Remove Deleted Game Achievements from AGCR

[More Sly]

People who like earning achievements in games, especially 100%ing, can be negatively affected by bad developers with broken achievements, or achievements that are otherwise not unlockable.

I'm not quite a dedicated 100%er, but I do aim for it from time-to-time, and this bothers me sometimes when I'm looking for my next game, or when I would like to remove a bad developer from my profile completely. I've seen the permanence of AGCR, in respect to deleted games, mentioned in a number of places (like here) and have made a thread in an achievement hunter group about a similar idea previously.

Seems like a nice way to give people some control in their profile when they are frustrated by a developer. Even if it's limited to games people have deleted from their profile completely, I think users who care about achievements would find it helpful.

[Tanoomba]

The only issue is that "caring about achievements" doesn't really entitle someone to manipulate data and effectively erase things that have happened.

[More Sly]

Originally posted by Tanoomba:

The only issue is that "caring about achievements" doesn't really entitle someone to manipulate data and effectively erase things that have happened.

It's not really "manipulation", though. It's black and white - the requirement to delete a title from your library would make this a last resort. It's just making games you delete fully deleted, instead of letting this one stat linger for some reason.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by More Sly:

Originally posted by Tanoomba:

The only issue is that "caring about achievements" doesn't really entitle someone to manipulate data and effectively erase things that have happened.

It's not really "manipulation", though. It's black and white - the requirement to delete a title from your library would make this a last resort. It's just making games you delete fully deleted, instead of letting this one stat linger for some reason.

There is no requirement to delete a game from your library. There is a want to do that, but no requirement. Since there is no requirement to delete a game there is no reason to manipulate the data which is what you are doing.

Also even the "perma delete" of a game is not actually deleting, its just an advanced hide. Game is still attached to your account. At any point you can actually return them to your library without having to rebuy them.

Also Valve doesn't delete achievements from games. If you want an achievement removed from a game, go ask the developer/publisher/IP owner. If you can't or they won't, well then you are out of luck. Valve doesn't mess with other companies games, they are hands on in that way.

[Aachen]

Yes removing “inconvenient” games from factoring into a user’s AGC is manipulation.

If some achievement is unobtainable and you want to obtain it, there are third-party tools available (at one’s own risk, of course).

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by More Sly:

It's not really "manipulation", though. It's black and white - the requirement to delete a title from your library would make this a last resort. It's just making games you delete fully deleted, instead of letting this one stat linger for some reason.

Of course it is manipulation after all it is part of your gaming history but if you delete you are stating"i have never picked a bad game, only ones worth playing".

Can you remove stats from Battlenet etc or consoles? No.

[Sleepy Yoshi]

One of the problem's with this idea is that the delete function is really only a 'hide' option. The game is not actually deleted and you could install it and start it up again at any time of your choosing.

If you remove achievements based on that function, then you trivialise the very thing you are trying to improve. Tbh, you'll have more luck adjusting your thinking then you'll have of getting any changes on this from Valve.

[_galaxy]

Might be just me but I always found the "ACGR" metric silly. Way too many factors at play. And it leads you to playing less game for a number that in the end doesn't really matter. If it was a leaderboard one could work towards it's a fine goal.

Also, anything that devalues broken or removed achievements could affect those that do care about them. For instance those that like getting 100% on removed games.

Originally posted by Sleepy Yoshi:

One of the problem's with this idea is that the delete function is really only a 'hide' option. The game is not actually deleted and you could install it and start it up again at any time of your choosing.

If you remove achievements based on that function, then you trivialise the very thing you are trying to improve. Tbh, you'll have more luck adjusting your thinking then you'll have of getting any changes on this from Valve.

This. Why people care so much about this stat?

[Supafly]

May aswell just use SAM to unlock them. SAM or deleting games to affect AGCR is manipulating the data. Just accept that you don't have 100% and may NOT get 100% especially if you buy old games where online servers no longer exist.

[More Sly]

Guess I might be in the minority. To me it seems more like a vanity "stat" more than an important metric to be preserved, and something that broken achievements hinder the usefulness of.

Deleting a game being an advanced "hide" is news to me, though. Fair point. I suppose I could see AGCR as a record, but it always appeared more like a goal to me - which is why a workaround seems more pertinent to me and less like a trivialization. But I can see the argument.

[_galaxy]

Originally posted by More Sly:

Guess I might be in the minority. To me it seems more like a vanity "stat" more than an important metric to be preserved, and something that broken achievements hinder the usefulness of.

Deleting a game being an advanced "hide" is news to me, though. Fair point. I suppose I could see AGCR as a record, but it always appeared more like a goal to me - which is why a workaround seems more pertinent to me and less like a trivialization. But I can see the argument.

Me too. Out of all the stats one could work towards this is the dumbest one. It actively harms your ability to enjoy games. When I was in my achievement days it was the one I didn't care about... I did enjoy collecting deleted games though. These days I'm busier to enjoy that, so I just buy games that interest me. Way too many bullshitery achievements to afford getting 100% on everything...

[ᗰ.]

Not so long ago, this option was available for 2-3 weeks. It didn't work well with subscription games, but other than that it was great.
So Valve can do it, and like many users, I'm in favor of bringing this feature back.

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by Эскобар:

Not so long ago, this option was available for 2-3 weeks. It didn't work well with subscription games, but other than that it was great.
So Valve can do it, and like many users, I'm in favor of bringing this feature back.

*Citation Needed*
In other words- some proof of this ever being a thing and exactly when?

[Garou]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Originally posted by Эскобар:

Not so long ago, this option was available for 2-3 weeks. It didn't work well with subscription games, but other than that it was great.
So Valve can do it, and like many users, I'm in favor of bringing this feature back.

*Citation Needed*
In other words- some proof of this ever being a thing and exactly when?

Timeline of events detailed in here:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/0/3791506516124111104/

[ᗰ.]

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

Originally posted by Эскобар:

Not so long ago, this option was available for 2-3 weeks. It didn't work well with subscription games, but other than that it was great.
So Valve can do it, and like many users, I'm in favor of bringing this feature back.

*Citation Needed*
In other words- some proof of this ever being a thing and exactly when?

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/A0kn5/apparently-permanently-deleting-games-is-enough-to-remove-unwanted-achievements-now/search?page=2#9F6utkv

[IFIYGD]

Originally posted by Эскобар:

Originally posted by IFIYGD:

*Citation Needed*
In other words- some proof of this ever being a thing and exactly when?

https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/A0kn5/apparently-permanently-deleting-games-is-enough-to-remove-unwanted-achievements-now/search?page=2#9F6utkv

That isn't proof.
That is a Steamgifts thread started by one person, with easy to "fake" Steam Support messages posted by them, and a link to a Steam Group not run by Valve, with a theory posted as "fact".

Proof. Actual proof, not a bunch of random people making guesses, please.