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There isn't any need to get so emotional over this, it is only a suggestion.
I don't have a problem with twitch, I'm merely pointing out the fact that Twitch and its own content creator are not on the best of terms right now.
And just to clear up the confusion, this is not a suggestion to host videos, it is a suggestion to expand a existing feature.
Now I understand it may have been misleading when I said:
To be clear I don't think this would be necessary for this to work, that why I listed it with:
I wouldn't ether, just saying the market is opening up if they want to take an opportunity.
I feel like Microsoft could have gotten somewhere with Mixer if they stayed with it. They gave up kinda early, if they waited until twitches first blunder it might have been doing better.
As for the Monopoly thing, usually that's a joke today. Personally I'm glad the activation thing didn't happen. I think it only did happen cause another country stopped it before the US. and I think the US just decided to do it anyway at that point.
Why is everyone so emotional over a simple suggestion. A suggestion is not a demand its not garented to happen. I am only pointing out that the biggest person in this market is lossing it footing, so if someone else want to get there, now would be a good time to do so.
Anyway, the website looked similar to Twitch and Valve advertised it for one of their CSGO major tournaments they were sponsoring. When you watched the Stream on the website your steam name would go Purple with saying what stream you were watching on the Steam desktop client.
But like other Valve experiments it must mean that Valve had a interest, tried it, and they saw it was a failure and stopped. So I don't think this will happen at all. The website was only ever used once and this was like 6 or so years ago.
(everyone else seem to just say the same thing)
This is actually really interesting I've never seen or heard anything about this. So going off of the link, it seems to still be in use. As you mentioned it dose seem to only do CSGO but it redirects you to the same url with /csgo added onto it. Do they plan on having others?
I'm not sure if it has always been this way or if it was changed, but it seems to not need a login as it seems to actually be steam chat in the web browser. And within the chat the broadcast is there. It's interesting to see the broadcast in a different format (mainly seeing it group in with the chat is interesting).
If you invite a friend, you can access it on the steam client chat. I'm not sure if my name is purple to other people, but the broadcast is currently offline.
it seems like it was last used in May of this year.
so this isn't entirely out of the ballpark it seems.
However Esports tournaments are not the same as streamers. So that is still a thought to be had.
Twitch seemed 'web2' fine in the same way "uber" looks fine (its not). Amazon iself is fine, but it tends to obfuscate a LOT of stuff in its financials by basically throwing the zillions of services it offers into one of 5 giant buckets that make it more or less impossible to know how any actual company or subsidiary isa ctually doing. Other than AWS being its own category, pretty much everything is munged together. but lets just say that Twitch would not be contantly nickle and diming everyone if it was 'ok'. Twitch is literally trying to speed run "can we push everyone to YouTube" despite everyone literally HATING YouTube. And is doing so by basically doing something incredibly unpopular and bad literally every other month, and this week alone has sparked massive outrage 2 times (TOS change so cancelling your partnership costs you $25, and then said simulcasting on any other platform was forbidden) and the wek isn't even over yet.
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/3722818378178791374/
I found this link, its still in use, but its offline now. (its kinda funny cause I remember I had this one group that would have this broadcast on for years, might be the first time I see it offline now XD)
here is that link: https://steam.tv/yulelog
Yes. That was another one they used it for.
Not to detract from the original forum post but this made it seem more like you were just wanting validation for your point instead of having a real discussion. Maybe people are saying the same thing because it holds more weight than any of the claims about how "great" a streaming service would be on the platform.
I don't think you understand market share well enough to know that its practically impossible for a new live streaming service to come in, especially from Valve. Twitch runs the live streaming industry, that's why you see YouTube having a hard time competing and any other platform sinking before it gets anywhere.
And that's just one of many points which have already been explained.
Who knows maybe you're right and we'll all be eating our words.
Yeah, I'll level with you there, but so far most people have generally said 'bad idea'.
Ok, sure I'll accept it isn't a perfect idea, but instead of just 'bad idea' share some more details if you can. Some people have, but I'm not convinced that Valve still isn't capable of adding this.
If anyone wants to go the extra mile and reasonably critique the points I made earlier (beyond the cost that others and myself have already mentioned mentioned) then I can admit it might not be a 'good idea'.
That said, non-Steam does suggest that the publisher hasn't paid any dues to Steam and thus Valve would have less financial incentive to provide the infrastructure to stream it.
I think it’s a fun idea, but I don’t think it’s a smart idea. I think everyone here knows that Valve is capable of creating a good broadcasting system, I’m more than certain that even Valve knows that themselves.
It’s probably just not worth it since most people (viewers) are not comfortable switching platforms if only a few of their favorite streamers move. Mixer died because their huge deals to hire streamers like Shroud and Ninja still didn’t pull in enough numbers despite the MASSIVE pour of money on those two were.
Valve could add all the bells and whistles mentioned in your message +more but it would be too much of a financial flop that they know to steer clear from it almost entirely. I’m sure most people that log into Steam don’t even know that there is live broadcasting available and Valve isn’t openly advertising it for a reason.
The only way this would maybe work is if Twitch completely died out and all of these proposed systems were already in place for streamers to move comfortably without the fear of another platform death.
I do appreciate the enthusiasm though, it’d be cool to have a more centralized app. But then you’d be going into TenCent territory :0
Youc an broadcast non-steam games. it obviously doesn't show up in any community feeds or whatever but it works. The issue isnt really that streaming isnt a thing. Its more that valve really hasn't provided a lot of good tools for streamers to use. Its like chat. its all 'basic'. but any streamer who has more than 10 followers needs a lot of integration into the stream to use it properly. Vavle has none of this. It doesnt have very good moderation tools, its even worse than twtich which is already notoriously inadequate already.
This is the most valid Criticism (that doesn't feel like the right word, but I couldn't think of anything else) in this post so far.
I do Agree it would be getting into Monopoly territory (Someone else brought that up but it was more of a legal point of view, not to discredit anyone) I was thinking about sharing this Idea with Discord. I feel like this idea might even be more 'at home' there.
I feel the same about how Valve seems to be handling it. However I'm just confused why they added broadcast, and kinda just left them as is. Someone could speculate that it was for things like the game awards broadcast, but I think that system is similar but different. That was on steam.tv, and that was also used for the Yulelog stream, and I think yulelog predates the broadcast system.
idk, I'm not getting anywhere. I'm just confused as to why its here, if whey weren't going to do anything with it.
No arguments here. As I said before, its kinda odd, that Valve isn't doesn't anything with the broadcast system, even in terms of general updates.