Just ROLLBACK this disaster u call "UI"

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Just do that and STEAM will be improved by 1000000%
why turn Steam into trash ?
U failed TOO HARD FOR ME TO TOLERATE IT

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

Every time there's a major UI update theirs wailing and teeth gnashing, and then over time the uproar dies down, a lot of issues people had get fixed. And then a couple years later there's a major UI update and everyone gets all worked up and wants to stay on the "old" UI. That somehow became perfect and right and good.

Repeat for 20 years.

LIES ! I use Steam, since 20 years, never had any problems.
ROLL BACK.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

Every time there's a major UI update theirs wailing and teeth gnashing, and then over time the uproar dies down, a lot of issues people had get fixed. And then a couple years later there's a major UI update and everyone gets all worked up and wants to stay on the "old" UI. That somehow became perfect and right and good.

Repeat for 20 years.

LIES ! I use Steam, since 20 years, never had any problems.
ROLL BACK.

2005 is almost 20 years but isn't.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

Every time there's a major UI update theirs wailing and teeth gnashing, and then over time the uproar dies down, a lot of issues people had get fixed. And then a couple years later there's a major UI update and everyone gets all worked up and wants to stay on the "old" UI. That somehow became perfect and right and good.

Repeat for 20 years.

LIES ! I use Steam, since 20 years, never had any problems.
ROLL BACK.

You've never had a problem, but what about the other millions of malcontents? You dismiss them so easily, makes it seem extremely reasonable to dismiss you then.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

LIES ! I use Steam, since 20 years, never had any problems.
ROLL BACK.

You've never had a problem, but what about the other millions of malcontents? You dismiss them so easily, makes it seem extremely reasonable to dismiss you then. :KentHappy:

It's the first time, Valve changes Steam fundamentally, by literally turning it into a browser for mobile phones, making itself a servant to Google for free - turning STEAM into a potential Google Playstore Extension.

I will also not respond to you anymore, because if you are so happy, there might be threads where you can express your happiness, as a potential smartphone user, about this development in your interest much better than here.
I am a PC gamer, STEAM was supposed to be a PC gaming platform - that is no longer the case.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

You've never had a problem, but what about the other millions of malcontents? You dismiss them so easily, makes it seem extremely reasonable to dismiss you then.

It's the first time, Valve changes Steam fundamentally, by literally turning it into a browser for mobile phones, making itself a servant to Google for free - turning STEAM into a potential Google Playstore Extension.

If that's the story you want to tell yourself. But you know, the great thing about Valve being privately owned and successful? They get to make a lot of their own decisions about their company and their software and users can fret and fuss and engage in hyperbole, but it's not going to change anything or make the hyperbole true.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

I will also not respond to you anymore, because if you are so happy, there might be threads where you can express your happiness, as a potential smartphone user, about this development in your interest much better than here.
I am a PC gamer, STEAM was supposed to be a PC gaming platform - that is no longer the case.

No, this is the perfect place to oppose fussing and hyperbole. Making up arbitrary rules for "PC gaming" and complaining that Valve isn't meeting your version of PC gaming, especially when they never agreed to your terms of what that met should be commented on.

In short PC gaming is whatever you want it to be. But what you want it to be may not have any bearing on reality. And in my experience reality probably isn't going to change to appease you, so good luck making yourself miserable over nothing.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von nullable:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

It's the first time, Valve changes Steam fundamentally, by literally turning it into a browser for mobile phones, making itself a servant to Google for free - turning STEAM into a potential Google Playstore Extension.

If that's the story you want to tell yourself. But you know, the great thing about Valve being privately owned and successful? They get to make a lot of their own decisions about their company and their software and users can fret and fuss and engage in hyperbole, but it's not going to change anything or make the hyperbole true.

Some forget that this is the case. Its rather embarrassing that their pc isn't up to par to run mobile games as they call it, but each to their own I suppose even if their standards are low at best.

[Reaper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Slav Mcgopnik:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

Also decouple from Google Chrome, otherwise I am forced to consider STEAM to be an extension of the Google Play Store from now on.

This is like claiming that every game made with Unreal Engine is an extension of Epic Games.

I mean, that's not unrealistic. Epic gets paid by games that use UE engine. Just like Valve gets paid by games that use Source. Sure, you can separate it by saying Epic isn't getting paid directly, but the engine still has to be licensed.

[Iron Knights]

For me it's an improvement, I wanted bigger text and bigger comment area (wider), but I see some people don't like it for their own reasons. We're gonna end up asking for a fully editable interface like World of Warcraft UI, and they can do that too for the money we give them (in higher game prices). Controls of editing the UIs. The text area is still less than half the width of my screen in discussions. Fonts ok, but could be bigger. Control, Control, Control.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Iron Knights:

For me it's an improvement, I wanted bigger text and bigger comment area (wider), but I see some people don't like it for their own reasons. We're gonna end up asking for a fully editable interface like World of Warcraft UI, and they can do that too for the money we give them (in higher game prices). Controls of editing the UIs. The text area is still less than half the width of my screen in discussions. Fonts ok, but could be bigger. Control, Control, Control.

You could already access the forums in Browsers, and in many browsers you can actually set the size even with their settings, or otherwise with addons you can do whatever you like to make if to your liking. Now replacing the Steam client entirely by a Browser is not something necessary. I can at least understand why you have a positive perspective, but honestly the negative sides of this Smartphone UI outweight the positive aspects one might find by far.

I personally decided to stay loyal to Steam for so many years, just exactly because of the Design it used, and that it was clearly a Platform for Pc Gamers. meant to not use more ressources than my games, and would not act intrusively by making it's own processes a focus of attention (sry hard to describe in english what I mean) but instead act like a service tool that is just doing in the background what is necessary to start games and provide extras.

Nu Valve does obviously see Steam itself as Platform much more important that the service idea behind it, which made Steam large. It was comfortable to have a single place where you could start all your games from and purchase them without having to register in other places and all that hassle.

But over the last years this idea of being a service platform has more and more degraded .
For me this is just the last drop too much for my barrel to hold. It is definitely a turning point where Nu Valve decided to give up the working concept, and decided to touch a running system - which failed as expected by anyone who knows what I am talking about. It was never anything wrong with the Steam Interface, everything was wrong with Valve itself, and they will continue to follow this road of fail for the sake of new Smartphone customers, and they will not care about losing the PC Gaming users in the long run at all, primarily because people are too lazy to complain and do not care and eat everything u present them to accept, and secondly because the prospects of diving into the smartphone market are "booming".

We, the PC Gamers are no longer an important target group, and already now people with smartphone interest do subjugate our interest on the forums - ofc I can understand that Smartphone Steam users have no problem with what Nuvalve is doing and do not care about any of our legitimate complains, because they are non of their business.
It is easy to use those fractions of interests against each other for Valve to be able to do what they want without resistance. It is the good old divide et impera story to shut up complains and make people accept any trash as improvement.
This UI is nothing but trash and seems to have been designed in 5 minutes by AI, probably someone played with ChatGPTs programming interface and asked it do do a STEAM design for smartphones and nobody cared about the quality of the code. I cannot imagine that professional programmers could possibly create and release this.

[Arikania]

I recognize a lot of the points mentioned in the post here above. It refers to a trend that I see in more places (such as MS-Windows and Ubuntu): They turn to smartphone-like interfaces.

I can understand why they d want to do that. What I do not understand about all those platforms, however, is why they should replace their UIs with smartphone-likes, instead of having a client for PCs next to one for mobile devices.

[Zefar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

You could already access the forums in Browsers, and in many browsers you can actually set the size even with their settings, or otherwise with addons you can do whatever you like to make if to your liking. Now replacing the Steam client entirely by a Browser is not something necessary. I can at least understand why you have a positive perspective, but honestly the negative sides of this Smartphone UI outweight the positive aspects one might find by far.

Steam still does all of the things in the start as it does now. So what is the issue with it being a browser or not?

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

But over the last years this idea of being a service platform has more and more degraded .
For me this is just the last drop too much for my barrel to hold. It is definitely a turning point where Nu Valve decided to give up the working concept, and decided to touch a running system - which failed as expected by anyone who knows what I am talking about. It was never anything wrong with the Steam Interface, everything was wrong with Valve itself, and they will continue to follow this road of fail for the sake of new Smartphone customers, and they will not care about losing the PC Gaming users in the long run at all, primarily because people are too lazy to complain and do not care and eat everything u present them to accept, and secondly because the prospects of diving into the smartphone market are "booming".

Give up a working concept? Valve is bigger than it has ever been. What are they giving up?
Steam is a PC program and the only reason there is a mobile app is for security and trade deals.
You can't install the PC version of Steam on a smartphone to play games. Also the only reason the Steam app on mobile share the same UI is because they want it to be the same.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

We, the PC Gamers are no longer an important target group, and already now people with smartphone interest do subjugate our interest on the forums - ofc I can understand that Smartphone Steam users have no problem with what Nuvalve is doing and do not care about any of our legitimate complains, because they are non of their business.
It is easy to use those fractions of interests against each other for Valve to be able to do what they want without resistance. It is the good old divide et impera story to shut up complains and make people accept any trash as improvement.
This UI is nothing but trash and seems to have been designed in 5 minutes by AI, probably someone played with ChatGPTs programming interface and asked it do do a STEAM design for smartphones and nobody cared about the quality of the code. I cannot imagine that professional programmers could possibly create and release this.

What market do they have on smartphones? Steam games can't be run on Smartphones.

As for the UI update.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2991720317
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2991720195

There are basically only 2 things that have changed. The blue colored text for active tab and the bottom bar has been changed a bit.

These are the things you'll be seeing the most when using Steam and it's still the same.

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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nessia:

I recognize a lot of the points mentioned in the post here above. It refers to a trend that I see in more places (such as MS-Windows and Ubuntu): They turn to smartphone-like interfaces.

I can understand why they d want to do that. What I do not understand about all those platforms, however, is why they should replace their UIs with smartphone-likes, instead of having a client for PCs next to one for mobile devices.

If I may guess, it is because then you only have to develop one version that does fit all (less maintainance costs/development costs), and you cannot fit PC versions on smartphones properly, because they do lack of proper tools (interfaces I mean), like mouse and keyboard, but the other way around it is unproblematic, just that it is not comfortable to use as a PC Gamer, and that the Design is horrible in general, if you are used to PC/Game Designs, and I mean those did evolve during the last decades to what they are for a reason.

It feels like they are trying to convert PCs into Smartphones, as if their Interfaces would be superior, while we all know, PCs are much better at that. That is why imo Valve sold it's soul.
Why exactly does a PC Gaming platform want to give up PC gaming ... I do not get it, that is how you destroy your reputation and something you built and made run for so many years.

I guess we just have to accept that they sold out Gamers to the "superior cashcow smartphone playerbase" they imagine in the future, probably also located in China.

[lailaamell]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ☺ TLM ☺:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Nessia:

I recognize a lot of the points mentioned in the post here above. It refers to a trend that I see in more places (such as MS-Windows and Ubuntu): They turn to smartphone-like interfaces.

I can understand why they d want to do that. What I do not understand about all those platforms, however, is why they should replace their UIs with smartphone-likes, instead of having a client for PCs next to one for mobile devices.

If I may guess, it is because then you only have to develop one version that does fit all (less maintainance costs/development costs), and you cannot fit PC versions on smartphones properly, because they do lack of proper tools (interfaces I mean), like mouse and keyboard, but the other way around it is unproblematic, just that it is not comfortable to use as a PC Gamer, and that the Design is horrible in general, if you are used to PC/Game Designs, and I mean those did evolve during the last decades to what they are for a reason.

It feels like they are trying to convert PCs into Smartphones, as if their Interfaces would be superior, while we all know, PCs are much better at that. That is why imo Valve sold it's soul.
Why exactly does a PC Gaming platform want to give up PC gaming ... I do not get it, that is how you destroy your reputation and something you built and made run for so many years.

I guess we just have to accept that they sold out Gamers to the "superior cashcow smartphone playerbase" they imagine in the future, probably also located in China.

Its not long until they delete all pc games and replace them with android apps

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New UI is good for me.

[Bio Exorcist]

Apex Legends is unplayable due to a new CPU performance drop bug. The Steam client should be rolled back.