age verification

[dragenkill]

We need an age verification so that the content that is blocked due to the protection of minors guidelines can be made available again

[Mad Scientist]

In a previous large thread someone got a reply from Valve that they are working on a solution. However, that region seems to like making laws frequently, so the priority is likely very low, so their immediate solution is to make it unavailable.

It would be better to contact your local politicians or policy makers in regard to making less strict laws/regulations, and not constantly coming up with laws/regulations for international trade as they are the ones that made this an issue.

[nullable]

That german law if I understand it is complex and creates a high bar for proof and probably stiff penalities for any violations. And unless adult games purchased by german customers make up a significant amount of revenue it may just not be worth the effort. Germany laws creating work for Valve to do may not be an attractive proposition for Valve.

It's one of the downsides to being "first", maybe when a number of other countries enact similar and compatible laws and users get over the freakout of Valve know who they are, then maybe authoritative age verification becomes reasonable to implement.

But I wouldn't hold my breath for things to change in the time being.

[dragenkill]

Strict protection of minors are important and correct. You can also do this simply by installing an age verification system by entering your identity card and you already have proof of age for the person

[dragenkill]

*for example sony has something like that if you want to buy wa there with your card you have to deposit your identity card with them

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Strict protection of minors are important and correct. You can also do this simply by installing an age verification system by entering your identity card and you already have proof of age for the person

Absolutely not.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Strict protection of minors are important and correct. You can also do this simply by installing an age verification system by entering your identity card and you already have proof of age for the person

Yeah and doing that requires work, integrating with the vendors, etc. So that might be the solution they do, but it appears to be a low priority for them.

[nullable]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Strict protection of minors are important and correct. You can also do this simply by installing an age verification system by entering your identity card and you already have proof of age for the person

"Simply"

Just because you can say something in a single sentence, doesn't make it as simple to implement as typing that sentence.

If Valve is working on it, which they could be, you'll just have to wait and be patient for them to solve all the problems involved you're not aware of or willing to entertain.

[rawWwRrr]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Strict protection of minors are important and correct. You can also do this simply by installing an age verification system by entering your identity card and you already have proof of age for the person

The day I have to provide an identity card to an online store in which to purchase a video game will be the end of my video game purchases.

Simply not going to happen.

And this is the stance you and everyone else affected by these kinds of laws need to push back on your legislatures to reverse them.

[dragenkill]

Originally posted by nullable:

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Strict protection of minors are important and correct. You can also do this simply by installing an age verification system by entering your identity card and you already have proof of age for the person

"Simply"

Just because you can say something in a single sentence, doesn't make it as simple to implement as typing that sentence.

If Valve is working on it, which they could be, you'll just have to wait and be patient for them to solve all the problems involved you're not aware of or willing to entertain.

The simple does not refer to the fact that the work behind it is simple, but to the fact that with the motivation and time you put into it which has been put into it to spear out the Germans from the adult contant, you could just as well have done it to build in an age verification

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Originally posted by nullable:

"Simply"

Just because you can say something in a single sentence, doesn't make it as simple to implement as typing that sentence.

If Valve is working on it, which they could be, you'll just have to wait and be patient for them to solve all the problems involved you're not aware of or willing to entertain.

The simple does not refer to the fact that the work behind it is simple, but to the fact that with the motivation and time you put into it which has been put into it to spear out the Germans from the adult contant, you could just as well have done it to build in an age verification

German users are a very small fraction of the market on top of adult content being a small fraction of the store.

That plays a heavy role in how quickly they implement the required features. As well as how invasive those features need to be.

[Lilim]

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

It would be better to contact your local politicians or policy makers...

You're kidding, right ?

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Lilim:

Originally posted by Mad Scientist:

It would be better to contact your local politicians or policy makers...

You're kidding, right :hp_kyu:?

They are the ones that made the policy. Valve is just following their rules.

[dragenkill]

Originally posted by SlowMango:

Originally posted by dragenkill:

The simple does not refer to the fact that the work behind it is simple, but to the fact that with the motivation and time you put into it which has been put into it to spear out the Germans from the adult contant, you could just as well have done it to build in an age verification

German users are a very small fraction of the market on top of adult content being a small fraction of the store.

That plays a heavy role in how quickly they implement the required features. As well as how invasive those features need to be.

where do you get the information that germany is a small faction all i can find is germany is always in the top 10 in some even top 5 and yes the adult contat may be a small area the situation is such that the current age verification would not even suffice for everything else in the store that is, if someone is having a bad day, he goes and says hey steam, what's going on, your protection of minors is not enough, what are you doing spearing steam in Germany completely or what

[nullable]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

The simple does not refer to the fact that the work behind it is simple, but to the fact that with the motivation and time you put into it which has been put into it to spear out the Germans from the adult contant, you could just as well have done it to build in an age verification

So in your opinion it's just as complex to implement a blanket restriction for German users as it would be to accurately collect information and verify their ages? And as a result, in your opinion Valve is just being malicious toward German users? Because that doesn't make sense. And I don't think your assumptions match reality.

Also side note, your use of "spear", can you elaborate or use some synonyms? It's not a usage I'm familiar with. Based on the context I'm reading it as "separating", but could you confirm that? (Really, just for clarification, not trying to grammar-hassle you. After all your English is ten thousand times better than my German.)

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by dragenkill:

Originally posted by SlowMango:

German users are a very small fraction of the market on top of adult content being a small fraction of the store.

That plays a heavy role in how quickly they implement the required features. As well as how invasive those features need to be.

where do you get the information that germany is a small faction all i can find is germany is always in the top 10 in some even top 5 and yes the adult contat may be a small area the situation is such that the current age verification would not even suffice for everything else in the store that is, if someone is having a bad day, he goes and says hey steam, what's going on, your protection of minors is not enough, what are you doing spearing steam in Germany completely or what

Look at the percentage of German users. They can be in the top 10 but still a small percentage to everywhere else.

It isn't Steam's job to protect minors.