Can Valve Please show Twitch how its done?

[Tic-toc26]

So Twitch is on something, I'm not sure what it is but most people aren't happy about it. First with the revenue split, and now the more recent sponsored content restrictions.

Valve Already has the Broadcasting system on there platform, if they were to expand that, it could be one of the best game streaming services out there.
I don't think it would take to much work, they would just have to add a donation system, maybe a Subscription or membership stuff, or super chats if they want to. But that would be most of the heavy work, there are some things that are kinda already done.
New Emoticons can already be added to steam, Remoteplay together would be an incredible edition to.

This could be a alternative for streamers to consider, And it would be a excellent way to introduce new/more people to steam. People that normally play on Xbox Playstation, or even Epic Games, Origin or Uplay.


In short here is a list of some things to make this happen:
Required
-The ungodly amount of server resources to support large scale live streaming

At least one of the following (Baseline):
-Donations
-Super Chats or something like it
-Subscriptions/Channel membership (maybe Broadcast supporter?)
-Ads (love them or hate them they give money)

Bonus:
-Follow notifications, with settings
-Live automated moderation
-A way to save parts of or the entire live stream, or a tool to export a temporary saved live stream
-Game integrations
-Drops (I know for a fact that this one most already works from the game awards)
-A system to stream non-steam games (Nintendo Switch for example)
-Emoticons
-Remoteplay together
-Steamdeck support (Streaming and watching)

Pros:
-New source of revenue (both for Valve and Streamers)
-More community interactions
-Introduce new people to steam

Cons:
-A Large initial investment
-Increased Server Maintenance and Traffic


A recommended course of action:
To minimize risk and save server resources, some or all of these features can be developed before investing in server improvements.
with the limited server resources Offer the features to a select few streamers to help gauge potential


Edit:
there are some official Streams/Broadcast
and there all here for some reason: https://steam.tv
idk why but useing the link without a extension lands you here: https://steam.tv/csgo
I looked around and I found 2 more:
https://steam.tv/yulelog
https://steam.tv/SteamAwards

Why are these not linked anywhere in the Steam Client app?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

-A system to stream non-steam games (Nintendo Switch for example)

I'm pretty sure Valve wants nothing to do with Nintendo possibly getting mad.

[Tic-toc26]

cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

I'm pretty sure Valve wants nothing to do with Nintendo possibly getting mad.

:qr:

Yes, I Understand. Maybe this is a bad example, but the idea is to have a system where someone can stream what they want and not be limited to Steam's Library

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Valve Streamers have moderators, their people in the streamers friendlist given the "Can Moderate my streams" tag. As a matter of fact you can go to your friends list and its the tab right above "Following Users"

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

I'm pretty sure Valve wants nothing to do with Nintendo possibly getting mad.

Yes, I Understand. Maybe this is a bad example, but the idea is to has a system where someone can stream what they want and not be limited to Steam's Library

It took over a decade and even cutting streamers revenue to become profitable in a meaningful way.

[Tic-toc26]

Nepgineer Gaming님이 먼저 게시:

Valve Streamers have moderators, their people in the streamers friendlist given the "Can Moderate my streams" tag. As a matter of fact you can go to your friends list and its the tab right above "Following Users"

I didn't think I should make this any longer than what it was (XD sorry for the wall of text)
I was suggesting something like a bot for moderation.
Friends as Mods are fine, but if you need to moderate a lot of messages you'll need some help. Something a bot would be able to provide.

[Prof.Jackie]

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

I don't think it would take to much work

Oh my sweet summer child.
To be even remotely close to be able to compete with Twitch or even Youtube livestreams they would need to create a comletely new platform optimized for that. That would mean a website, mobile and smart tv app for users to browse content, manage preferences and follows/subsciptions etc.
And even if they had all that they'd still need a way to establish their service and make it popular among content creators and users alike, which is something that takes a very long time.
Remember even Microsoft failed when they tried to the same thing with Mixer.

[Tic-toc26]

cSg|mc-Hotsauce님이 먼저 게시:

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

Yes, I Understand. Maybe this is a bad example, but the idea is to has a system where someone can stream what they want and not be limited to Steam's Library

It took over a decade and even cutting streamers revenue to become profitable in a meaningful way.

:qr:

Are you referring to Twitch?
as I understand it, it seemed fine before Amazon acquired it.

[Mad Scientist]

There's likely many reasons they don't do this. For starters, being a video game store where the streams are almost entirely focused on that actual product, not so much who's streaming it. Then, there's the fact it would need heavy moderation as a large amount of twitch's content is not suitable for steam - no one wants that kind of thing coming to steam.

I would much rather see them focus on the Steam Deck 2 and their version of Linux rather than attract all the wrong people to steam for streaming.

[Tic-toc26]

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

I don't think it would take to much work

Oh my sweet summer child.
To be even remotely close to be able to compete with Twitch or even Youtube livestreams they would need to create a comletely new platform optimized for that. That would mean a website, mobile and smart tv app for users to browse content, manage preferences and follows/subsciptions etc.
And even if they had all that they'd still need a way to establish their service and make it popular among content creators and users alike, which is something that takes a very long time.
Remember even Microsoft failed when they tried to the same thing with Mixer.

I feel like you might be miss understanding this.
The real work come in with the payment systems, and I don't think that would be to hard to do (for Valve) after that most things are trivial.
Emoticons? Follow notifications? Drops? Steamdeck Support?
It doesn't need everything. New things can be added latter. Even now Youtube and Twitch are looking at new things that can be added. This is even a suggestion to a existing feature.

Mad Scientist님이 먼저 게시:

There's likely many reasons they don't do this. For starters, being a video game store where the streams are almost entirely focused on that actual product, not so much who's streaming it. Then, there's the fact it would need heavy moderation as a large amount of twitch's content is not suitable for steam - no one wants that kind of thing coming to steam.

I would much rather see them focus on the Steam Deck 2 and their version of Linux rather than attract all the wrong people to steam for streaming.

I agree, this is a real point to be made. I'm fine ether way (although that Linux support sounds amazing). I thought I would put this up more-less as a discussion, to see is Steam could be a new home for streamers.
I just think it could be a great idea, but it's ok if it doesn't happen.

[Prof.Jackie]

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Oh my sweet summer child.
To be even remotely close to be able to compete with Twitch or even Youtube livestreams they would need to create a comletely new platform optimized for that. That would mean a website, mobile and smart tv app for users to browse content, manage preferences and follows/subsciptions etc.
And even if they had all that they'd still need a way to establish their service and make it popular among content creators and users alike, which is something that takes a very long time.
Remember even Microsoft failed when they tried to the same thing with Mixer.

I feel like you might be miss understanding this.
The real work come in with the payment systems, and I don't think that would be to hard to do (for Valve) after that most things are trivial.
Emoticons? Follow notifications? Drops? Steamdeck Support?
It doesn't need everything. New things can be added latter. Even now Youtube and Twitch are looking at new things that can be added. This even is a suggestion to a existing feature.

All of that is absolutely pointless if the content inaccessable.
Right now there is no practical way to browse streams.This would have to be build from scratch to have atleast the very basics like browsing categories and following creators easily. Without that nobody is gonna use it.

[Tic-toc26]

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

All of that is absolutely pointless if the content inaccessable.
Right now there is no practical way to browse streams.This would have to be build from scratch to have atleast the very basics like browsing categories and following creators easily. Without that nobody is gonna use it.

For the 2 points you brought up
1- They would only need to get get some UI/UX people and some web editors to to make a way to navigate to a existing feature easier, that is it for that part.
2- you can follow other people right now? Yes this exist, but its kinda useless as it doesn't do much, that's why I point a emphasis on notifications.
try for yourself: https://steamcommunity.com/id/[EXAMPLE]/following/

[Brian9824]

Yeah hard pass, makes no sense for steam to spend a fortune on infrastructure costs to develop, to assume the legal liability, etc all because you don't like twitch.

People always have suggestions like this, or that steam should replace YouTube, or build their own video cards, etc.

It doesn't make sense to try to compete with a dominant store just because your very remotely connected to the same content.

[The End]

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

the idea is to has a system where someone can stream what they want and not be limited to Steam's Library

That would lead to nothing but headache for Valve.

Nah, let's stick with the streaming services that are already out there.

[AmsterdamHeavy]

Twitch is not the center of the gaming universe. In fact, personally, it has next to zero value. If it vanished tomorrow I wouldnt notice.

[Blupanda]

Prof.Jackie님이 먼저 게시:

Tic-toc26님이 먼저 게시:

I don't think it would take to much work

Oh my sweet summer child.
To be even remotely close to be able to compete with Twitch or even Youtube livestreams they would need to create a comletely new platform optimized for that. That would mean a website, mobile and smart tv app for users to browse content, manage preferences and follows/subsciptions etc.
And even if they had all that they'd still need a way to establish their service and make it popular among content creators and users alike, which is something that takes a very long time.
Remember even Microsoft failed when they tried to the same thing with Mixer.

If Microsoft can’t compete with Twitch, Valve wouldn’t fare much better. The amount of bandwidth and moderation would simply make it too much of a hassle.

And then there’s the possibility that if Valve becomes too successful in both the PC game store business as well as streaming business, anti-monopoly regulators might raise concerns of Valve holding too much power in the games industry, then try to split Valve’s game store service from its streaming service. Look how much pressure anti-monopoly regulators are putting on Microsoft for trying to acquire Activision.