I would like to trade Games i don't play but got them as present

[LordCommander]

I have got plenty of games which i got as present, but I don't play them. Like for example Bioshock remastered. I don't have the knack for ego shooters but prefer other kind of games. So why Steam does not allow to exchange games?

That would be cool to empty the library from games one does not play and get from other users game that falls into ones interest and they get themself games they like and can get ridd off games they don't want. It would be a real win win.

[d3str0y3r]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I have got plenty of games which i got as present, but I don't play them. Like for example Bioshock remastered. I don't have the knack for ego shooters but prefer other kind of games. So why Steam does not allow to exchange games?

That would be cool to empty the library from games one does not play and get from other users game that falls into ones interest and they get themself games they like and can get ridd off games they don't want. It would be a real win win.

This has been brought up countless times. The reason is publishers are selling you a license to play their game and that license is non transferable. Valve can not legally change the license agreement for a game they do not own. Valve will also not force publishers to make this change.

[LordCommander]

I'm sure if you put this claim to any lawyer in europe they would retort "bollocks". I mean, if i have got a game pressed on CD or DVD in the old fashion and sell this, i also sell the license.

There is nothing the publisher can do anything about it. The only reason for them to do anything to prevent such a market is them not wanting their market for old games to die out.

Example have got Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 hard pressed, but am unable to add that license to my steam account.

There are some other games where i encounter the same problem.

[Wolf Knight]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I have got plenty of games which i got as present, but I don't play them. Like for example Bioshock remastered. I don't have the knack for ego shooters but prefer other kind of games. So why Steam does not allow to exchange games?

That would be cool to empty the library from games one does not play and get from other users game that falls into ones interest and they get themself games they like and can get ridd off games they don't want. It would be a real win win.

scammers and account hijackers would love to see this made available so they can help you clean out your accounts game library.

if you want to be able to sell/trade your games, talk to your law makers. just remember, you may get what you asked for, but is most certainly wont be what you wanted.

[Gwarsbane]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I have got plenty of games which i got as present, but I don't play them. Like for example Bioshock remastered. I don't have the knack for ego shooters but prefer other kind of games. So why Steam does not allow to exchange games?

That would be cool to empty the library from games one does not play and get from other users game that falls into ones interest and they get themself games they like and can get ridd off games they don't want. It would be a real win win.

People should used the search feature and read all the other threads on this same topic and yes there has been lots of them and no just because there has been lots of them doesn't mean its a good idea.

Here is but a few of the threads.... short version, Developers and Valve would lose a bunch of money and you could pretty much kiss sales, bundle sites, cheap games goodbye and/or they would move to subscription versions.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3833171151465447114/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3833171151457904769/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/6756004301617380104/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3361397532250355766/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3426690094701404921/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4417479689921469533/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4543572243354186901/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3062995463255487806/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/4325125547785521875/

Again thats just a few with a whole lot of good reasons as to why this will never happen.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wolf Knight:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I have got plenty of games which i got as present, but I don't play them. Like for example Bioshock remastered. I don't have the knack for ego shooters but prefer other kind of games. So why Steam does not allow to exchange games?

That would be cool to empty the library from games one does not play and get from other users game that falls into ones interest and they get themself games they like and can get ridd off games they don't want. It would be a real win win.

scammers and account hijackers would love to see this made available so they can help you clean out your accounts game library.

if you want to be able to sell/trade your games, talk to your law makers. just remember, you may get what you asked for, but is most certainly wont be what you wanted.

Plus Devs would likely pull their games off platforms, because it would actually cut into sales.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I'm sure if you put this claim to any lawyer in europe they would retort "bollocks". I mean, if i have got a game pressed on CD or DVD in the old fashion and sell this, i also sell the license.

There is nothing the publisher can do anything about it. The only reason for them to do anything to prevent such a market is them not wanting their market for old games to die out.

Example have got Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 hard pressed, but am unable to add that license to my steam account.

There are some other games where i encounter the same problem.

Except it has gone to courts in France and was ruled you can't resell or distribute digital games once they are redeemed.

When you sold the CD/DVD, you weren't really selling the license. You were selling the physical media.

[d3str0y3r]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I mean, if i have got a game pressed on CD or DVD in the old fashion and sell this, i also sell the license.

It was still not allowed it just wasn't as easy to enforce as it is with digital goods.

[Gwarsbane]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I'm sure if you put this claim to any lawyer in europe they would retort "bollocks". I mean, if i have got a game pressed on CD or DVD in the old fashion and sell this, i also sell the license.

There is nothing the publisher can do anything about it. The only reason for them to do anything to prevent such a market is them not wanting their market for old games to die out.

Example have got Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2 hard pressed, but am unable to add that license to my steam account.

There are some other games where i encounter the same problem.

Go ahead and try it.... people in France were trying... but over as far as I can tell now. In Germany you are not allowed. Thats already been though all their courts nearly a decade ago.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=germany+no+legal+right+to+sell+game

With this next one, make sure you read links that are after 2019, because the ruling came down in Jan 2023
https://www.google.ca/search?q=france+no+legal+right+to+sell+game


So no, an EU lawyer will not retort that. They will tell you what the highest courts in both Germany and France say... both of which are in the EU if I remember right and both of them have said no, you don't have a legal right to tell your games.


The only reason you could do it with older games on disc was because there was no internet at the time so there was no online account to connect them with. But now there is. Even when there was the internet at first, most people didn't have an always on connection. It wasn't till a large number of people had an always on connection that they could finally move to a system where they could block second hand sales.

Oh and you were always buying a license to play the game, you never actually owned the game. You owned the physical media it was on, but thats not the license to play it.

Todays games on media are mostly just an empty DVD with nothing but a manual and some other junk files on it, maybe an installer for the service you connected it to like Steam or origin or what ever.

Go a head and look at any game on physical media you bought within the last 5 or so years for PC, I bet you, you won't find much on the disc, if you even have a DVD/Blu-ray drive to open the disc.

Most PCs don't come with DVD players anymore so anything on the disc is useless to most people anyway. Most of the games out there are far too big to be put on blu-ray discs, let a lone DVDs. Then you have lots of day 1 patches you need to install.

Even consoles from Sony and Microsoft and Nintendo are trying to push towards digital only systems.

Out of all the people I know with computer systems, I'm one of the very few that have a disc player in the PC. Most don't even have a physical DVD/blu-ray/4k movies collection unlike myself. I mention this just so you don't think I'm 100% for digital only, I'm far from it. But the truth is, physical media for consoles and PCs are pretty much dead, its all just mostly been digital only for a while, the "disc" can just pretty much be used as a coaster, thats how valuable it is.

[Nx Machina]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από LordCommander:

I'm sure if you put this claim to any lawyer in europe they would retort "bollocks". I mean, if i have got a game pressed on CD or DVD in the old fashion and sell this, i also sell the license.

A French court ruled digital games can be re-sold, (a ruling is not law). A second court ruled they cannot be because they are considered art.

Secondly: Ubisoft is an EU company.

Assassins Creed Valhalla Eula

https://store.steampowered.com/eula/2208920_eula_0

1. GRANT OF LICENSE

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>>>>> THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED TO YOU, NOT SOLD <<<<<