Thoughts about the Steam Deck having exclusive games?

[Labyrinth2 0]

If all the console games have their own exclusive games, why not the deck itself? There are already PC games that are only compatible with Windows and Mac OS's only, or both. Why not one for the Linux system the Deck is based on?

[FOXDUDE69]

引用自 brian9824：

So again makes no sense for Steam as once again, trying to compare steam to consoles isn't an apt analogy as the markets are very different.

Only makes no sense if you forget or willfully ignore the fact that non steam users buying the Deck directly translates to more people using the Steam store and more people buying games from Steam that otherwise wouldn't.

Stating that "markets are different" once in a while does not change this reality. The more people using your device, the more people using your store, same as for regular consoles, unless you believe that only people already heavily invested in Steam purchased the Deck, which a quick look online, especially on Youtube, will quickly disprove.

[Brian9824]

引用自 FOX6NINE：

引用自 brian9824：

So again makes no sense for Steam as once again, trying to compare steam to consoles isn't an apt analogy as the markets are very different.

Only makes no sense if you forget or willfully ignore the fact that non steam users buying the Deck directly translates to more people using the Steam store and more people buying games from Steam that otherwise wouldn't.

That would be a definite minority of users as the steam deck is targeted to those who already had a steam account. I mean last time I checked its not even sold to users unless they had a steam account...

引用自 FOX6NINE：

Stating that "markets are different" once in a while does not change this reality.

Not much of a reality when you can't even buy the steam deck without having a steam account, unlike users being able to buy a PS5 without a Sony account. Yet another example of the markets being different.

引用自 FOX6NINE：

The more people using your device, the more people using your store, same as for regular consoles, unless you believe that only people already heavily invested in Steam purchased the Deck, which a quick look online, especially on Youtube, will quickly disprove.

Somewhat accurate, but again your woefully confused between consoles with a locked OS and the steam deck with an Open OS. Lots of people did in fact buy the steam deck to remove steams OS and install other OS's and play EPIC, and other games on it as well. Something which a quick look online, especially on Youtube, will quickly prove....

Again its very different from the consoles with their locked ecosystem, and sunk costs. Where once you buy into say a Playstation your less likely to shop around because you are heavily invested in them and the equipment proves a barrier.

With Steam and the Steam deck your not locked into any one system, having one game or 1000 games on steam doesn't effect your ability to buy/play games from other stores as the hardware isn't locked to Steam like a console is. Its why people can use Steam, battle.net. Epic, etc all on the same device, unlike people only being able to play playstation games on PS5..

It's basic fundamental differences between a locked console and an open PC.

Of course your getting off on a tangent as usual. The entire point was that if exclusives were supposed to increase users of Steam then it would be nonsensical to make it limited to the steam deck. A STEAM exclusive which would also be playable on the steam deck would make far more sense. Making it exclusive to JUST the steam deck doesn't make any sense when it could be exclusive to the entirety of Steam instead. Such as if they made HL3 and it was playable only on Steam which includes the steam deck and OTHER portable PC's that can also run steam games.

[zaphodikus]

The deck is a way to get people into the ecosystem. If it was not, then it would be it's own ecosystem, which @fox6Nine does hint at being a driver. Perhaps the licensing model had all along been planned that way, but now Valve can write anything into their agreements as they are a big publisher. It's a big bet, and so far it's looking workable - but I'm a built-it-myself person, so consoles will always look wierd to me.

[Brian9824]

引用自 zaphodikus：

The deck is a way to get people into the ecosystem. If it was not, then it would be it's own ecosystem, which @fox6Nine does hint at being a driver. Perhaps the licensing model had all along been planned that way, but now Valve can write anything into their agreements as they are a big publisher. It's a big bet, and so far it's looking workable - but I'm a built-it-myself person, so consoles will always look wierd to me.

If thats how you want to view it that's your prerogative. In my opinion if it was designed to get people into the ecosystem it would be sold without requiring an existing Steam account, and it would be marketed differently.

All the marketing and the hype around it is advertising it as playing your existing library which shows that its targeted to those who have an existing library and a way to play your library on the go.

If someone didn't have a PC and wanted to get into steam gaming i'd NEVER suggest the deck to them, better to spend an extra $300-400 and get a good gaming PC vs having their sole source of gaming be the deck with its limitations.

Valve has been dabbling in hardware for a while now, and they've had a huge success in the deck because they leverage their existing customers with existing libraries while at the same time keeping the device open so people can play their competitors games as well.

[FOXDUDE69]

引用自 zaphodikus：

The deck is a way to get people into the ecosystem. If it was not, then it would be it's own ecosystem, which @fox6Nine does hint at being a driver. Perhaps the licensing model had all along been planned that way, but now Valve can write anything into their agreements as they are a big publisher. It's a big bet, and so far it's looking workable - but I'm a built-it-myself person, so consoles will always look wierd to me.

I've always had a foot in both worlds, always loved PC gaming but I've been in love with console gaming for even longer, so naturally I want to see the Deck succeed, and I can very much see it succeeding if Valve doesn't treat it the way they've treated their previous hardware experiments.

In my opinion, the main thing Valve is doing wrong is they aren't putting these in stores, they need that visibility for the more casual market. There's a lotta people out there with disposable income to burn that would buy one on a whim, if they knew it existed.

Dedicated gamers, even if they aren't primarily PC gamers, are aware of the Deck because they consume gaming media, talk games on Twitter, etc. So there will be Non-PC gamers buying the Deck. But at the same time I've had a couple of conversations with other dads that don't even know what Steam is, and these type of people will never know about the Deck unless someone like me tells them, or they see it in a store, until then, they'll buy for their kids what they see: Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo.

Putting these devices in Stores would honestly do a lot more for the Deck than exclusive titles.
Simply going "markets are different" is completely missing the big picture.
The markets aren't even that different anymore.

[Satoru]

There's no point to this.

1) the game is functionally going to be a linux game so it cant really be 'steamdeck' specific since it will run on any linux system
2) while the steamdeck has a lot of cool things at a really base level you can pretty much boil it down to "A PS5 SixSense controller with a screen" meaning basically how are you going to make this 'only' run on a steamdeck when realistically you can run this game on any system that has a gyro controller. You don't even need gyros either really.

This isn't like VR where you NEED custom hardware to replicate the experience. This would even conceptually just a linux game where you need a controller.

The Apeture Lab demo is the 'entry point' into the console. It designed to show you all the feature including the gyros. There's no point in making some other 'exclusive' since fundamentally there's little point in doing so. There are already exclusive things you get for various variants of the steamdeck. You're really not going to get anyone to buy a steamdeck just because some 'exclusive' game is on it unless you make something that really pushes the hardware. ANd fundamentally there's nothing about the steamdeck where you would literally not just be better off making a normal game and make it steamdeck compatible out of the box. You are not going to get a HalfLife:Alyx out of this.

[Brian9824]

引用自 FOX6NINE：

In my opinion, the main thing Valve is doing wrong is they aren't putting these in stores, they need that visibility for the more casual market. There's a lotta people out there with disposable income to burn that would buy one on a whim, if they knew it existed.

That doesn't really hold with reality though, in which they have been able to BARELY keep up to demand and still haven't even released them in all the markets they have planned. The worst possible thing they could have done was make people wait even longer for their orders because they had hundreds of thousands of units gathering dust on store shelves, while people who want one can't get one.

They just finally released them in Japan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Taiwan 2 weeks ago as they didn't have a sufficient supply to meet the demand. Australia is still waiting as is multiple other regions.

What they are doing now is far more logical, and nothing will stop them from releasing in stores at a later date where their profit will be greatly reduced, after they have already gotten all the low hanging fruit where they were able to maximize their profit margins. After all the deck is marketed towards existing steam users, hence why advertising it on Steam makes sense.

引用自 FOX6NINE：

Dedicated gamers, even if they aren't primarily PC gamers, are aware of the Deck because they consume gaming media, talk games on Twitter, etc. So there will be Non-PC gamers buying the Deck. But at the same time I've had a couple of conversations with other dads that don't even know what Steam is, and these type of people will never know about the Deck unless someone like me tells them, or they see it in a store, until then, they'll buy for their kids what they see: Playstation, Xbox, Nintendo.

It's almost as if their target market at the moment is existing Steam users.... Huh funny how that works out...

[76561199281265327]

so i read all your comments and i wanna say, they are good both sides of the opinion,

#1 Steam deck would be successful as a free form Mobile Console system that could intergrate with all other console systems, example if steam deck could connect to

Steam
Epic games
Sony playstation Store
Xbox store
Nintendo store
and any other platform gaming services this would be a win for Users

Steam would make there money by selling the consoles and offering players a better option then stuck at home console gaming, the fact that steam does and can work with these companys as 3rd party sales is important.

Sony had the PS vita that had little to no moderate success again we see nothing but platform blocks that these companies want or expect us all to buy several consoles just to play the games we want.

A universal console would be in the best interest for everyone that games. As far as i know you need a sony playstation account now to do anything online with PS4 or PS5, even without a paid for account you still need one to even log into updates or youtube, requires PS store log in.

i don't use xbox so can't comment on that, i made the mistake of buying a PS4 a few years ago for cheap an honestly never touch the thing , i do use the ps 4 controller with my PC so not a complete fail.

Steam deck could have much success but it needs to be a open platform os capable of running everything for it to be viable, i like the idea of it but joysticks break an go bad, are you gonna really wanna dish out a few hundred dollars everytime your greasy potato chip fingers ruin the buttons or joystick, of you accidently drop it but it doesn't break the screen just messes up the joysticks.

[76561199281265327]

引用自 teh christs mass：

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[Brian9824]

引用自 New Login for Fallout76：

so i read all your comments and i wanna say, they are good both sides of the opinion,

#1 Steam deck would be successful as a free form Mobile Console system that could intergrate with all other console systems, example if steam deck could connect to

Steam
Epic games
Sony playstation Store
Xbox store
Nintendo store
and any other platform gaming services this would be a win for Users

Steam can already connect to any other windows or linux based PC gaming platform including epic games and the Microsoft PC store. It can't connect to console systems as that is not allowed by the console manufactures.


Universal consoles are not possible because the console manufacturers don't want them.

[76561199281265327]

thats perfect to hear, so your telling me on steam deck i can play my epic games catalog?

if so steam deck would have much more viability

[Brian9824]

引用自 New Login for Fallout76：

thats perfect to hear, so your telling me on steam deck i can play my epic games catalog?

if so steam deck would have much more viability

Yep - https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/pc-gaming/how-to-install-epic-games-on-steam-deck

Also Xbox gamepass - https://www.dexerto.com/tech/game-pass-on-steam-deck-1896451/

Steam doesn't do what EPIC does and restrict gamers.

[76561198407601200]

引用自 zaphodikus：

引用自 The Living Tribunal：

When Gabe was asked in an interview if there would be some steam deck exclusive games, he stated he doesn't necessarily expect them as steam deck is pretty much a pc and he isn't sure how a game would be exclusive to the deck though it would be an interesting idea according to him.




Well you are posting from a device that will end up in a landfill, so I don't see the point you are making.

Um, you are talking to someone who still has the pentium 4 sticker on the outside of his computer case. The deck is at least re-purposeable, it's basically what Nokia tried to build 16 years ago but without the nice joysticks and battery life, although you could always use it to send texts.

So you're excluded from that group simply because you determined it to be so? It was just strange that you believe others would toss theirs out after 5 years but somehow you wouldn't do such a thing.

[Mad Scientist]

Developers are free to cater to the Deck itself, though it's mainly one OS and is compatible with anything that works on the hardware, so being an "exclusive" is less likely, so much as catering to high performance on lesser resolutions & Hz rates for the Deck.

This means people can also make a settings profile for the Deck, and ensure if they want it to, that things can be tweaked for said profile to give the best performance for their testing results. Not sure how valuable a Deck-Exclusive would be, though, compared to swappable profiles for it to work on the Deck.

[76561199281265327]

now we just need a price cut on the steam deck to make it affordable and worth trying