Make the Steam forums an unmoderated free for all.

[.]

There's really no point in enforcing rules on a series of forums which need no moderation. Game developers clearly refuse to read the boards and acknowledge problems with their product. People clearly do not respect opposing points of view.

So let's just let everything be free of moderation so we can all say what we want without having to filter it.

If we don't like people, we can block them.

Easy.

[Tito Shivan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

If they have no obligation to show respect because they're a customer, why should anyone have any obligation to show them respect because they're a corporation?

Not replying in the forums isn't a disrespect. You're basically requesting to turn the forums into a dumpster fire because sempai isn't noticing you.

That's not going to work either and there's lots of people who may need the forums you've turned into an unmoderated, unusable mess.

Again, you're not owed dev attention.

[.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

If they have no obligation to show respect because they're a customer, why should anyone have any obligation to show them respect because they're a corporation?

Not every dev is a corporation. In fact, a great majority aren't.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Also, what I'm suggesting is that they are left with no choice but to pay attention to their various avenues of criticism. Why are you so opposed to this?

You are suggested bullying a developer through a mob.

Let me ask you something.

When Hogwarts Legacy was released, there was giant push-back from a lot of people about the game. Should the devs not been allowed to moderate their forums and be forced to listened or address those people because they considered themselves right?

They shouldn't have been allowed to moderate their forums because honestly, they deserved it. JK Rowling's vile actions had consequences. If you're asking me to take pity on a publisher like Warner Bros., who have more money than I can even dream of, then you're really asking too much from me. You cannot bully a large corporation; they're too powerful for that.


Even if developers don't incorporate, then they're still accountable for their product, for they are providing a service as any person is. If you bought a faulty vacuum cleaner, you'd expect it to be fixed. Same concept applies here.

[Valerie]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tito Shivan:

That's not going to work either and there's lots of people who may need the forums you've turned into an unmoderated, unusable mess.

This point alone is good enough to stand on it's own. I use forums a lot for games to ask questions, get help, or help others. OP's suggestion would turn it into the text equivalent of CoD lobbies and scammers. Drowning out countless threads of asking for help.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

Not every dev is a corporation. In fact, a great majority aren't.




You are suggested bullying a developer through a mob.

Let me ask you something.

When Hogwarts Legacy was released, there was giant push-back from a lot of people about the game. Should the devs not been allowed to moderate their forums and be forced to listened or address those people because they considered themselves right?

They shouldn't have been allowed to moderate their forums because honestly, they deserved it.

You just showed the true intention behind your suggestion by stating this.

This isn't about allowing a free discussion. This is about you feeling you deserve interaction from a developer regardless of how disrespectful you are to them. It's about wanting control.

That's it.

[.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

You just showed the true intention behind your suggestion by stating this.

Tell me in earnest why they didn't deserve what happened in regards to the backlash they received over Rowling's discriminatory behaviors.

[The Commendatore]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

Not every dev is a corporation. In fact, a great majority aren't.




You are suggested bullying a developer through a mob.

Let me ask you something.

When Hogwarts Legacy was released, there was giant push-back from a lot of people about the game. Should the devs not been allowed to moderate their forums and be forced to listened or address those people because they considered themselves right?

They shouldn't have been allowed to moderate their forums because honestly, they deserved it. And it was hilarious all the while, because JK Rowling is a vile person. If you're asking me to take pity on a publisher like Warner Bros., who have more money than I can even dream of, then you're really asking too much from me. You cannot bully a large corporation; they're too powerful for that.


Even if developers don't incorporate, then they're still accountable for their product, for they are providing a service as any person is. If you bought a faulty vacuum cleaner, you'd expect it to be fixed. Same concept applies here.

Oh, no! An author has a different opinion than you...

Anyway...

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

You just showed the true intention behind your suggestion by stating this.

Tell me in earnest why they didn't deserve what happened in regards to the backlash they received over Rowling's discriminatory behaviors.

Because they are not Rowling nor do they share her views.

Even then, I wouldn't even argue Rowling deserves most of what happens to her regardless of her views being trash.

[KalGimpa]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

You just showed the true intention behind your suggestion by stating this.

Tell me in earnest why they didn't deserve what happened in regards to the backlash they received over Rowling's discriminatory behaviors.

nobody owes you a public platform to air your displeasure

write a note

write an email

create your own site or blog

all available to you to complain as loud as you want

[Crazy Tiger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

You just showed the true intention behind your suggestion by stating this.

Tell me in earnest why they didn't deserve what happened in regards to the backlash they received over Rowling's discriminatory behaviors.

The game devs aren't Rowling, she wasn't even actively involved in the game creation. It's pure nonsense that the game devs should get backlash for Rowlings statements just because they make a Harry Potter game.

[.]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Tell me in earnest why they didn't deserve what happened in regards to the backlash they received over Rowling's discriminatory behaviors.

Because they are not Rowling nor do they share her views.

Even then, I wouldn't even argue Rowling deserves most of what happens to her regardless of her views being trash.

I think we're at an impasse.

I think that corporations are incapable of having any accountability when releasing their products here on Steam. My suggestion is to make them face the music. Your suggestion is to keep the status quo and allow for developers to continue releasing product which doesn't meet the bare minimum standards of quality.

Maybe my solution of letting their discussion forums go to waste is a bad one, but I'd love to hear an alternative rather than "just keep the status quo".

Was nice hearing your point of view, however. I learned a thing or two from it.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SlowMango:

Because they are not Rowling nor do they share her views.

Even then, I wouldn't even argue Rowling deserves most of what happens to her regardless of her views being trash.

I think we're at an impasse.

I think that corporations are incapable of having any accountability when releasing their products here on Steam. My suggestion is to make them face the music.

That is not your suggestion in the slightest.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Garbage:

Your suggestion is to keep the status quo and allow for developers to continue releasing product which doesn't meet the bare minimum standards of quality.

This is also completely false.

[eram]

i have a way better idea, make every user a mod..

zero issues will arise.

[Mad Scientist]

When making a suggestion to Valve, it should be in regard to Valve. It should not be because a Game Developer is not giving attention to a particular person or because people are associating it with an individual that simply owns the title & gets royalties which is uninvolved in the project due to individuals disagreeing with her views on subjects which has become overly political.

Game Devs may run their hub as they please, Steam Moderation & Valve is also known to get involved when a game makes the news which attracts people largely with very bad intentions which seek to troll the area, harass game owners, and otherwise cause intentional disruption due to differing political views on a subject.

They are not obligated to pay attention to a particular user or people, and any involved party may take action against those who want to cause disruption. This is a good example why moderation is so very important when people just assign strongly negative connotations & accusations against a Developer because of an uninvolved persons personal opinions on a given subject.

You may contact the person you personally dislike, sometimes the individual even responds on twitter but tends to roast people that try in front of everyone ie for the public to see. Regardless, this is clearly not a good suggestion & would result in chaos for game hubs let alone the forums. It really does show why when a game makes news, the game hub is focused on for moderation. Discuss the game in good faith or don't post is the best advice I have for people other than contacting a party they dislike if they want to be vocal about their own opinion, which has little to no place in a game hub.

It's not going to be opened to a free-for-all & especially for rampant political trolling of people that have nothing to do with it other than owning the title/world-of the title.

[The Commendatore]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

i have a way better idea, make every user a mod..

zero issues will arise.

I 110% support this. Get banned? Just unban yourself!

[eram]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Commendatore:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von eram:

i have a way better idea, make every user a mod..

zero issues will arise.

I 110% support this. Get banned? Just unban yourself!

been there done that.. highly recommend doing it if you ever get the chance.

air control 2007 ish :D