removing the free to play title from greedy games with scummy economic methods in game

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Fluxie 26 ABR 2023 a las 1:02 a. m.

here im thinking of a game like war thunder, they over the years made it increasingly insane to play for free, they are forcing people into paying money to sustain or to get over the mindless grind to unlock vehicles, normally i think if a game is free and it has the grind vs spend some money to skip the grind its all fair, but at this stage its just gotten to a a disgusting point where the grind will take months of your life to get anywhere, then adding more economic changes that are just screwing over the player base and using some rather scummy ways to push the ideas through, latest big one was making the community decide if the they wanted to change the formula of reward on win / loses, and since people are not bright enough to do basic math or logically thinking, this resulted in the entire community getting giga shafted. i think at this point we need to consider that if a "free to play" game is making it so greedy and scummy that an avg person cant sustain playing the entire game for free, then such a game need to lose its privilege of being called a free to play title

each patch they are also just making more and more p2w broken ♥♥♥♥ that forces people to pay to stand a decent chance of winning and sadly atm its also just added a strange amount of russian propaganda which is also kinda disgusting

i personally think that games should be held accountable for their actions, how they treat their player base, it used to be that premiums were balanced and part of the game, but since they screwed over the player base so hard, people will join matches, using their premium vehicles and if they die they just leave the game, which screws over the entire match, you will have half your team leave since they are only premium players and they cant afford to play without it, so they dont even try, its a terrible thing for the community as a whole and because of all these bad additions and just scummy practices i think that gaijin should have their free to play listing removed

i hope other people would agree with me so that we can all enjoy games that are claiming to be free to play, rather then seeing the insane pay wall that keeps growing over time while still pretending to be free to play

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Sleepy Yoshi 28 ABR 2023 a las 2:21 a. m.

I mean you won't get any argument from me there. It's a bit odd to watch people complaining about something with one hand while opening their wallet with the other. Feel pretty similar on pre-orders, lootboxes, etc. But all I can do is control my own actions and not support things I think are harmful or predatory.

Última edición por Sleepy Yoshi; 28 ABR 2023 a las 2:23 a. m.

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Crazy Tiger 28 ABR 2023 a las 2:40 a. m.

Publicado originalmente por Fluxie:
Publicado originalmente por Sleepy Yoshi:
Considering libel laws and the fact Valve filters out "pay to win" (and basically anything else negative) as a user generated tag, I don't think we're ever going to see Valve directly list games as "pay to win" or any derivation of, given it's negative connotations.

the issue is until people start actually being vocal, then these scummy ways of driving games wont change, and sadly all the apes rather just give money to a company then deal with the issue, i mean all of this wouldnt be an issue if people just stopped giving them money and demanded they fix the issues with p2w and other mega issues in the game. but losers rather spend money on a game to avoid suffering rather then stop them from making people have to suffer. just stupidity

Welcome to humanity. And that's also why it won't change. Gamers aren't a homogeneous group, it's a lot of individuals with lots of individual opinions, preferences, incomes, etc. The people who complain online are the minority, always have been and always will be. The majority that is mostly the target audience doesn't post online and simply enjoys their game.

And that's the same for all the things people complain online about. Whether it's MTX, lootboxes, DLC, Denuvo, Epic, etc. Some people complain, the majority doesn't care one bit.

We might not participate in the purchasing of MTX, but one person likely compensates that on their own. Such is reality. Sometimes we're not part (anymore) of the target audience of a game. That's fine.

#32

BJWyler 28 ABR 2023 a las 3:36 a. m.

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Consider you may not be the target of certain games.

No way!

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Sometimes games are not made for you.

Oh, come on now, you're just being silly!

Publicado originalmente por Sleepy Yoshi:
But all I can do is control my own actions and not support things I think are harmful or predatory.

What?! That's just crazy talk!

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Gamers aren't a homogeneous group, it's a lot of individuals with lots of individual opinions, preferences, incomes, etc. The majority that is mostly the target audience doesn't post online and simply enjoys their game.

Some people complain, the majority doesn't care one bit.

Sometimes we're not part (anymore) of the target audience of a game. That's fine.

I simply cannot believe any of this is true.

Hogwash, I say. Every game should be created to appeal to my tastes and desires, no matter what it is. If I want to play a game, it should be fun for me no matter what. Every single person who plays games should only like the things I like in a game, and no one should ever support the things I don't like. I am the only judge for what is good for games and the industry. Anyone else just completely ruins gaming forever....

Did I hit the mark, or am I completely wrong in my thinking here?

#33

Fluxie 28 ABR 2023 a las 4:36 a. m.

Publicado originalmente por BJWyler:
Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Consider you may not be the target of certain games.
No way!

Publicado originalmente por Tito Shivan:
Sometimes games are not made for you.
Oh, come on now, you're just being silly!

Publicado originalmente por Sleepy Yoshi:
But all I can do is control my own actions and not support things I think are harmful or predatory.
What?! That's just crazy talk!

Publicado originalmente por Crazy Tiger:
Gamers aren't a homogeneous group, it's a lot of individuals with lots of individual opinions, preferences, incomes, etc. The majority that is mostly the target audience doesn't post online and simply enjoys their game.

Some people complain, the majority doesn't care one bit.

Sometimes we're not part (anymore) of the target audience of a game. That's fine.
I simply cannot believe any of this is true.

Hogwash, I say. Every game should be created to appeal to my tastes and desires, no matter what it is. If I want to play a game, it should be fun for me no matter what. Every single person who plays games should only like the things I like in a game, and no one should ever support the things I don't like. I am the only judge for what is good for games and the industry. Anyone else just completely ruins gaming forever....

Did I hit the mark, or am I completely wrong in my thinking here?

leave it to muricans to lower the bar... thanks

#34

Tanoomba 28 ABR 2023 a las 4:41 a. m.

Publicado originalmente por Fluxie:
leave it to muricans to lower the bar... thanks

Nobody's "lowering the bar". The point is that everyone has their own bar, and it's not for you to decide that your personal values, tastes and preferences represent the golden standard. The industry does not owe you only games you want.

#35

Tito Shivan 28 ABR 2023 a las 5:01 a. m.

Publicado originalmente por Tanoomba:
Nobody's "lowering the bar". The point is that everyone has their own bar

"When I was younger I had free time but no money. Now I'm older, I have the money but no free time."

For some, spending money for something is a better deal than spending time on it. Of course some will go out and monetize that. Of course that business isn't made for people who think the opposite and they may even feel cheated.

#36

slider86 28 ABR 2023 a las 1:01 p. m.

Publicado originalmente por Tanoomba:
Nobody's "lowering the bar". The point is that everyone has their own bar, and it's not for you to decide that your personal values, tastes and preferences represent the golden standard. The industry does not owe you only games you want.

May I ask a question? We all know you're very anti-consumer but have you ever stuck up in threads for consumers? Would love to see a thread where you do.

#37

Ducks on Fire 28 ABR 2023 a las 1:48 p. m.

Publicado originalmente por slider86:
Publicado originalmente por Tanoomba:
Nobody's "lowering the bar". The point is that everyone has their own bar, and it's not for you to decide that your personal values, tastes and preferences represent the golden standard. The industry does not owe you only games you want.
May I ask a question? We all know you're very anti-consumer but have you ever stuck up in threads for consumers? Would love to see a thread where you do.

What was anti-consumer about that? And this is definitely not the thread to stick up for the consumer. OP is literally complaining about a game that they don't even have to spend any money to play. They could just not play the game instead of coming here and deciding their definition pf "free to play" is the valid one.

Maybe if consumers would practice more self control, do research on things they are planning on buying, stop supporting companies who do things they don't like, then maybe some of the issues will actually go away. And if they don't then who cares? You stopped spending money on such things so it shouldn't be your concern if other people do.

Why do companies release pay to win games? Because people still spend money on them. Why do companies bundle useless extras with pre-orders? Because people still spend money on them. Why do companies release games with major bugs and a lack of content? Because people still spend money on them. And that's not even meant to be a criticism of those people. We all have different preferences and for many people those things are not a big deal.

I agree that we need more consumer friendly policies, but I think that we also need to put some responsibility on the consumer to make informed decisions as well as to realize that not every product is going to be custom tailored for them. And again OP is complaining that the free to play game doesn't meet their expectations. Why is it more reasonable to change the definition of "free to play" so that they get a sense of satisfaction from punishing a game for not being the way they want rather than just saying that they should stop playing and find something else they'd enjoy more?

#38

davidb11 28 ABR 2023 a las 2:13 p. m.

Publicado originalmente por Fluxie:
Publicado originalmente por BJWyler:
No way!

Oh, come on now, you're just being silly!

What?! That's just crazy talk!

I simply cannot believe any of this is true.

Hogwash, I say. Every game should be created to appeal to my tastes and desires, no matter what it is. If I want to play a game, it should be fun for me no matter what. Every single person who plays games should only like the things I like in a game, and no one should ever support the things I don't like. I am the only judge for what is good for games and the industry. Anyone else just completely ruins gaming forever....

Did I hit the mark, or am I completely wrong in my thinking here?
leave it to muricans to lower the bar... thanks