Bring the Steam deck to Latinamerica

Brian9824 Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:03pm

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
It seems to me that you're confusing Brazil with Latin America.

Nope, Brazil is PART of latin America, so if you include Brazil plus a bunch of other countries its still only 3% of the market.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
I was pointing out that Brazil is a big market with many Steam users (4th position in 2018), not Latin America.

Which again, # of users doesn't really matter if they aren't spending money on steam which as shown they aren't.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Anyway, Latin America is the fastest growing market in the world for the online gaming industry:
https://blog.ebanx.com/en/gaming-industry-in-latam-and-top-payment-methods-used-by-gamers/

Simply put, ignoring it is losing money.

You should really read the article. Yeah its growing, but if you read the article instead of googling the first one you'd have noticed that it says its growing due to the mobile market and cloud gaming, both things that have nothing to do with Steam, and smart phones are expected to account for 80% of all internet connections in the region....

From your article

So, what’s behind the region’s success? Experts point out that the rapid growth of mobile gaming and the emergence of cloud gaming are the main responsible for it.

There is a significant mobile penetration and development of internet connectivity throughout LatAm. The Groupe Speciale Mobile Association (GSMA) reported that by 2025, mobile penetration in the region would be at 73%. Meanwhile, smartphones are expected to account for 80% of all internet connections in the region. This has, of course, a direct impact on games.

You'd also note that its growing by a whopping 5% Year over Year rate. So that 3% of revenue after 6 years at that rate will turn into 4%........

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Also, your data is from 2017 so...

Yeah my data is from late 2017, your data is from early 2018, not a lot of difference.....

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Start_Running Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:06pm

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by Start_Running:

It is indeed pitiful when you realize the 10th place accounts for a little over 2% of the market revenue.

Beside its not as if Valve is NEVER going to bring the STeam Deck to LATAM (though they'll probably be on the Living Room by then). They just haven't gotten to that at the moment.

Dear Start_Running,

This has nothing to do with revenue, though. I would recommend you to re-read the article, when you have some free time.

On the contrary it has everything to do with revenue.
Revenue is what businesses seek.
And even counting users... they're pretty small and you know this since you refer to their place in these lists rather than the actual percentage they count for.

4.7%. Half as much as the third position.

The point still stands. Brazil isn't a very big fish .

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Pierce Dalton Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:08pm

Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
It seems to me that you're confusing Brazil with Latin America.
Nope, Brazil is PART of latin America, so if you include Brazil plus a bunch of other countries its still only 3% of the market.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
I was pointing out that Brazil is a big market with many Steam users (4th position in 2018), not Latin America.
Which again, # of users doesn't really matter if they aren't spending money on steam which as shown they aren't.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Anyway, Latin America is the fastest growing market in the world for the online gaming industry:
https://blog.ebanx.com/en/gaming-industry-in-latam-and-top-payment-methods-used-by-gamers/

Simply put, ignoring it is losing money.
You should really read the article. Yeah its growing, but if you read the article instead of googling the first one you'd have noticed that it says its growing due to the mobile market and cloud gaming, both things that have nothing to do with Steam, and smart phones are expected to account for 80% of all internet connections in the region....

From your article
So, what’s behind the region’s success? Experts point out that the rapid growth of mobile gaming and the emergence of cloud gaming are the main responsible for it.

There is a significant mobile penetration and development of internet connectivity throughout LatAm. The Groupe Speciale Mobile Association (GSMA) reported that by 2025, mobile penetration in the region would be at 73%. Meanwhile, smartphones are expected to account for 80% of all internet connections in the region. This has, of course, a direct impact on games.

You'd also note that its growing by a whopping 5% Year over Year rate. So that 3% of revenue after 6 years at that rate will turn into 4%........

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Also, your data is from 2017 so...
Yeah my data is from late 2017, your data is from early 2018, not a lot of difference.....

Dear brian9824,

I've read the article, and I knew you would point out the focus on mobile gaming.

Oh well, isn't the Steam Deck a mobile gaming device? :)

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Brian9824 Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:10pm

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by brian9824:
Nope, Brazil is PART of latin America, so if you include Brazil plus a bunch of other countries its still only 3% of the market.

Which again, # of users doesn't really matter if they aren't spending money on steam which as shown they aren't.

You should really read the article. Yeah its growing, but if you read the article instead of googling the first one you'd have noticed that it says its growing due to the mobile market and cloud gaming, both things that have nothing to do with Steam, and smart phones are expected to account for 80% of all internet connections in the region....

From your article

You'd also note that its growing by a whopping 5% Year over Year rate. So that 3% of revenue after 6 years at that rate will turn into 4%........

Yeah my data is from late 2017, your data is from early 2018, not a lot of difference.....

Dear brian9824,

I've read the article, and I knew you would point out the focus on mobile gaming.

Oh well, isn't the Steam Deck a mobile gaming device? :)

No, it does not run games from apple or IOS, it's a portable PC which is not the same thing as a mobile phone.

#34

Brian9824 Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:11pm

Originally posted by Start_Running:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Dear Start_Running,

This has nothing to do with revenue, though. I would recommend you to re-read the article, when you have some free time.
On the contrary it has everything to do with revenue.
Revenue is what businesses seek.
And even counting users... they're pretty small and you know this since you refer to their place in these lists rather than the actual percentage they count for.

4.7%. Half as much as the third position.

The point still stands. Brazil isn't a very big fish .

Yep, Japan for instance with less users spends far more on steam. Hence why it's a much bigger market

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Boblin the Goblin Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:12pm

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by brian9824:
Nope, Brazil is PART of latin America, so if you include Brazil plus a bunch of other countries its still only 3% of the market.

Which again, # of users doesn't really matter if they aren't spending money on steam which as shown they aren't.

You should really read the article. Yeah its growing, but if you read the article instead of googling the first one you'd have noticed that it says its growing due to the mobile market and cloud gaming, both things that have nothing to do with Steam, and smart phones are expected to account for 80% of all internet connections in the region....

From your article

You'd also note that its growing by a whopping 5% Year over Year rate. So that 3% of revenue after 6 years at that rate will turn into 4%........

Yeah my data is from late 2017, your data is from early 2018, not a lot of difference.....

Dear brian9824,

I've read the article, and I knew you would point out the focus on mobile gaming.

Oh well, isn't the Steam Deck a mobile gaming device? :)

Nope.

You know full well what they mean by 'mobile gaming'.

#36

Pierce Dalton Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:13pm

Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Dear brian9824,

I've read the article, and I knew you would point out the focus on mobile gaming.

Oh well, isn't the Steam Deck a mobile gaming device? :)

No, it does not run games from apple or IOS, it's a portable PC which is not the same thing as a mobile phone.

That's correct, a portable PC which means it is a mobile gaming device. I mean, that's its main purpose, right? :) Glad we can agree on that.

#37

Pierce Dalton Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:13pm

Originally posted by brian9824:
Originally posted by Start_Running:
On the contrary it has everything to do with revenue.
Revenue is what businesses seek.
And even counting users... they're pretty small and you know this since you refer to their place in these lists rather than the actual percentage they count for.

4.7%. Half as much as the third position.

The point still stands. Brazil isn't a very big fish .

Yep, Japan for instance with less users spends far more on steam. Hence why it's a much bigger market

Sauce?

#38

Cupcake Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:17pm

Of course people want to make their voices heard and let valve know their desire for the product. And valve obviously does its own analysis. What's the point of people arguing about how it's not profitable

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Boblin the Goblin Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:29pm

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by brian9824:

No, it does not run games from apple or IOS, it's a portable PC which is not the same thing as a mobile phone.

That's correct, a portable PC which means it is a mobile gaming device. I mean, that's its main purpose, right? :) Glad we can agree on that.

Does the Deck run a mobile OS such as Android or iOS?
Does the Deck use a specified app store to download games that are only made for it's OS specifically?
Is the Deck locked to a proprietary software and, by extension, app store service?

If the Deck is a 'mobile device' than so is my laptop.

Last edited by Boblin the Goblin; Dec 1, 2022 @ 2:29pm

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Brian9824 Dec 1, 2022 @ 3:02pm

Its a good thing Valve knows better then to take financial advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between a mobile phone and a PC....

As already shown in the link OP Latin America is one of Steam's smallest markets in the world, and when you add in the buying power the average person has it's pretty bleak. Brazil is one of the worst markets with an average monthly wage of under $400 a month, and unlike software you can't discount the hardware as much to make up for their lower wages...

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Pierce Dalton Dec 1, 2022 @ 3:12pm

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

That's correct, a portable PC which means it is a mobile gaming device. I mean, that's its main purpose, right? :) Glad we can agree on that.

Does the Deck run a mobile OS such as Android or iOS?
Does the Deck use a specified app store to download games that are only made for it's OS specifically?
Is the Deck locked to a proprietary software and, by extension, app store service?

If the Deck is a 'mobile device' than so is my laptop.

Not only yours, but every laptop is a mobile device, yes. I mean, that's why they were invented, right? So people could carry their computers around with them.

As for your questions, you can find the answers here:
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

Everything you need to know about the Steam Deck is there. I'd also recommend reading some reviews of it.

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Boblin the Goblin Dec 1, 2022 @ 3:16pm

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:
Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Does the Deck run a mobile OS such as Android or iOS?
Does the Deck use a specified app store to download games that are only made for it's OS specifically?
Is the Deck locked to a proprietary software and, by extension, app store service?

If the Deck is a 'mobile device' than so is my laptop.

Not only yours, but every laptop is a mobile device, yes. I mean, that's why they were invented, right? So people could carry their computers around with them.

As for your questions, you can find the answers here:
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

Everything you need to know about the Steam Deck is there. I'd also recommend reading some reviews of it.

I asked because I own a Deck.

The Deck or a laptop is not a 'mobile device' as it is being used in the article that was shared. You know this.

But, I'm not going to continue entertaining your semantics to avoid any admitting of mistakes.

#43

Pierce Dalton Dec 1, 2022 @ 3:24pm

Originally posted by brian9824:
Its a good thing Valve knows better then to take financial advice from someone who doesn't know the difference between a mobile phone and a PC....

As already shown in the link OP Latin America is one of Steam's smallest markets in the world, and when you add in the buying power the average person has it's pretty bleak. Brazil is one of the worst markets with an average monthly wage of under $400 a month, and unlike software you can't discount the hardware as much to make up for their lower wages...

Dear brian9824,

Please, do some research before posting.

Brazil is one of the biggest videogame markets in the world, ranked in the 10th position in 2020:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_industry#Largest_markets

If you have newer data, please share with us.

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Pierce Dalton Dec 1, 2022 @ 3:25pm

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:
Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

Not only yours, but every laptop is a mobile device, yes. I mean, that's why they were invented, right? So people could carry their computers around with them.

As for your questions, you can find the answers here:
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/
https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

Everything you need to know about the Steam Deck is there. I'd also recommend reading some reviews of it.

I asked because I own a Deck.

The Deck or a laptop is not a 'mobile device' as it is being used in the article that was shared. You know this.

But, I'm not going to continue entertaining your semantics to avoid any admitting of mistakes.

I'm not sure what you mean, a mobile device is any device that is made to carry around with you. Anyone reasonable is able to comprehend that.

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