Ramstar 6 ABR 2023 a las 15:11
Add a ‘meh’ option on a review?
I’ve never liked the like/dislike option so I always choose ‘like’ even if it was meh and explain why.

Come to think of it, I’ve never in 30 odd years of gaming not liked a game outright.

I don’t think it’s right to discourage indie devs especially even if the game was pants.

We all know there’s really unreasonable people out there usually kids that pay 15 bucks for a game (that they prob didn’t even pay for) and play it for 30 hours and dislike the game on review. Developers shouldn’t be punished for entitlement issues..

Where else would you have spent 15 bucks for 30 hours of entertainment.

I can imagine with the current number of reviews on steam this may be a pain to switch up, but point is this isn’t a binary choice with all factors involved and there’s no middle ground currently to pick.
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Start_Running 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:00 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Valve is not stupid... well, not THAT stupid. They know that such change would have an impact on sales so they don't want people to give their honest opinion about games like "this one is just meh". Recommended is much better than that, and when people feel divided about a game, many of them end up choosing the positive alternative.

Of course, you can write on your review that a game is just meh, but only 20 people will read that lol.


It has nothing to do with sales.

The question asked is a simple 'Yes or No' question.
It would affect sales, it would be a literal godsend for the developers of genuinely bad games since such a review could up their average and make them look more appealing, because people don't wanna hurt the poor devs fee-fees.

Whereas It would conceivable make life harder for the genuinely good games because people don't wanna look like fanboys.

At the end of the day Meh is just a second No. and there's alread a No option. It's called No.



Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
And they didn't allow negative reviews years ago.
Or rather they didn't capture non-recommendations.

Now they do., and the system has worked great ever since. Except for people who lack the ability to express or comprehend nuance.
Pierce Dalton 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:04 
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:


It has nothing to do with sales.

The question asked is a simple 'Yes or No' question.
It would affect sales, it would be a literal godsend for the developers of genuinely bad games since such a review could up their average and make them look more appealing, because people don't wanna hurt the poor devs fee-fees.

Whereas It would conceivable make life harder for the genuinely good games because people don't wanna look like fanboys.

At the end of the day Meh is just a second No. and there's alread a No option. It's called No.



Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
And they didn't allow negative reviews years ago.
Or rather they didn't capture non-recommendations.

Now they do., and the system has worked great ever since. Except for people who lack the ability to express or comprehend nuance.

It doesn't matter how great is your ability to express anything. How many people do you think have read your reviews?
The Presence 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:05 
Publicado originalmente por The Commendatore:
I consider a meh stance to be indifferent or neutral, so I wouldn't even bother writing a review.
Boblin the Goblin 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:06 
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
It would affect sales, it would be a literal godsend for the developers of genuinely bad games since such a review could up their average and make them look more appealing, because people don't wanna hurt the poor devs fee-fees.

Whereas It would conceivable make life harder for the genuinely good games because people don't wanna look like fanboys.

At the end of the day Meh is just a second No. and there's alread a No option. It's called No.




Or rather they didn't capture non-recommendations.

Now they do., and the system has worked great ever since. Except for people who lack the ability to express or comprehend nuance.

It doesn't matter how great is your ability to express anything. How many people do you think have read your reviews?


If users don't read reviews, then there's not point to add another option for them to ignore.
Start_Running 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:11 
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
It would affect sales, it would be a literal godsend for the developers of genuinely bad games since such a review could up their average and make them look more appealing, because people don't wanna hurt the poor devs fee-fees.

Whereas It would conceivable make life harder for the genuinely good games because people don't wanna look like fanboys.

At the end of the day Meh is just a second No. and there's alread a No option. It's called No.




Or rather they didn't capture non-recommendations.

Now they do., and the system has worked great ever since. Except for people who lack the ability to express or comprehend nuance.

It doesn't matter how great is your ability to express anything. How many people do you think have read your reviews?
As many as wanted to.
I mean that's just the silliest argument I've heard. 'But everyone can;t see it so it's pointless'.
Pierce Dalton 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:16 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

It doesn't matter how great is your ability to express anything. How many people do you think have read your reviews?


If users don't read reviews, then there's not point to add another option for them to ignore.

You're not very imaginative, are you?

In fact, they wouldn't need to read anything. 3 bars should represent the reviews for a game:

GTA 6
--------------------------- (positive)
------------------------------------------------------ (meh)
-------------- (negative)




Well, I guess no one would want that, right? Valve and Rockstar wouldn't be happy... this is better:


GTA 6
------------------------------------- (positive)
------------(negative)




Do you comprehend now how a third alternative could affect sales?
Pierce Dalton 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:20 
Publicado originalmente por Start_Running:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

It doesn't matter how great is your ability to express anything. How many people do you think have read your reviews?
As many as wanted to.
I mean that's just the silliest argument I've heard. 'But everyone can;t see it so it's pointless'.

You clearly overestimate the importance of what people type in that box, that's the only thing silly here. The vast majority of reviews get buried really quickly, so it doesn't matter what people say.
Boblin the Goblin 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:21 
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:


If users don't read reviews, then there's not point to add another option for them to ignore.

You're not very imaginative, are you?

In fact, they wouldn't need to read anything. 3 bars should represent the reviews for a game:

GTA 6
--------------------------- (positive)
------------------------------------------------------ (meh)
-------------- (negative)




Well, I guess no one would want that, right? Valve and Rockstar wouldn't be happy... this is better:


GTA 6
------------------------------------- (positive)
------------(negative)




Do you comprehend now how a third alternative could affect sales?


In your example, you assume all of those who would otherwise not leave a review would leave a 'meh' review. You also show those who may leave a 'meh' review would lean more positive.

They already have the option to leave a negative review(which 'meh' is commonly associated in a more negative light) and still choose not to.

So again, a third option is completely pointless.
Pierce Dalton 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:22 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

You're not very imaginative, are you?

In fact, they wouldn't need to read anything. 3 bars should represent the reviews for a game:

GTA 6
--------------------------- (positive)
------------------------------------------------------ (meh)
-------------- (negative)




Well, I guess no one would want that, right? Valve and Rockstar wouldn't be happy... this is better:


GTA 6
------------------------------------- (positive)
------------(negative)




Do you comprehend now how a third alternative could affect sales?


In your example, you assume all of those who would otherwise not leave a review would leave a 'meh' review. You also show those who may leave a 'meh' review would lean more positive.

They already have the option to leave a negative review(which 'meh' is commonly associated in a more negative light) and still choose not to.

So again, a third option is completely pointless.

Why would they leave a negative review if the game isn't bad?
Boblin the Goblin 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:24 
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:


In your example, you assume all of those who would otherwise not leave a review would leave a 'meh' review. You also show those who may leave a 'meh' review would lean more positive.

They already have the option to leave a negative review(which 'meh' is commonly associated in a more negative light) and still choose not to.

So again, a third option is completely pointless.

Why would they leave a negative review if the game isn't bad?


Because it doesn't need to be bad for someone to not recommend it. There are games I enjoy that I wouldn't recommend to others. Doesn't mean it's a bad game.
Pierce Dalton 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:31 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

And they didn't allow negative reviews years ago.


They didn't allow any reviews.

It doesn't matter how they were called. The fact is that Steam only gave users one option: recommend. That speaks volumes.

And the only reason this changed was because people started misusing this feature to not recommend games too, creating a mess.
Ramstar 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:34 
No response.... can be of more use at times than a response.

Just putting that out there..

Ultimately in the end i'm just calling for a better structured review system per post #27. If Indie Devs/Steam and players benefit from this (in diff ways) i don't see why anyone would argue with that....but there will be someone that does....

*opens the door....*
Pierce Dalton 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:35 
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

Why would they leave a negative review if the game isn't bad?


Because it doesn't need to be bad for someone to not recommend it.

That's the main reason people choose to not recommend games, you know, because according to their point of view, the game is bad. This isn't rocket science: when people like a game they recommend it, when people don't like a game they don't recommend it.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense, you're just proving that you're arguing for the sake of arguing now.
Boblin the Goblin 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:42 
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:


Because it doesn't need to be bad for someone to not recommend it.

That's the main reason people choose to not recommend games, you know, because according to their point of view, the game is bad. This isn't rocket science: when people like a game they recommend it, when people don't like a game they don't recommend it.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense, you're just proving that you're arguing for the sake of arguing now.


Literally seen "This game is fun, but I won't recommend it."

So to reiterate, a middle option would add nothing to the reviews.
Start_Running 11 ABR 2023 a las 11:56 
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:
Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:


If users don't read reviews, then there's not point to add another option for them to ignore.

You're not very imaginative, are you?

In fact, they wouldn't need to read anything. 3 bars should represent the reviews for a game:

GTA 6
--------------------------- (positive)
------------------------------------------------------ (meh)
-------------- (negative)




Well, I guess no one would want that, right? Valve and Rockstar wouldn't be happy... this is better:


GTA 6
------------------------------------- (positive)
------------(negative)




Do you comprehend now how a third alternative could affect sales?

You're assuming Meh sayss anything of interest to anyone. And it would not effect buying habits that much. Would you plunks 30 dollars on a game that's mostly meh? I don't think so. Meh is no different than not recommending in that regard. Now that of course assumes everyone is incurious and never asks the why or what people liked about it or disliked. I'd like to think the mahjoprity of consumers aren't that ant like in behaviour just following blindly.




Publicado originalmente por SlowMango:
Publicado originalmente por Pierce Dalton:

That's the main reason people choose to not recommend games, you know, because according to their point of view, the game is bad. This isn't rocket science: when people like a game they recommend it, when people don't like a game they don't recommend it.

Your reasoning doesn't make sense, you're just proving that you're arguing for the sake of arguing now.


Literally seen "This game is fun, but I won't recommend it."

So to reiterate, a middle option would add nothing to the reviews.
That's entirely valid. I mean. We all have that experience with movies or TV shows. I loved the Live Action SMB movie buuut I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
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