TOS review of Game Developers/Publishers posting contentious topics and how users can interact to it.

[CateredGamerGator]

Please scroll all the way down and read all of my replies to the replyers if you do read the replies. I give more explanations on my points. it's important to see all sides of the argument. (some (but not all) tried to paint me in a bad picture but I've explain myself to counteract those comments.)
(Changed tittle since It charge people's emotions and that I want to revise my main objective on what I want to explain.)
(NOTE: This is a philosophical point. mainly saying that if devs want to post stuff that can be political in nature and when it's contentious then people should be able to post stuff respectfully to express how they disagree. otherwise I think valve should think into how it's unfair devs can post stuff that's contentious yet the users who pay these devs and valve can't express their disagreement with full political context to a contentious topic that has political undertones.)

I'm not replying to anymore comments because I have things to do so I wouldn't bother with reading past the 41st comment with any significant because at this point it's just derailing from the original intent of the comment and the debates are going in circles and this post has been here for 5 hours and I have things to do. any comments made towards me after that probably is addressed by me in a earlier reply.

I find it egregious and morally reprehensible that these multi million, sometimes multi billion dollar corporations can post obnoxious topics that are unpopular, controversial, and gets ratioed in the comments, and then people can't explain and express their grievances in details when the posts these companies make are related to politics to begin with.
(evidence: look at the Rocket League's developer's latest post, and see it being locked in the comments due to it being such an unpopular post.)

Don't tell me the history behind a contentious month or identity politics posts from these game developers and publishers are not political in nature. If the users can't even RESPECTFULLY post political comments to explain their opinions on the matter then it's only fair that game developers and publishers can't post political and contentious topics either if it's for the sake of Valve's reputation. If they keep this wonky TOS like this, then it only makes Valve looks like a unfair dystopian and censorious figure rather than Valve just trying to not make their platform look unwelcoming optics wise.

All I am saying is that the TOS should at lease be reviewed so it's less lop sided. If the devs say something contentious, allow people to reply without worrying of getting their posts removed.

I want to add that I don't expect any action from valve's part but wanted to point this out so people at lease think about this subject even if they disagree with me at the end.

[CateredGamerGator]

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Who said I wanted to beat other companies to compliance? I'm not forcing beliefs or values. Idk why so much people love lobbying for these soulless corps and straw manning so much, You're just inserting your self evident and notions. I stated that it's only fair if people disagree that they should be able to reply how they wish especially if it's respectful. otherwise it's only fair to not allow topics that can bring backlash if people have to walk on egg shells on the topic that has history of political.

You're not owed a platform of Steam. Valve doesn't exist to ensure you have that platform. You can't use Valve to strong arm other companies because you see that as an avenue to get your way.

Arguing that a business should be silenced because some users can't control themselves isn't much of an argument. Steam isn't the only platform on the Internet where you can post your opinions. Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, write your response on a platform they don't own/operate on. Problem solved. Wanting everything on your terms is typical, but it ain't gonna happen.

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also just because someone pays to get the right to make the rules doesn't make it morally right. Yeah it's their prerogatives. But what's wrong with questioning their prerogatives. That's like allowing any "authority" figures to step on people without question.

Trying to characterize someone controlling the space they own, deciding that's not favorable to you, so it's immoral is your fantasy. No one needs to entertain it.

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also the part of "me making this thread means I don't have much faith in my beliefs" makes no sense, That's like saying I don't have my faith in my beliefs if I complain about the rule makers making bad rules and that I should let myself get screwed over "hoping" that the rule makers get screwed over and never even petition for change. I just don't see any sense out of that.

It makes sense, you're just contrary and want to control the narrative.

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also why do you keep on insisting I want to beat companies? I'm just stating that people should be able to express them selves if they disagree. Obviously the latest Rocket league post caused people to tip toe when they are reacting negatively. the fact that the post from the company had negative reaction shows that it's contentious and that it's political in it's nature to cause backlash and thus the fact I'm complaining about the lop sided rules is just me pointing out this fact, nothing more or nothing less.

You can express yourself. Some place else. Neither Valve or developers, that you want to argue with, own the Internet. You're just not owed a booth on their property to do it.

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I see a lot of pretentiousness out of people who rather protect a soulless company with no face and only thing in soulless methodology than giving a person a benefit of a doubt.

Everyone can see other people's BS, but not their own. :KentWinning: And people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks.

I find it funny you think I'm owed anything when I clearly stated that I've never expected valve to do anything about it and that you think I'm pretentious and throwing stones through a glass house just simply disagreeing with people. Okay?.... I love the mentality of "It's their platform you R stupeed for expressing your disagreement." from this comment. I've already addressed points like yours that you've made to other people about this so I'm not going to continue on this subject.

[Satoru]

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I find it funny you think I'm owed anything when I clearly stated that I've never expected valve to do anything about it and that you think I'm pretentious and throwing stones through a glass house just simply disagreeing with people. Okay?.... I love the mentality of "It's their platform you R stupeed for expressing your disagreement." from this comment. I've already addressed points like yours that you've made to other people about this so I'm not going to continue on this subject.

I mean you're not pretentious. You're just racist. You're just desperately trying to hide it by being pretentious and thinking that by using big words you can hid your true intentions.

"I want to be racist on the forum" is not the defense of your position you think it is.

[Aachen]

If the moral dimension isn’t “if developers are allowed a platform, then so ought I,” what exactly is the moral argument your are raising?

[CateredGamerGator]

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I find it funny you think I'm owed anything when I clearly stated that I've never expected valve to do anything about it and that you think I'm pretentious and throwing stones through a glass house just simply disagreeing with people. Okay?.... I love the mentality of "It's their platform you R stupeed for expressing your disagreement." from this comment. I've already addressed points like yours that you've made to other people about this so I'm not going to continue on this subject.

I mean you're not pretentious. You're just racist. You're just desperately trying to hide it by being pretentious and thinking that by using big words you can hid your true intentions.

"I want to be racist on the forum" is not the defense of your position you think it is.

lolokay "I'm wracist." okay what ever dude, I'm not going to keep on conversing with a person with vapid sense of self evidence and pretentious argumentation skills with a depth of a kiddie pool.

[CateredGamerGator]

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If the moral dimension isn’t “if developers are allowed a platform, then so ought I,” what exactly is the moral argument your are raising?

That it's pointless to allow comments in a dev's forum if the person can't in detail react to it with proper context needed that somehow violates a TOS. The thread and it's comments gives you my moral arguments.

[Mad Scientist]

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I find it funny you think I'm owed anything when I clearly stated that I've never expected valve to do anything about it and that you think I'm pretentious and throwing stones through a glass house just simply disagreeing with people. Okay?.... I love the mentality of "It's their platform you R stupeed for expressing your disagreement." from this comment. I've already addressed points like yours that you've made to other people about this so I'm not going to continue on this subject.

I mean you're not pretentious. You're just racist. You're just desperately trying to hide it by being pretentious and thinking that by using big words you can hid your true intentions.

"I want to be racist on the forum" is not the defense of your position you think it is.

People can dislike a Developer bandwagoning or advertising certain things without being a racist. Not liking certain things doesn't equate to the OP being a "racist".

[Aachen]

And one can use, e. g., a group to post whatever details or context they wish to provide.

[Satoru]

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People can dislike a Developer bandwagoning or advertising certain things without being a racist. Not liking certain things doesn't equate to the OP being a "racist".

If you dislike "Black History Month" well please by all means, tell me, how you are not racist

Because you know you can dress that up in all the pretentious nonsense you like, you're still racist.

[Mad Scientist]

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People can dislike a Developer bandwagoning or advertising certain things without being a racist. Not liking certain things doesn't equate to the OP being a "racist".

If you dislike "Black History Month" well please by all means, tell me, how you are not racist

It's not relevant to the game, often players only want a source of entertainment to stick to entertaining.

People can also dislike it without being racist. Labeling anyone that might possibly dislike or does dislike something, most definitely does not equate to racism. Accusing them of such as well for possibly disliking that thing, is also going to likely increase in the dislike of that particular thing based upon how others treat them over a perception.

It would be best to leave your personal politics out of it, and not label the OP as a racist.

[davidb11]

I hate pineapple, doesn't make me want to purge them all off the face of the Earth. :P

I'm just saying, there's a huge limit before someone is actually racist. Period.
it's not just a button one can press and go, "Hey, I make Hitler look tolerant." :P

[CateredGamerGator]

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People can dislike a Developer bandwagoning or advertising certain things without being a racist. Not liking certain things doesn't equate to the OP being a "racist".

If you dislike "Black History Month" well please by all means, tell me, how you are not racist

Because you know you can dress that up in all the pretentious nonsense you like, you're still racist.

I'm not explaining anything to a manipulating person that uses manipulative psychological tactics to deface people for having opinions. explaining things to you only would validate your unearned sense of righteousness.

[Tanoomba]

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Look at the backlash on the rocket league's thread. It is contentious, The fact you disagree with me causes it to be open for augmentative conversations.

Oh, the backlash is definitely contentious. There's nothing contentious about a studio choosing to celebrate Black History Month, though.

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I got my comments removed from that post even when I was being respectful and only using historical political context on why I disagree with the post.

That's an oxymoron. There is no "respectful" way to be against a studio celebrating Black History Month. It's an inherently disrespectful stance.

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We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.