Denuvo DRM removal, better game optimization and no more relying on DLSS

[DoMBaKiS]

So just saw Atomic Heart a highly anticipated game for some time now decided to add Denuvo 2 weeks before release and said nvidia DLLS, FSR will compensate for performance problems that Denuvo causes and sure that's great for people with higher end PCs that use higher end nvidia GPUs where they have DLLS 3, similar to FSR 2.0 where it works better on newer AMD GPUs.

What about people like me with 1660 ti that doesn't have support for DLSS at all are we just given the middle finger and told to ♥♥♥♥ off if we want to play a game or are we supposed to give our paychecks just to play a game we are interested in?

I say no I'm tired of all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we have to go through of all the lies we are asked to listen to and of all our hard earned cash we spend in hopes of promising titles being good titles, we should riot, boycot and speak our minds of what we think about all we have to go through.

Therefore my fellow gamers I ask do you support my cause for better game experience, better games, and no more lies or false promises. I ask or you to grab your torches and pitchforks and to stand for ourselves and for our games to both be great.

Comment on my post if you support my cause. I want to continue further with this I just don't know how much people would support what I think is good cause.

[SuperFly]

Shady SecuROM is still at it?
Shame.

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引用自 SuperFly：

Shady SecuROM is still at it?
Shame.

Do you have to post FUD?

[AustrAlien2010]

引用自 VirtuousReincarnation：

I haven't really noticed any effects from Denuvo so far

There's less freedom, as far as I understood it. Because there's an online requirement. And for people to need to have internet for a single player game.
People won't notice it, as long as they have internet.

[Niliu]

引用自 Gwarsbane：

引用自 Niliu：

You make no sense. If you don't pirate, why is DRM an issue? It doesn't affect anything. I've been gaming on PC since the 90s, never had an issue with any DRM on any game.

You're complaining about something that doesn't affect you, but directly protects people's intellectual property.

Are you suggesting we just drop copyright, trademark and piracy laws all together?

DRM is an issue because as I have explained in this thread and in a bunch of others, I have had problems with DRM conflicting with each other on my LEGALLY BOUGHT software/games in the past.


You just haven't bothered to read what others are talking about in here. I never said drop copyright or trademarks or piracy laws...

I said many times before....

REMOVE DRM FROM GAMES/SOFTWARE ONCE THEY HAVE BEEN PIRATED BECAUSE AT THAT POINT THE DRM IS USELESS ANYWAY AND ONLY CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BOUGHT IT LEGALLY.

Maybe having that all in caps might help people understand what at least some/most of us want.

And yes DRM does effect me, it can infect a system and in some cases you need a full reformat to get rid of a DRM for a game/software you no longer play/use.

Heck just look up "Sony BMG copy protection rootkit scandal". When DRM digs deep into an OS it can cause massive problems. But it only effected people who legally bought what ever the DRM is attached to.

Then there is the DRM that kills a product that someone legally bought just because the servers the DRM contacted were taken down. We've seen this with games and movies and songs. DRM server goes down for what ever reason, no one can use the product they bought legally.

People who pirate, are not effected by the DRM. Again DRM only effects those who actually bought the game/software its attached to. If you are able to pirate a game it means the DRM has already been broken.



Am I advocating for piracy? No I'm not. Quite the opposite actually, I want people to buy the games. I want the developers/publishers/IP owners to get money for what they have made. I want them to make more games. I just don't want to deal with the crappy DRM they put on stuff and once they remove it then I will buy it. And as I pointed out already there are many cases of DRM free games being huge hits. Its because the games were good.

I don't want games bad enough that I would pirate them, I have many other things I can do and play that I have bought over the years. Heck my gaming backlog alone could take me a decade to get through without needing to buy anything else. And its all stuff I bought when it was on sale for a price I felt was right and AFTER the DRM had been removed, if it had any to start with.

So please take your "you only want DRM gone so you can pirate" junk and put it somewhere else. Its bad logic because people who pirate don't worry about DRM. I worry about DRM because I don't pirate.

It's not an issue for real users though. See, people, like you, who fill their PC up with 3rd party software, trying to scrape all the performance you can from your PC... when all that crap is what's causing your issues.

DRM being a real issue stopped a long time ago, now it really is just the pirates and the kids who blindly click "yes" in every download box.

[DoMBaKiS]

引用自 Niliu：

It's not an issue for real users though. See, people, like you, who fill their PC up with 3rd party software, trying to scrape all the performance you can from your PC... when all that crap is what's causing your issues.

DRM being a real issue stopped a long time ago, now it really is just the pirates and the kids who blindly click "yes" in every download box.

13 years of service on steam and you still don't know that EA and Ubisoft made games force use a 3rd party software called "EA PLAY" or "UBISOFT CONNECT" which is their launcher
not sure but similar thing might happen with RDR2 because "ROCKSTAR LAUNCHER" exsists

the problem isn't the software the problem was the DRM they use which makes only one function and same ♥♥♥♥ could have happened with EA and pretty much any new Ubisoft game since EA forces you to install their launcher with it's built in DRM and play their STEAM games on their launcher and if you were to install a game like AC Origins I think which limits you to turning on the game 5 times a day because of Denuvo DRM they could have broken each other and made non of them or only one work

[Crazy Tiger]

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

13 years of service on steam and you still don't know that EA and Ubisoft made games force use a 3rd party software called "EA PLAY" or "UBISOFT CONNECT" which is their launcher
not sure but similar thing might happen with RDR2 because "ROCKSTAR LAUNCHER" exsists

Technically those are 1st party launchers for them. Steam is the 3rd party launcher from the publishers point of view.

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

I think which limits you to turning on the game 5 times a day because of Denuvo DRM

Denuvo can have a 5 time installation limit a day, yes, I'm aware of that one. But a "turn it on only 5 times a day" is new. Any source for that?

[DoMBaKiS]

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

13 years of service on steam and you still don't know that EA and Ubisoft made games force use a 3rd party software called "EA PLAY" or "UBISOFT CONNECT" which is their launcher
not sure but similar thing might happen with RDR2 because "ROCKSTAR LAUNCHER" exsists

Technically those are 1st party launchers for them. Steam is the 3rd party launcher from the publishers point of view.

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

I think which limits you to turning on the game 5 times a day because of Denuvo DRM

Denuvo can have a 5 time installation limit a day, yes, I'm aware of that one. But a "turn it on only 5 times a day" is new. Any source for that?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/812140/Assassins_Creed_Odyssey/

[Crazy Tiger]

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

Technically those are 1st party launchers for them. Steam is the 3rd party launcher from the publishers point of view.


Denuvo can have a 5 time installation limit a day, yes, I'm aware of that one. But a "turn it on only 5 times a day" is new. Any source for that?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/812140/Assassins_Creed_Odyssey/

Yes, a 5 times a day activation limit. That means that you can install and activate it on 5 times within 24 hours. Once installed and activated, you can launch it as often as you want.

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引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

https://store.steampowered.com/app/812140/Assassins_Creed_Odyssey/

Yes, a 5 times a day activation limit. That means that you can install and activate it on 5 times within 24 hours. Once installed and activated, you can launch it as often as you want.

Careful when you correct misinformation.

[SuperFly]

引用自 Crashed：

引用自 SuperFly：

Shady SecuROM is still at it?
Shame.

Do you have to post FUD?

When the consumer is at risk, they deserve to know where the threats are coming from.
Otherwise, they can't make informed decisions with their monies.

...do you have to smokescreen for SecuROM?

[Crashed]

引用自 SuperFly：

引用自 Crashed：

Do you have to post FUD?

When the consumer is at risk, they deserve to know where the threats are coming from.
Otherwise, they can't make informed decisions with their monies.

...do you have to smokescreen for SecuROM?

Customer is at risk of what? Only thing I see a risk of is disinformation.

[Hopeless Ne'er-Do-Well]

引用自 AustrAlien2010：

引用自 VirtuousReincarnation：

I haven't really noticed any effects from Denuvo so far

There's less freedom, as far as I understood it. Because there's an online requirement. And for people to need to have internet for a single player game.
People won't notice it, as long as they have internet.

Oh, that's just as bad then.

引用自 Crazy Tiger：

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

13 years of service on steam and you still don't know that EA and Ubisoft made games force use a 3rd party software called "EA PLAY" or "UBISOFT CONNECT" which is their launcher
not sure but similar thing might happen with RDR2 because "ROCKSTAR LAUNCHER" exsists

Technically those are 1st party launchers for them. Steam is the 3rd party launcher from the publishers point of view.

引用自 DoMBaKiS：

I think which limits you to turning on the game 5 times a day because of Denuvo DRM

Denuvo can have a 5 time installation limit a day, yes, I'm aware of that one. But a "turn it on only 5 times a day" is new. Any source for that?

While they are technically first-party programs for those companies, it's odd to look at that from their view, when we're on a platform (Steam) where they would be seen as third-party (not from Valve, so it's third-party to those here using Steam), just as it would be on consoles or any other platform.

引用自 Niliu：

It's not an issue for real users though.

It definitely affects real users.
People wouldn't be here complaining about it otherwise.

Just recently, I had an issue where I couldn't play Immortals Fenyx Rising because, if I am correct, an update to Ubisoft Connect broke its compatibility layer with Linux, and it couldn't connect to the internet to verify.

[SuperFly]

引用自 Crashed：

引用自 SuperFly：

When the consumer is at risk, they deserve to know where the threats are coming from.
Otherwise, they can't make informed decisions with their monies.

...do you have to smokescreen for SecuROM?

Customer is at risk of what? Only thing I see a risk of is disinformation.

You'd have to understand the concept of data security and how/why giving untrustworthy software kernel-access to your PC is poised to be a potentially-crippling process.

What's disinformation is disregarding the known performance issues caused by these unnecessary "safety" programs -- and also pretending there's a pedigree to Denuvo that's worthy of any form of praise.
Folks who've been around on the internet for some decades know exactly where that brainchild was born -- and its reception won't change, regardless of who's throwing how much money at it.

[Brian9824]

Take it up with the game dev's, they are free to design their software as they see fit. If you don't like it then vote with your wallet and not buy it.

[Hopeless Ne'er-Do-Well]

引用自 brian9824：

Take it up with the game dev's, they are free to design their software as they see fit. If you don't like it then vote with your wallet and not buy it.

I really doubt that'll do anything.
They more than likely wouldn't care if you asked them to remove it, and not buying their games won't have much effect when many others don't know or don't care and will still buy them.