Proton on Mac about time.

[Hellfire]

Wine has been working on Apple Silcon for quite some time now, is it not time to port proton onto mac already and open up all the development with the steamdeck to mac users?

[ut]

It wouldn't be that easy.

Wine runs on Macs, but it's significantly worse than on Linux. Mac graphics libraries are missing features that others rely on for compatibility in the translation layers... I don't have the first-hand knowledge to tell you whether or not that got better with Metal 3. You'd probably get a sense of it if you searched the web for "mac wine dxvk metal" or so.

On top of that, it only really makes sense for Valve to burn money propping up Linux since Windows is such a threat to Steam's existence. There's no business justification like that to justify a similarly massive investment in building up Wine on top of macOS. More the opposite. If anything, Apple's more hostile to third party developers than Microsoft is.

[Satoru]

Uh you can talk to Apple about that because Apple controls the entire graphical stack on MacOS. And they don’t even allow modern OpenGL to be used on Macs they only “barely” support OpenGL 2.0 and even that is likely to die soon. There is literally zero chance anything like Proton will ever work on MacOS, Apple will never let it happen.

This is also discounting the fact that proton is x86 based which can’t even run on M1 anyway. So why waste time trying to make something work that Apple is absolutely going to kill off in a few years

[Yzal]

People stop using Mac about time.

[Satoru]

Originally posted by Lazy Dog:

People stop using Mac about time.

I mean once Rosetta2 is killed off in a few years everyone Mac library is going to die no matter what

[VEIL.SYNDICATE]

Originally posted by Lazy Dog:

People stop using Mac about time.

but what else is there, there isn't anything comparable to a macbook, like in build quality, hardware, os...

[Vertigo]

Originally posted by VESPER_XO:

Originally posted by Lazy Dog:

People stop using Mac about time.

but what else is there, there isn't anything comparable to a macbook, like in build quality, hardware, os...

There are a lot of low quality, slow laptops out there.
No need for an overpriced one just for the Apple branding...

[Haruspex]

Apple's goal with Mac in recent years is to lock it down similar to how they have iOS locked down. All software on Mac will only be purchasable through a dedicated Mac app store. This will kill Steam on Mac, and any Mac game purchases will be done exclusively through Apple.

[Hellfire]

I looks like Apple is taking the step. The PC version of steam is installable on the latest development copy of the next Mac operating system. Well done Valve..

[VEIL.SYNDICATE]

Originally posted by Vertigo:

Originally posted by VESPER_XO:

but what else is there, there isn't anything comparable to a macbook, like in build quality, hardware, os...

There are a lot of low quality, slow laptops out there.
No need for an overpriced one just for the Apple branding...

looks like u clearly don't know what ur talking about, pre-arm64 (Apple Silicon) maybe bad cuz of intel, but now we have potent hardware (Desktop RTX 3080 territory) in a slim 14" body laptop, that sips power peak 60W for me CPU+GPU, there isn't anything windows that get's close, and u know that ;) so it's just a matter of time till the x86 world slowly adapts ( what they already do ) to get on that level... x86 is dead.

[rsohn]

Originally posted by VEIL.SYNDICATE:

Originally posted by Lazy Dog:

People stop using Mac about time.

but what else is there, there isn't anything comparable to a macbook, like in build quality, hardware, os...

The ms surface

[Abigail From Sneaky Squid Dept.]

Apple has made it pretty clear that they want developers to develop exclusively for their walled in garden or not at all.

Originally posted by VEIL.SYNDICATE:

Originally posted by Vertigo:

There are a lot of low quality, slow laptops out there.
No need for an overpriced one just for the Apple branding...

looks like u clearly don't know what ur talking about, pre-arm64 (Apple Silicon) maybe bad cuz of intel, but now we have potent hardware (Desktop RTX 3080 territory) in a slim 14" body laptop, that sips power peak 60W for me CPU+GPU, there isn't anything windows that get's close, and u know that ;) so it's just a matter of time till the x86 world slowly adapts ( what they already do ) to get on that level... x86 is dead.

Doesn't matter how great your hardware is if no one is really developing for it.

[Nanami]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.