Neutral review

[Nova]

I really wish there was a neutral review choice. Just a grey ( - ) for example. Many times a game just isn't for me because of certain mechanics I just don't enjoy while still being a solid game. It doesn't mean I wouldn't recommend people buy the game but rather I just think a certain thing ruins the game for me and like minded people.

[uncle dane vs khamenei]

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

What has my post out of the cyberpunk steam forum to do with this topic here ?

You asked me in the CP 2077 steam forum, if Im a socialist and I said no, I like consuming certain products. I just dont like what this industry and some people like you have turned into 😉

dk it seemed like you followed us here after that thread of yours got locked 🤷🏻‍♀️
Huh? Is this like one of those "socialism is when no iPhone" memes?
So how can one be pro-capitalism in this case, while still wanting to stomp out its inherent features?

[BlackSunEmpire]

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

What has my post out of the cyberpunk steam forum to do with this topic here ?

You asked me in the CP 2077 steam forum, if Im a socialist and I said no, I like consuming certain products. I just dont like what this industry and some people like you have turned into 😉

dk it seemed like you followed us here after that thread of yours got locked 🤷🏻‍♀️

So how can one be pro-capitalism in this case, while still wanting to stomp out its inherent features?

Yeah, you derailed the tread I opend up there by comming into the tread and constantly asking out of topic questions and then you reported the tread for being out of topic to the mods, which got it shut down and now I follow the conversation up with you in the next few forums you will go. Whats the issue with that ?

I didnt even know that online gambling or grindy progression treadmills in games are inherent features of capitalism. 😆

Where did I say "I want to stomp out capitalism" ?

[uncle dane vs khamenei]

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

dk it seemed like you followed us here after that thread of yours got locked 🤷🏻‍♀️

So how can one be pro-capitalism in this case, while still wanting to stomp out its inherent features?

Yeah, you derailed the tread I opend up there by comming into the tread and constantly asking out of topic questions and then you reported the tread for being out of topic to the mods, which got it shut down and now I follow the conversation up with you in the next few forums you will go.

Haha what, I joined it and said some things about Keanu and the cyberpunk genre. Also I never reported anything, idk why you would even think that. And I mean it just felt like you followed me and Tanoomba here.

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

I didnt even know that online gambling or grindy progression treadmills in games are inherent features of capitalism. 😆

Oh you sweet summer child

[BlackSunEmpire]

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

I didnt even know that online gambling or grindy progression treadmills in games are inherent features of capitalism. 😆

Oh you sweet summer child

It rather seems that people cant even remember the time before the year 2000 anymore.

- No online gambling in 99 % of the tripple A games.
- No releasing half finished games for 60$ and selling you the other half later
- No progression treadmills in most games, except they are inherently grindy like Diablo
- No content starving live service games like Halo Infinite
- No forching people to watch twitch or play nonrelated games to gain access to desirable ingame items

Those things are not unavoidably inherent features of the videogame industry.
They only exist nowadays, because people keep consuming them.

[uncle dane vs khamenei]

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

Those things are not unavoidably inherent features of the videogame industry.
They only exist nowadays, because people keep consuming them.

So you want stricter regulations?

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

Those things are not unavoidably inherent features of the videogame industry.
They only exist nowadays, because people keep consuming them.

So you want stricter regulations?

I think he wants to buy games, not sinkholes of money built from the groundup to make you spend more.

[BlackSunEmpire]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

So you want stricter regulations?

I think he wants to buy games, not sinkholes of money built from the groundup to make you spend more.

See this guy gets it, its really not such a hard concept to grasp ;)

[uncle dane vs khamenei]

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

I think he wants to buy games, not sinkholes of money built from the groundup to make you spend more.

See this guy gets it, its really not such a hard concept to grasp ;)

But I knew that already. I'm asking you, how do we achieve that? By simply yelling at companies and calling other people simps and stans and shills on the Steam forums?

Speaking of lootboxes, gambling, and microtransactions in games, this video comes to mind https://youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4

🙂
https://youtu.be/7S-DGTBZU14

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

See this guy gets it, its really not such a hard concept to grasp ;)

But I knew that already. I'm asking you, how do we achieve that? By simply yelling at companies and calling other people simps and stans and shills on the Steam forums?

Speaking of lootboxes, gambling, and microtransactions in games, this video comes to mind https://youtu.be/xNjI03CGkb4

I vote laughing at people dumb enough to buy into something made to prey on them. That's literally all we can do at this point.

The good old days are over. Games are a "service", not games anymore. The writing was on the walls but the average gamer has the willpower of a moth exposed to a flame.

[Thermal Lance]

This picture is the one I always refer to when I need to be reminded how much the average gamer cannot hold their ground even if their lives depended on it.

https://i.redd.it/wwx5exndw6b11.png

[uncle dane vs khamenei]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

I vote laughing at people dumb enough to buy into something made to prey on them. That's literally all we can do at this point.

So people get tricked and addicted because they're dumb? How do you quantify that anyway? Do you have to take a Mensa test?

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

I vote laughing at people dumb enough to buy into something made to prey on them. That's literally all we can do at this point.

So people get tricked and addicted because they're dumb? How do you quantify that anyway? Do you have to take a Mensa test?

Seriously. If you have the choice between paying a full product or buying a product in piece bits that ends up jacking the final price. If you have a behavior that encourage the later then I'll definately call that dumb. So, yeah, I'll laugh.

If you have a problem with this, sue me.

[uncle dane vs khamenei]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

Publicado originalmente por just a simpette who's hungry for:

So people get tricked and addicted because they're dumb? How do you quantify that anyway? Do you have to take a Mensa test?

Seriously. If you have the choice between paying a full product or buying a product in piece bits that ends up jacking the final price. If you have a behavior that encourage the later then I'll definately call that dumb. So, yeah, I'll laugh.

If you have a problem with this, sue me.

No, I'm saying what about all the vulnerable people like kids and younger folks in general. Or people who are struggling with mental health issues? Or people on the spectrum, or people with ADHD who have addictive behaviours? Are they also just 'dumb', and deserve to be preyed on?

[BlackSunEmpire]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

I vote laughing at people dumb enough to buy into something made to prey on them. That's literally all we can do at this point.

I agree, that's all you can do at this point.
Making fun of simps and spending more time in non-gaming related hobbies.


You could also push for online gambling regulations in games, especially prohibiting gambling for games consumed by kids. And you definitely should do that. But at the end of the day those shareholder value driven publisher will just come up with new methods of milking their customers dry to compensate for the loss of gambling revenue, like:

- including unskippable ads right into the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZUMhEE50VE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ESE8c-R98

They will do that anyway in the future, gambling restrictions or not.

And it's legally impossible to prohibit them from implementing progression treadmills.
If they want to make the games super grindy, they will always find a way to do so.

As said, only light at the end of the tunnel is digital production tools becoming so advanced that even small indie studios can produce larger games.

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por BlackSunEmpire:

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

I vote laughing at people dumb enough to buy into something made to prey on them. That's literally all we can do at this point.

I agree, that's all you can do at this point.
Making fun of simps and spending more time in non-gaming related hobbies.


You could also push for online gambling regulations in games, especially prohibiting it for games consumed by kids. And you definitely should do that. But at the end of the day those shareholder value driven publisher will just come up with new methods of milking their customers dry to compensate for the loss of their gambling revenue, like:

- including unskippable ads right into the game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZUMhEE50VE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3ESE8c-R98

They will do that anyway in the future, gambling restrictions or not.

And it's legally pretty impossible to prohibit them from implementing progressing treadmills.
If they want to make the games super grindy, they will always find a way to do that.

As said, only light at the end of the tunnel is digital production tools becoming so advanced that even small indie studios can produce larger games.

I wish I could spend time running after them but I got enough problems as it is so "laughing" it is.