gb per dollar ratio stats (or how much game weights in shown as searchable tag) in store search/store game page

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a questionable metric but still, often games that take 10mb coast 10 dollars, now way its more entertaining than 10gb for 10 dollars, at least in most cases

[Zefar]

Basing the game priced on how much it takes up is both a ridiculous idea and horrible idea.

All this will do is make game developers make their game take way more than it should because why the hell not?

Hollow Knight that I love a ton only takes about 9 GB. By your calculation this game should cost less than $10 on launch. Absolutely ridiculous.

I'm sure Valve doesn't want every game to take over 50-60 GB just to get it too $60.

[Tanoomba]

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all articles about games are biased towards paid reviews, so do yt reviews, so all "research is based on biased content.

They're "paid reviews" in that the critics are doing their job by writing reviews and are getting paid for it. They are not being paid to give games positive reviews. Critics' reviews are honest and informative and they are incredibly useful in giving you an idea of what to expect if you buy a game.

But hey, if you don't trust critics just check Steam reviews. Those are all from regular Steam users, and they can still help you get informed. It's silly to pretend that you simply can't find information about a game before buying it.

[Aachen]

Deeply enjoy the position based on looking-down-one’s-nose at games other people enjoy.

[Crazy Tiger]

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So your logic is based on you projecting. That isn't actually a compelling argument.

If people don't research what they buy, that's on them. And there is nothing confusing about anything, all the info is there. And if people still aren't sure, they can easily do a youtube search for some gameplay videos.

File size says nothing about how good a game is. In this thread there are quite some examples of games that have low filesizes but seriously trump lots of large filesize games.

all articles about games are biased towards paid reviews, so do yt reviews, so all "research is based on biased content.

I'm not talking about reviews. I only watch no commentary let's plays. Shows the game and nothing else.

Your size/cost metric is also heavily biased.

[Mad Scientist]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

I'm not talking about reviews. I only watch no commentary let's plays. Shows the game and nothing else.

Your size/cost metric is also heavily biased.

my problem is basically wasting time searching for games i would end up purchasing, most of my purchases are valid, ie i dont usually want to return the game, its just a waste of time looking for games in piles of piles of shovelware due to lack of credible tools in search.

You can use the filters to get rid of almost all entries you do not want if they're in specific categories.

No one is going to adopt a feature to cap the price based upon the storage it uses. This idea doesn't seem to have any company benefit or community benefit.

There are plenty of places to see gameplay videos or reviews that are not paid, they can be found fairly easily.

[Crazy Tiger]

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Diposting pertama kali oleh Crazy Tiger:

I'm not talking about reviews. I only watch no commentary let's plays. Shows the game and nothing else.

Your size/cost metric is also heavily biased.

my problem is basically wasting time searching for games i would end up purchasing, most of my purchases are valid, ie i dont usually want to return the game, its just a waste of time looking for games in piles of piles of shovelware due to lack of credible tools in search.

I do question how you search then. I mean, I don't run into the shovelware people always complain about, but I don't go through "new & trending" lists and such. Cause that's just asking for it.

Have you tried the interactive recommender?

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

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some things like date release is missing or incorrect , for example most of the time i look for games released in particular years but no such thing is searchable, when i try to search online for it its maybe on abandonware site but not on steam, so its particularly hard to find and some steam games got released date wrong, ie a game made in 1995 is recorderded as released in 2017 ie date it was released on steam.

Release dates are text fields and the developer/publisher can use either the original release date or the Steam release date.

[Tanoomba]

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reviews are a form of entertainment so naturally people are tend toward reviews that are fun rather than critical

I have no doubt that plenty of YouTubers go for style over substance when they discuss games. That doesn't mean there aren't tons of extremely informative and professionally-written reviews at your disposal. Heck, just check the critic side of MetaCritic for any game you're interested in. You'll find plenty of quality reviews.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

i never seen an honest hard facts based reviews

Reviews aren't based on facts, their based on personal, subjective opinions.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

if you are fool enough to believe them most of the time you end up with a random product you got no clue what to do with

First of all, it's not a matter of "believing them". It's a matter of learning more about the game so you can better decide if it will appeal to you, personally.
Secondly, I have NEVER ended up with "a random product I got no clue what to do with", even if I bought it without checking any reviews at all. You're making up some weird scenarios here.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

like you watch it as a form of looking at a fun thing to read, not to be really informed

The two aren't mutually exclusive, but again: You can find serious reviews if you prefer them. They are not hard to find.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

including tools or search for example how many people returned the game, average play time etc, not just some guy talking about it to make money off of yt views/article clicktrhoughs/reads.

If a reviewer refunded the game, the review will be marked as such. You also see exactly how much time the reviewer played the game before writing the review. You can also, you know, read the review and see if it's informative.

In any case, even if all your doubts were well-founded (and they're really, really not), your proposed solution wouldn't help at all. There is zero correlation between how fun a game is and how much space it takes up on your hard drive.

[Zefar]

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reviews are a form of entertainment so naturally people are tend toward reviews that are fun rather than critical, like i never seen an honest hard facts based reviews, most people just throw a bunch of random things together to intertain reader/viewer and if you are fool enough to believe them most of the time you end up with a random product you got no clue what to do with, same where people review cclothers or other thing which you just straight order online after whatching a review, ie no way to tell if a product is good based even on size or other technical detail which is why i called it questionable, but at least its honest fact rather than a piece of entertainment that people based their purchase on. again reviews in themselves are not a critical look but a critical form of entertainment, same as political shows or documentaraies, like you watch it as a form of looking at a fun thing to read, not to be really informed, same people based opinion on other things like cat documentaries, then get a cat and be disappointed it was not as fun as people talked bout it on tv. which to me only solution to this is give user as much information about products as possible including tools or search for example how many people returned the game, average play time etc, not just some guy talking about it to make money off of yt views/article clicktrhoughs/reads.

Don't know what reviews you watch on Youtube but the ones I've watched have clearly showed me a lot of things about the game and pointed out flaws and good points.
By the end of the review I know what I'll get.

Even guys like Sseth puts in a low information about the game so that you know what it is about and how it plays.

Maybe this is an issue that is on you not being able to understand what the reviewer is talking about.

Size and technical data does not really make for good review scores too. It's easily the worst metric.

What are they going to say? Oh this game takes up 50 GB so it's really good and have a lot of content. You'll have no idea what the game is about or how it plays going by that.

[Zefar]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

how is adding more stats to search function hinder developers making good games?

How is size to Dollar even remotely helpful?
It tells you nothing about the game. Buying because of that is the same as buying a pig in a bag.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

bad devs strive in lack of information, ie you trust some random person on the internet with your purchase without any factual information about the product,

So I'm gonna use https://www.youtube.com/@MandaloreGaming as an example of a reviewer I trust. Along with Sseth.

Both of these people show the game. Both people will tell you a lot about the game. One adding a bit more memes than the other. But I will still know a lot about the game at the end of the review.

There is more factual information from these two individual compared to ANY other reviewer out there. There is no other field where where you get as much information about the thing you're looking for than Game reviews.
These people are also not paid by game companies to shill for them.

If you haven't gotten any facts from the review you are either watching some of shortest reviews out there, or you're not paying attention or you don't understand the language they are talking in.
Even then you still get gameplay videos.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

in car sales at least you get technical information, in games you trust some random influencer to tell you what games you should play, ofc from my experience none of the reviews i ever watched gave me the end product i ended up playing, it was always first hand experience, and in the absence of that factual information about the product is next thing i would trust over reviews. i dont ask for just this thing or say like its going to solve all problems with bad purchases but its a start.

Car sales people are some of the least trust worthy sales people on the market. Specially when it comes to used cars.
https://youtu.be/WV3boEx6E3Q?t=571
Just listen to the story after that timestamp. He got more stories about bad car sales people. Even from bigger car brands who sold his mom 3 cars that all broke down on a timer. Because the company could then cash in on repair costs. They actually did this due to money.

Thinking you can trust a car sales person over a big Youtube game reviewer is ridiculous. The Youtube game reviewer needs to actually have reputation to become successful.

Car sales people don't. Carvana has on several occasions sold stolen cars and it's not discouraged people from buying from them.


Also what does cars have to do with games? What technical stuff do I need to care about? I'm buying software not hardware.
I have 3 TB of SSD storage. I don't install everything I own on Steam. Worrying about lack of space was something I did when I was a kid and had a 4 GB Harddrive.
The size of the game is only slightly useful to people who are on limited connection. But that information is already on the store page when looking up recommended space.

[Tanoomba]

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this is why i dont read reviews, is because its an opinion

Of course a review is an opinion. But a good review contains a lot of useful information that will help you determine if the game will appeal to you. A positive review, for instance, might discourage you from buying a game if the things the reviewer loves are things you don't like (and vice versa). You seem to be looking at it as though "If the reviewer doesn't share my tastes, then the review is useless" but that's not how it works.

[Tanoomba]

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it gives me 0 information because people dont share same interests

That's not true at all. You can get a lot of information from a well-written review, even if the reviewer's tastes are very different from yours.

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

so same thing basically you can buy a positiveley rated game and still not like it.

Again, I'm not saying to buy a game if you read a positive review for it. I'm saying to read well-written reviews that inform you about what the game contains, how it plays, and whether it's likely to appeal to you.

[Zefar]

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this is why i dont read reviews, is because its an opinion, and people got preferences, max of what i read is technical issue rants which give me a clue if a game works or not, and this can be basically replaced by crash statistcis, or other non review thing where you can see actual stats vs a biased opinion, someone got 1 game crash and puts 0 review score and someone else got 1 crash every hour and still gives a game an 80 percent score, for this i got 0 trust in any review score be it negative or positive.

Why did the subject suddenly change to written reviews? It had nothing to do with what I posted or commented on.

If a game crashes too much people are going to report on it. But the problem is if only a certain system get those problems.

Nier Automata had a white screen bug for AMD card owners where as Nvidia owners where doing just fine.
So depending on what you had you could enjoy the game.

[76561198407601200]

Diposting pertama kali oleh MOLDEKOKE:

a questionable metric but still, often games that take 10mb coast 10 dollars, now way its more entertaining than 10gb for 10 dollars, at least in most cases

They have this feature in the system requirements. You would take the amount of space needed for the game, divided by the price.

[Dani.]

Cod: Warzone is the best game ever made then lmfao