fashion.

Not astounding at all. No one currently working for Valve has this on their to do list. MikeB left ages ago and this is what Jay (another employee that left Valve) had to say way back when...

https://web.archive.org/web/20170526211558/http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=26088889

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I really don't get why people want this so badly.

For one, only you see it when you log in. That's it.

Secondly, given the amount of users Steam has nowadays, there's a high likelihood the username you want to change it to is already taken.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ria3335:

Using the username itself as a primary key is itself a boneheaded, amateur move. My last project was managing a technical deployment for a healthcare system with 5.3 million active weekly users that was level-2 HITRUST compliant, and we still were able to accommodate requests like this regularly.

ETA: and I absolutely would manage a change project of this magnitude - but that's just more personal desperation to never have to deal with HIPAA and HITRUST again :P

User names probably aren't a primary key. They're probably a unique index. You shouldn't believe everything someone who's just guessing at the database structure and making claims because they know a few keywords.

This is fair.

Or would you like to hear it runs off MS Access and some data is stored in Excel spreadsheets too? How smug would that make you feel?

This is weird.



At any rate having usernames be immutable isn't so crazy. Lots of systems don't let you change your username, even in 2023. Like go change the username on your email account...

...I literally just changed my email account with my ISP, and it took all of three minutes, this is a weird false equivalency to make.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ria3335:

Using the username itself as a primary key is itself a boneheaded, amateur move. My last project was managing a technical deployment for a healthcare system with 5.3 million active weekly users that was level-2 HITRUST compliant, and we still were able to accommodate requests like this regularly.

ETA: and I absolutely would manage a change project of this magnitude - but that's just more personal desperation to never have to deal with HIPAA and HITRUST again :P

User names probably aren't a primary key. They're probably a unique index. You shouldn't believe everything someone who's just guessing at the database structure and making claims because they know a few keywords.

Or would you like to hear it runs off MS Access and some data is stored in Excel spreadsheets too? How smug would that make you feel?

At any rate having usernames be immutable isn't so crazy. Lots of systems don't let you change your username, even in 2023. Like go change the username on your email account...

Its not a guess. It came from BurtonJ's own lips years ago. It is a confirmed statement.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von AmsterdamHeavy:

Its not a guess. It came from BurtonJ's own lips years ago. It is a confirmed statement.

Citation needed.

Scroll up.

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I'd like to change mine, but why worry that much? No one can see it but you (and Steam, obviously). No big deal.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ria3335:

...I literally just changed my email account with my ISP, and it took all of three minutes, this is a weird false equivalency to make.

It was a bit of a gamble on my part, but I'm totally not surprised that you're ignoring major email providers and the underlying point about many systems not having a username change feature because you can claim an exception with your ISP.

Nothing is true because there's always an exception isn't there?

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Its not a guess. It came from BurtonJ's own lips years ago. It is a confirmed statement.

Citation needed.

https://i.imgur.com/tFER4.png

Of course as you can see over a decade later, that didn't come to fruition.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Ria3335:
Using the username itself as a primary key is itself a boneheaded, amateur move. My last project was managing a technical deployment for a healthcare system with 5.3 million active weekly users that was level-2 HITRUST compliant, and we still were able to accommodate requests like this regularly.

ETA: and I absolutely would manage a change project of this magnitude - but that's just more personal desperation to never have to deal with HIPAA and HITRUST again :P

let's assume you are right, and it was a bonehead move

it is one that was done two decades ago, not this year

it is what it is and i do not want them to mess with how it works for the relatively few people that would use this

as someone with hands on experience, you know how something that seems simple in the pc world can turn into a disaster at the scale they would be implementing this change



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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pscht:
Hindsight is 20/20, amirite. Now you just have to build a time machine and travel back to 2003 or thereabouts.

I mean..... it sounds like there's a pretty big technical debt issue already, which is only going to get worse as time goes on. Sitting around and lamenting that it was implemented wrong or wasn't planned well initially doesn't actually change the fact that it's a problem that will need correction at some point.


besides not being able to change your name, what other problems do you foresee?
Account name and profile name is 2 very different indentity.
Account name is like your bank account name and drivers lisense name, profile name is like a an identity name for the public forums.It can be changed often.
Nowhere in the world of business can you change your acount name without losing the connection to that account that name is tied to.

If what your saying is true here>I've literally changed my name on legal documents and banking accounts and myriad other game and service accounts"

That you have changed your account name numerous times on legal docs and banking docs BS then you have closed one account and created a new account.
Steam games are tied to one account name for ever.
If you dont like your current account change the name and say good bye to your games..
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