Age verification for opening cases in csgo

[Enriko]

'Counter-Strike: Global Offensive' should introduce an age verification system. Right now, because of the gambling legislation in some countries, no one can open cases. While in most of these countries there is only an minimum age in place (in the Netherlands it's 18 for example). So no one in an entire country can open cases, because there is a small group of people under 18.

Personally I would be more than happy to fund Gaben by buying keys. As I am older then 18 years old.

I would like to know what you all think on this

[Boblin the Goblin]

The age verification measures that would need to be in place are measures Valve is not willing to do.

The fix for this would be contacting your legislation to change the age verification process.

[BJWyler]

While many people think Age Verification for this would be easy peasy, it in fact, would not.

Simply slapping on an age input page, as is done when visiting the storefront for certain games, like ones with a mature rating, would not be satisfactory in terms of something like this. It would not protect Valve from legal action, which is the most important consideration.

You would have to have an entire Age Verification infrastructure implemented and supported so that the identity and age of the person could be verified. That is not a cheap and easy task. It also can run afoul of other legislation in regards to privacy rights for minors.

[76561199496784570]

in all honestly csgo should be a age 18 game anyway it is touching on some extreme violence , hostage situations and terrorist activity , it is not a game for children, that being said i think because of the games nature that need for case age verification is void. because only adults should be playing csgo, and if a adult can't tell that case key purchasing is gambling, then they have a disorder and should seek real mental health addiction support.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 my little unicorn：

in all honestly csgo should be a age 18 game anyway it is touching on some extreme violence , hostage situations and terrorist activity , it is not a game for children, that being said i think because of the games nature that need for case age verification is void. because only adults should be playing csgo, and if a adult can't tell that case key purchasing is gambling, then they have a disorder and should seek real mental health addiction support.

It is rated 'M'.[www.esrb.org]

[Gwarsbane]

引用自 Enriko.io：

'Counter-Strike: Global Offensive' should introduce an age verification system. Right now, because of the gambling legislation in some countries, no one can open cases. While in most of these countries there is only an minimum age in place (in the Netherlands it's 18 for example). So no one in an entire country can open cases, because there is a small group of people under 18.

Personally I would be more than happy to fund Gaben by buying keys. As I am older then 18 years old.

I would like to know what you all think on this

Seeing that in most countries, Valve has no way to actually verify who is sitting behind the keyboard or even verify someones ID, this would be pointless.

No government in their right mind would ever give a gaming company access to the private data in their government ID database.

In some countries there is no national database anyway. For example, Canada and US. Each State and Province has their own IDs. There is no "US Citizen ID" or "Canadian Citizen ID".

In some cases even asking for ID would be illegal in some countries because Valve is a foreign company and even if they weren't, laws would have to be changed to allow for a game company to ask for ID.

They can't send in a copy of the ID, that can easily be faked.

You can do live Deep Fakes now too, which means even if the video is live people on the other end can be fooled. Seen an older woman fool lots of people by making them think she was like early 20s, till one day her software failed and the real her was seen.

And like at a bar, if even one underage kid snuck in with a fake ID, Valve would be in so much trouble. I've seen bars closed down because too many kids were sneaking in with fake IDs which were not being caught at the door.


Then there is a huge cost. We're not talking about hundreds of people, this is 23+ million active accounts a day, 140+ million active accounts a month over 1 billion accounts in total.

And it wouldn't be a 1 time thing though, they would need to verify every time someone signed in, and every time someone tried to open anything to do with gambling.

I think shutting down anything to do with loot boxes would be much simpler.

[76561199496784570]

then it had the right user rating, "M" and everything is ok, If a kid would break those terms of service and play the game when they shouldn't they are the ones breaking the law and can not hold the developer or the company at fault. They where warned the game was for mature audiences , in worst case if a kid played the game and then commit a crime saying the game drove them to do it, this would create alot of backlash but again would ultimately be the childs fault. there are many platforms that do the same things, they cater games towards adults that children become fixated on becasue the games are represented byside childrens games.

Csgo has some popularity , and it is free, it is flagshipped as steams most successful game, all these things make it sorta problematic because kids do not listen, they are easily lured and easily taken advantage of by the buy a case game, C.o.d. mobile has also done this to kids as well

honestly one of the biggest issues i have with all of it, is not the people buying the cases, or spending money, but that they are subject to being robbed on the platform via trading, it would be a good idea for steam to take a extra level of trade security that all trades should have to be reviewed, that low sale trades for low amounts should not be approved, whole inventory trades should not be approved, and steam should not allow any epic or extremely rare trades to ever happen.

partly because it only increases the fraud and user account theft and it also encourages cheating on the csgo platform. users are free to buy cases or keys but those items should remain within the purchasing account and should be removed by steam from trade.

also i note alot of high level csgo players who do cheat an have tons of skins, most where traded for as the community itself is a questionable fraud community of cheaters and hackers, stealing items from foolish people lured into the pay for skin game.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 my little unicorn：

then it had the right user rating, "M" and everything is ok, If a kid would break those terms of service and play the game when they shouldn't they are the ones breaking the law and can not hold the developer or the company at fault. They where warned the game was for mature audiences , in worst case if a kid played the game and then commit a crime saying the game drove them to do it, this would create alot of backlash but again would ultimately be the childs fault. there are many platforms that do the same things, they cater games towards adults that children become fixated on becasue the games are represented byside childrens games.

Csgo has some popularity , and it is free, it is flagshipped as steams most successful game, all these things make it sorta problematic because kids do not listen, they are easily lured and easily taken advantage of by the buy a case game, C.o.d. mobile has also done this to kids as well

honestly one of the biggest issues i have with all of it, is not the people buying the cases, or spending money, but that they are subject to being robbed on the platform via trading, it would be a good idea for steam to take a extra level of trade security that all trades should have to be reviewed, that low sale trades for low amounts should not be approved, whole inventory trades should not be approved, and steam should not allow any epic or extremely rare trades to ever happen.

partly because it only increases the fraud and user account theft and it also encourages cheating on the csgo platform. users are free to buy cases or keys but those items should remain within the purchasing account and should be removed by steam from trade.

also i note alot of high level csgo players who do cheat an have tons of skins, most where traded for as the community itself is a questionable fraud community of cheaters and hackers, stealing items from foolish people lured into the pay for skin game.

The ESRB rating is not legally binding. It is only there to inform customers what the game contains.

The ESRB has no legal power and their ratings have no legal ground if ignored.

[Satoru]

引用自 SlowMango：

引用自 my little unicorn：

then it had the right user rating, "M" and everything is ok, If a kid would break those terms of service and play the game when they shouldn't they are the ones breaking the law and can not hold the developer or the company at fault. They where warned the game was for mature audiences , in worst case if a kid played the game and then commit a crime saying the game drove them to do it, this would create alot of backlash but again would ultimately be the childs fault. there are many platforms that do the same things, they cater games towards adults that children become fixated on becasue the games are represented byside childrens games.

Csgo has some popularity , and it is free, it is flagshipped as steams most successful game, all these things make it sorta problematic because kids do not listen, they are easily lured and easily taken advantage of by the buy a case game, C.o.d. mobile has also done this to kids as well

honestly one of the biggest issues i have with all of it, is not the people buying the cases, or spending money, but that they are subject to being robbed on the platform via trading, it would be a good idea for steam to take a extra level of trade security that all trades should have to be reviewed, that low sale trades for low amounts should not be approved, whole inventory trades should not be approved, and steam should not allow any epic or extremely rare trades to ever happen.

partly because it only increases the fraud and user account theft and it also encourages cheating on the csgo platform. users are free to buy cases or keys but those items should remain within the purchasing account and should be removed by steam from trade.

also i note alot of high level csgo players who do cheat an have tons of skins, most where traded for as the community itself is a questionable fraud community of cheaters and hackers, stealing items from foolish people lured into the pay for skin game.

The ESRB rating is not legally binding. It is only there to inform customers what the game contains.

The ESRB has no legal power and their ratings have no legal ground if ignored.

Also note the ESRB is a content rating system.

You could put actual slot machines that need real money into the next Pokémon game and it would be rated E

Genshin Impact which has far worse loot box mechanics than anything Valve has come up with, is rated T

[AustrAlien2010]

We always make our own models and skins, and don't really care about CSGO or buying anything in the first place.

[76561199496784570]

im pretty sure that uploading your own skins into csgo would get you banned from the game due to file integrety issues. this is also the case with people who try and up load models of players to make them stand out.

its 2023 people have been lead an lured into buying microtransactions since 2008 its a thing, but parents need to teach children better , and parents themselves need to be learn better from the mistakes of others.

i am aware of the situation only because i seen gaming friends lose 1000's on some mobile games, they are tricked into continuously paying sometimes daily for items that aren't needed, such as skins. while its become a huge market for gaming companies at the same time new safe guards should be in place for users who buy them.

that includes removing the ability to sell or share those skins they paid for. that should really be steams first step into securing its platfrom from account theft, that if money can be made on steam by 3rd parties they will find a way to lure people in.

steam has choosen to take a no contest, no help policy in the trading, so it would be better if steam took a No trading policy instead. if you want something you have to buy it off steam, there is no trading. i think it would not only benefit steam users, but would benefit steam, and lower the actual theft and highrate of cheating within the csgo platform.

currently alot of hackers get banned by vac after months , however they quickly get new skins by trade, removing the trading system within csgo and csgo2 will force those users to pay for skins directly from steam, not 3rd partys, over all it will cut down on the malicious abuse going on with steam accounts an scams involded with trading scams and fraud.

[DiamondMX]

引用自 my little unicorn：

its 2023 people have been lead an lured into buying microtransactions since 2008 its a thing, but parents need to teach children better , and parents themselves need to be learn better from the mistakes of others.

Keep in mind these games are engineered specifically to exploit the young, neurodiverse, and vulnerable - they use well documented psychological manipulation techniques to target people who have less ability to reject the draw of the endorphin machines. They are very effective (which is why free to play games often make much more money than paid games)

Don't blame the victims of the predation, blame the predators. And if it doesn't work on you, then that's not because it's not predatory, it's because you're not the intended victim.

[Boblin the Goblin]

引用自 DiamondMX：

引用自 my little unicorn：

its 2023 people have been lead an lured into buying microtransactions since 2008 its a thing, but parents need to teach children better , and parents themselves need to be learn better from the mistakes of others.

Keep in mind these games are engineered specifically to exploit the young, neurodiverse, and vulnerable - they use well documented psychological manipulation techniques to target people who have less ability to reject the draw of the endorphin machines. They are very effective (which is why free to play games often make much more money than paid games)

Don't blame the victims of the predation, blame the predators. And if it doesn't work on you, then that's not because it's not predatory, it's because you're not the intended victim.

The techniques you are speaking of are not present in TF2 or CSGO cases.