Denuvo DRM removal, better game optimization and no more relying on DLSS

[DoMBaKiS]

So just saw Atomic Heart a highly anticipated game for some time now decided to add Denuvo 2 weeks before release and said nvidia DLLS, FSR will compensate for performance problems that Denuvo causes and sure that's great for people with higher end PCs that use higher end nvidia GPUs where they have DLLS 3, similar to FSR 2.0 where it works better on newer AMD GPUs.

What about people like me with 1660 ti that doesn't have support for DLSS at all are we just given the middle finger and told to ♥♥♥♥ off if we want to play a game or are we supposed to give our paychecks just to play a game we are interested in?

I say no I'm tired of all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we have to go through of all the lies we are asked to listen to and of all our hard earned cash we spend in hopes of promising titles being good titles, we should riot, boycot and speak our minds of what we think about all we have to go through.

Therefore my fellow gamers I ask do you support my cause for better game experience, better games, and no more lies or false promises. I ask or you to grab your torches and pitchforks and to stand for ourselves and for our games to both be great.

Comment on my post if you support my cause. I want to continue further with this I just don't know how much people would support what I think is good cause.

[GridNom XP]

DLSS has pros but it has got one major con too. Like Forsbroken game.
Devs these days seem to rely and throw everything on DLSS for maximum fps.
As if "You're not getting 60 fps? No problemo, turn on DLSS/FSR and see the magic" - said by literally every game makers.

[RiO]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

What about people like me with 1660 ti that doesn't have support for DLSS

You're supposed to cancel your pre-order, if you had any pending, and let your wallet speak.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

So just saw Atomic Heart a highly anticipated game for some time now decided to add Denuvo 2 weeks before release and said nvidia DLLS, FSR will compensate for performance problems that Denuvo causes and sure that's great for people with higher end PCs that use higher end nvidia GPUs where they have DLLS 3, similar to FSR 2.0 where it works better on newer AMD GPUs.

What about people like me with 1660 ti that doesn't have support for DLSS at all are we just given the middle finger and told to ♥♥♥♥ off if we want to play a game or are we supposed to give our paychecks just to play a game we are interested in?

I say no I'm tired of all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we have to go through of all the lies we are asked to listen to and of all our hard earned cash we spend in hopes of promising titles being good titles, we should riot, boycot and speak our minds of what we think about all we have to go through.

Therefore my fellow gamers I ask do you support my cause for better game experience, better games, and no more lies or false promises. I ask or you to grab your torches and pitchforks and to stand for ourselves and for our games to both be great.

Comment on my post if you support my cause. I want to continue further with this I just don't know how much people would support what I think is good cause.

Post in the games discussion area, this is the suggestions and ideas area for the Steam client or website which has nothing to do with the game other than telling it to launch.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/#games

Valve will not tell game developers to not add denuvo or anything else.

All you can do is speak with your wallet and cancel your preorder. Its stuff like this why I never preorder games to start with. I will wait till Denuvo is removed from a game before buying it and if they never remove it, I never buy it. There has been games that are many years old, on sale for 90% off (or more in some cases depending on where I buy it) and I still won't touch it because of denuvo and I have let the developers know that and their future games removed denuvo quickly or didn't include it in the first place and I bought those ones.

But posting here does nothing because Valve will not pass on your frustration. You need to post in the games discussion area. You need to tell the game developer no to stuff you don't like.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by RiO:

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

What about people like me with 1660 ti that doesn't have support for DLSS

You're supposed to cancel your pre-order, if you had any pending, and let your wallet speak.

Pretty much this. I mean the games generally strip the denuvo out after about 3-6 months any way . SO he can grab it around say the summer sale.


The fact that the devs are leaning so heavuily on hardware features and drivers is gonna pose a problem though. We've seen this before...

[AustrAlien2010]

I have bought a game once, once they removed Denuvo from it. I do keep track of that.

[DoMBaKiS]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by RiO:

You're supposed to cancel your pre-order, if you had any pending, and let your wallet speak.

Pretty much this. I mean the games generally strip the denuvo out after about 3-6 months any way . SO he can grab it around say the summer sale.


The fact that the devs are leaning so heavuily on hardware features and drivers is gonna pose a problem though. We've seen this before...

but games still leave denuvo on them years later only place that they remove it on is GOG because GOG doesn't let games with DRMs get on their store

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Pretty much this. I mean the games generally strip the denuvo out after about 3-6 months any way . SO he can grab it around say the summer sale.


The fact that the devs are leaning so heavuily on hardware features and drivers is gonna pose a problem though. We've seen this before...

but games still leave denuvo on them years later only place that they remove it on is GOG because GOG doesn't let games with DRMs get on their store

No, Denuvo does get removed from games on Steam. It just takes the developer a while to do it usually. Most of the time its long after the DRM has become pointless because the game has already been cracked.

But there are also many games that still have it on long after its been cracked. Most of the time its because the developers are too lazy to remove it or there is no developer around anymore to remove it and its costly to get a developer in to remove it and put up a denuvo free game.

One of the things developers/publishers/IP owners could do is while the game is in active development, keep a copy of a denuvo free game updated and ready to go. And once the game is cracked, remove denuvo right away. But that does cost extra money.

But if they did remove denuvo people like myself would more then likely buy games that currently have it in them. Atomic Heart is on my wishlist, it looks fun. Till Denuvo is gone, I won't touch it. I will speak with my wallet. But I also know I am a rare kind of person who will stick to what they say no matter how long it takes.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Pretty much this. I mean the games generally strip the denuvo out after about 3-6 months any way . SO he can grab it around say the summer sale.


The fact that the devs are leaning so heavuily on hardware features and drivers is gonna pose a problem though. We've seen this before...

but games still leave denuvo on them years later only place that they remove it on is GOG because GOG doesn't let games with DRMs get on their store

Some do leave it in. SOme take it out..
The devs make the call on that but it does happen. Fairly frequently.

[AustrAlien2010]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/584400/Sonic_Mania/
This one had Denuvo earlier, and then they removed Denuvo from it. But people still complain about Denuvo, even though the developer removed Denuvo from it.

You should buy this title out of principle.

[Crazy Tiger]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Pretty much this. I mean the games generally strip the denuvo out after about 3-6 months any way . SO he can grab it around say the summer sale.


The fact that the devs are leaning so heavuily on hardware features and drivers is gonna pose a problem though. We've seen this before...

but games still leave denuvo on them years later only place that they remove it on is GOG because GOG doesn't let games with DRMs get on their store

Then get those games on GoG. I know it's not the answer you want to hear, but developers are free to utilise DRM if they so wish.

Vote with your wallet. Just don't be surprised if other people vote differently.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by AustrAlien2010:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/584400/Sonic_Mania/
This one had Denuvo earlier, and then they removed Denuvo from it. But people still complain about Denuvo, even though the developer removed Denuvo from it.

You should buy this title out of principle.

On the principle that it is a good game

[DoMBaKiS]

Originally posted by Gwarsbane:

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

but games still leave denuvo on them years later only place that they remove it on is GOG because GOG doesn't let games with DRMs get on their store

No, Denuvo does get removed from games on Steam. It just takes the developer a while to do it usually. Most of the time its long after the DRM has become pointless because the game has already been cracked.

But there are also many games that still have it on long after its been cracked. Most of the time its because the developers are too lazy to remove it or there is no developer around anymore to remove it and its costly to get a developer in to remove it and put up a denuvo free game.

One of the things developers/publishers/IP owners could do is while the game is in active development, keep a copy of a denuvo free game updated and ready to go. And once the game is cracked, remove denuvo right away. But that does cost extra money.

But if they did remove denuvo people like myself would more then likely buy games that currently have it in them. Atomic Heart is on my wishlist, it looks fun. Till Denuvo is gone, I won't touch it. I will speak with my wallet. But I also know I am a rare kind of person who will stick to what they say no matter how long it takes.

I mean for example Deathloop has a Denuvo free version on GOG but not on steam

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

I mean for example Deathloop has a Denuvo free version on GOG but not on steam

It doesn't matter. Developers are allowed to do that on Steam.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

I say no I'm tired of all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we have to go through of all the lies we are asked to listen to and of all our hard earned cash we spend in hopes of promising titles being good titles, we should riot, boycot and speak our minds of what we think about all we have to go through.

Exactly what do you have to "go through" when playing Denuvo titles?

I've played plenty and not once have I even seen it anywhere. I haven't had to do anything special to run Denuvo titles.

Performance issues? Well you'll need to provide proof that it actually causes enough performance issues on PCs.

Youtubers have tried to find games that dropped Denuvo and it's a mixed bag. Some got worse. Some got better. Some didn't change.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by DoMBaKiS:

I mean for example Deathloop has a Denuvo free version on GOG but not on steam

That is 100% up to the developers to provide that on Steam if they want to. Valve is not going to force them to have the same version with no DRM.

If you want it DRM free on Steam you need to go ask the developer. Valve can't provide a new DRM free version of the game because they don't own it. They don't have the source code for it.