My account is 18 years old, please, I don't want to have to confirm my age anymore.

[JFSOCC]

I'd say it's a safe assumption that I'm old enough to see the content.

[Fire Angel]

Originalmente postado por HikariLight:

Valve/Steam do not know the age of the person using the account.
Also due to privacy laws, Steam cannot permanently retain your age confirmation.

You are not allowed to give your account to someone else. Therefore, if an account is 18 years old so is the user unless the person behind it is breaking the terms of service.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por Supergirl:

Originalmente postado por HikariLight:

Valve/Steam do not know the age of the person using the account.
Also due to privacy laws, Steam cannot permanently retain your age confirmation.

You are not allowed to give your account to someone else. Therefore, if an account is 18 years old so is the user unless the person behind it is breaking the terms of service.

That doesn't mean someone else aka your kids isn't on your account without your knowledge. Valve could get into legal trouble involving data collection and children. Its a stupid law, but its the law and every site has to follow it.

Age gates do nothing but protect the companies from lawsuits, they don't actually stop anyone. It just ticks off a checkbox of legal requirements that they have to do to be in compliance.

[JFSOCC]

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

Originalmente postado por Shinoskay:

the account... literally the account itself... with an account creation date.... is 18+.

how is that hard for you to understand.

How is it hard to understand that people can use a computer that has the account credentials saved who are NOT 18+?

Accounts can be accessed by other people. Since valve can't see if the person using the account is the same person who MADE the account they have to check to be sure its not someone underage using it.

I'm not sure, but isn't it against the EULA to share your account with others? So you *could* assume only the same person uses it, and if they didn't that's on them.

[JFSOCC]

Oh I see supergirl already brought it up.

[JFSOCC]

Originalmente postado por BJWyler:

18 years and still doesn't know how to use the search feature to discover the information on why it is the way it is.

Guess I'm a luddite after all.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por JFSOCC:

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

How is it hard to understand that people can use a computer that has the account credentials saved who are NOT 18+?

Accounts can be accessed by other people. Since valve can't see if the person using the account is the same person who MADE the account they have to check to be sure its not someone underage using it.

I'm not sure, but isn't it against the EULA to share your account with others? So you *could* assume only the same person uses it, and if they didn't that's on them.

Yes, but someone using your account when your at work without you knowing isn't sharing, and Valve would still get in trouble even if someone DID share the account. The law is stupid, does nothing other then protect valve, but its still the law.

[SixStringSamurai]

They haven’t had bday right since forever…. They just want to protect themselves… it has zero to do with us…

[Crashed]

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

You claim laws but never cite them. Age restriction laws on video games were struck down in the US Supreme Court. It's best not to spread misinformation.

It's been mentioned repeatedly, its COPPA and other similar laws that require screening. Its incredibly easy to find details on. The only way to not be able to find it is if you refuse to do the most basic check because you don't want to find it.

Irrelevant:
https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions

11. Will the COPPA Rule keep my child from accessing inappropriate materials, such as pornography?

No. COPPA is meant to give parents control over the online collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from children. It was not designed to protect children from viewing particular types of content wherever they might go online. If you are concerned about your children seeing inappropriate materials online, you may want to consider a filtering program or an Internet Service Provider that offers tools to help screen out or restrict access to such material. Information about such tools is available at ConnectSafely.org and Stay Safe Online’s advice about parental controls, and from operating system developers.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

It's been mentioned repeatedly, its COPPA and other similar laws that require screening. Its incredibly easy to find details on. The only way to not be able to find it is if you refuse to do the most basic check because you don't want to find it.

Irrelevant:
https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions

11. Will the COPPA Rule keep my child from accessing inappropriate materials, such as pornography?

No. COPPA is meant to give parents control over the online collection, use, or disclosure of personal information from children. It was not designed to protect children from viewing particular types of content wherever they might go online. If you are concerned about your children seeing inappropriate materials online, you may want to consider a filtering program or an Internet Service Provider that offers tools to help screen out or restrict access to such material. Information about such tools is available at ConnectSafely.org and Stay Safe Online’s advice about parental controls, and from operating system developers.

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12. Will the COPPA Rule prevent children from lying about their age to register for general audience sites or online services whose terms of service prohibit their participation?

No. COPPA covers operators of general audience websites or online services only where such operators have actual knowledge that a child under age 13 is the person providing personal information. The Rule does not require operators to ask the age of visitors. However, an operator of a general audience site or service that chooses to screen its users for age in a neutral fashion may rely on the age information its users enter, even if that age information is not accurate. In some circumstances, this may mean that children are able to register on a site or service in violation of the operator’s Terms of Service. If, however, the operator later determines that a particular user is a child under age 13, COPPA’s notice and parental consent requirements will be triggered.

That is why so many sites do the age gate. As long as they ask the age they are basically protected and can rely on the answer given. Its the cheapest and easiest way to identify age. EPIC for instance got in trouble because while they had an age gate, they also had additional survey's where people could say they were under 13, and they didn't act on it, and that triggered COPPA and their record breaking fine.

Also their are other laws that come into play as well, hence why I said COPPA and other laws. If you want the full legal reasons I suggest you contact a lawyer as they would be the best person able to assist you.

[Crashed]

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Irrelevant:
https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions

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12. Will the COPPA Rule prevent children from lying about their age to register for general audience sites or online services whose terms of service prohibit their participation?

No. COPPA covers operators of general audience websites or online services only where such operators have actual knowledge that a child under age 13 is the person providing personal information. The Rule does not require operators to ask the age of visitors. However, an operator of a general audience site or service that chooses to screen its users for age in a neutral fashion may rely on the age information its users enter, even if that age information is not accurate. In some circumstances, this may mean that children are able to register on a site or service in violation of the operator’s Terms of Service. If, however, the operator later determines that a particular user is a child under age 13, COPPA’s notice and parental consent requirements will be triggered.

That is why so many sites do the age gate. As long as they ask the age they are basically protected and can rely on the answer given. Its the cheapest and easiest way to identify age. EPIC for instance got in trouble because while they had an age gate, they also had additional survey's where people could say they were under 13, and they didn't act on it, and that triggered COPPA and their record breaking fine.

Also their are other laws that come into play as well, hence why I said COPPA and other laws. If you want the full legal reasons I suggest you contact a lawyer as they would be the best person able to assist you.

There is only a confirm/cancel prompt on Epic's store. You might want to consult a lawyer too before saying an age gate targeted at specific content where there is none on content that could be deemed as targeted towards children is the law.

[Brian9824]

Originalmente postado por Crashed:

Originalmente postado por brian9824:

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That is why so many sites do the age gate. As long as they ask the age they are basically protected and can rely on the answer given. Its the cheapest and easiest way to identify age. EPIC for instance got in trouble because while they had an age gate, they also had additional survey's where people could say they were under 13, and they didn't act on it, and that triggered COPPA and their record breaking fine.

Also their are other laws that come into play as well, hence why I said COPPA and other laws. If you want the full legal reasons I suggest you contact a lawyer as they would be the best person able to assist you.

There is only a confirm/cancel prompt on Epic's store. You might want to consult a lawyer too before saying an age gate targeted at specific content where there is none on content that could be deemed as targeted towards children is the law.

Again, the age gate isn't required as noted, its just the easiest way to do so and to help protect them. COPPA doesn't REQUIRE an age gate, but the age gate can protect the business from a slew of issues with COPPA. It requires some form of screening, of which an age gate is overwhelmingly the most popular choice due to the ease of implementing.

There are other ways to handle it, and you'd have to ask a lawyer if EPIC's wording is sufficient. Considering they've gotten the largest fines in history over their inaction towards children i'd imagine their lawyers say its sufficient but that is such a sub specialty of law you'd have to ask someone who specializes in it.