Achievement system improvements

[Half Speed]

I believe steam should have an improvement in the achievements to have something more meaningful like Xbox and playstation.

The main thing people look at on steam in terms of achievements is just of the number of achievements one has. I think steam should have something like gamerscore or achievement level.

I don't think gamerscore would work because each achievement would need a set value of score. Same for how PlayStation does it with Bronze, Silver, Gold and Platinum for the difficulty of each achievement.

So my idea is a level based system where the number of achievements completed is the deciding factor for xp.

The way it would go is a game has 100 achievements
Each achievement is worth 5 xp

Than it goes by % completed
5% completed = 15xp
20% completed = 50xp
35% completed = 65xp
50% completed = 80xp
75% completed = 100xp
100% completed = 200xp

Level 1 needs 30xp. 2 needs 40xp 3 needs 50xp. So on.., until you hit level 50 or 100. Than you would prestige, resetting your level but being prestige level 1. This way the XP requirements wouldn't get out of hand eventually.

Something like that I think would be great, it would be unique from the other systems enough and it promotes achievement hunting better than the other systems I believe.


Of course my numbers for xp are probably bad and how much XP is given for each action and needed for each level would need to be different from my example. But overall I would love a system like this.

What would your ideas be down below, a better system or just improve what I got here? Please do:)

[Nx Machina]

Half Speed původně napsal:

Again I don't get you and if you want to bring up my stats 1 don't read too much into it because if you look at everything including my other platform profiles your see something different from each of them.
2 it has nothing to do with the discussion

It does because you deem achievements important hence your suggestion yet your stats do not backup that stance of them been important.

Half Speed původně napsal:

You need to expand on your first comment

SAM > Click > All achievements > 200xp > no effort > no need to play the game which negates, nullifies your suggestion.

[Half Speed]

Start_Running původně napsal:

So basically you're saying that achievements aren;t feeling worrth while to you.
Solution go after the achievements you deem to be orth while. You want a gamerscore now. Then you'll want a prize for your gamer score, then you'll want a prize for the gamer score rewards.

The Joke is. Devs are free to do this already. So why don't you try convincing one to do it.

No if you are going to oversimplified what someone is saying at least get the main point right. It's not that I find achievements less worth while now. I find the showcase of achievements on your profile to be weak and the community aspect is non existent.

[Start_Running]

Half Speed původně napsal:

Start_Running původně napsal:

So basically you're saying that achievements aren;t feeling worrth while to you.
Solution go after the achievements you deem to be orth while. You want a gamerscore now. Then you'll want a prize for your gamer score, then you'll want a prize for the gamer score rewards.

The Joke is. Devs are free to do this already. So why don't you try convincing one to do it.

No if you are going to oversimplified what someone is saying at least get the main point right. It's not that I find achievements less worth while now. I find the showcase of achievements on your profile to be weak and the community aspect is non existent.

BNew showcases you say? Well that's easy enough. My apologies for misunderstanding. The coffee hasn't hit the brain yet.

ByUt what community aspect are you speaking of. Achievements are pretty much personal things.

[Nx Machina]

AmsterdamHeavy původně napsal:

The consistency of stats like these in relation to suggestions like these seems to be one of the great ironies of the 21st century.

Exactly. High stats would indeed make the statement "achievements important," valid whereas low stats removes said claim.

[Half Speed]

Start_Running původně napsal:

Half Speed původně napsal:

No if you are going to oversimplified what someone is saying at least get the main point right. It's not that I find achievements less worth while now. I find the showcase of achievements on your profile to be weak and the community aspect is non existent.

BNew showcases you say? Well that's easy enough. My apologies for misunderstanding. The coffee hasn't hit the brain yet.

ByUt what community aspect are you speaking of. Achievements are pretty much personal things.

No worries. The best example I can give is the monthly gamerscore leaderboard between friends on Xbox. Is a great example I think for the community aspect. Or how on PlayStation when you look at your friends profile the first thing you see is how many bronze sliver gold and platinum trophys they have. But something like that is not possible with the current system

[Half Speed]

Nx Machina původně napsal:

AmsterdamHeavy původně napsal:

The consistency of stats like these in relation to suggestions like these seems to be one of the great ironies of the 21st century.

Exactly. High stats would indeed make the statement "achievements important," valid whereas low stats removes said claim.

If you are just here to be combative please find somewhere else

[Crazy Tiger]

Valve isn't interested in achievements. They just tacked it on because other platforms made them popular. Same way as there are developers that simply tack on achievements without much thought behind them because it's something that is expected.

That said, if Valve wants to provide changes and improvements, that's fine. They can make all the changes and improvements to it that they want, as long as they also provide the improvement of disabling it. Or at least the notifications. The latter is something the consoles have as option and it's a quite missed option on Steam.

Also, OP, don't let yourself be dragged in an unnecessary argument about SAM and the like.

[Half Speed]

Crazy Tiger původně napsal:

Valve isn't interested in achievements. They just tacked it on because other platforms made them popular. Same way as there are developers that simply tack on achievements without much thought behind them because it's something that is expected.

That said, if Valve wants to provide changes and improvements, that's fine. They can make all the changes and improvements to it that they want, as long as they also provide the improvement of disabling it. Or at least the notifications. The latter is something the consoles have as option and it's a quite missed option on Steam.

Also, OP, don't let yourself be dragged in an unnecessary argument about SAM and the like.

I completely agree I completely forgot about the sound thing. That would be such a small thing to fix lol. And that is my main thing about this. It's so tacked on and I think it really needs some fleshing out. If they are overhauling the UI / user experience with the steam deck. I think the achievements are a part of that

[Start_Running]

Half Speed původně napsal:

Start_Running původně napsal:

BNew showcases you say? Well that's easy enough. My apologies for misunderstanding. The coffee hasn't hit the brain yet.

ByUt what community aspect are you speaking of. Achievements are pretty much personal things.

No worries. The best example I can give is the monthly gamerscore leaderboard between friends on Xbox. Is a great example I think for the community aspect. Or how on PlayStation when you look at your friends profile the first thing you see is how many bronze sliver gold and platinum trophys they have. But something like that is not possible with the current system

And rightly so I think. The fact that achievements are cheated so easily on PC. Everything from SAM, to simple save file sharing is enough to make the leaderboard thing fairly pointless. Especially considering the presence of cheevo spam games.

ANd As for trophy displays.. well. Again Playstation is a significanrtly smaller eco system and quite honestly we kinda have something like that on STeam . You already have showcases that display the rarest achievements you have, the Game's you've 100%, etc. A few more wouldn't be bad but the only real difference is that they're not framed as Trophies'

[BJWyler]

There are plenty of third party sites that competitive achievement hunters use, that provide for achievement competition.

Problems of doing it on Steam stem from several factors:
1. Not everyone cares about Achievements, and even less so about using them as a competition. They don't want to have yet another system forced upon them.

2. PC gaming is an open platform as compared to consoles, so data is much easier to manipulate.

3. If achievements are going to be scored, how is the assignment of points going to be handled? One for one doesn't make sense, since we already have that. Anything else would be an arbitrary system that makes achievements less personal, which is what they are designed to be - personal goals and accomplishments.

4. We already have competitive achievement hunters desiring Steam to lock achievements down and punish anyone who cheats them. That would only get worse if Steam makes them more of a priority.

5. By putting more emphasis on, or encouraging sales based off of achievements, you encourage devs to make games based off of poor gameplay design and business practices, and only enhance achievement spamming games.

[Nx Machina]

Half Speed původně napsal:

If you are just here to be combative please find somewhere else

Combative?

You do not want to accept the reality of SAM giving all achievements at the press of a button, or that all achievements can be gotten via a completed save game from a friend or stranger.

PC is not locked down like console and you can magnify your "gamer score" by giving yourself all achievements as described above.

[blunus]

Not gonna happen knowing PC is open source and can be easily cheesed via save files etc.

[Half Speed]

blunus původně napsal:

Not gonna happen knowing PC is open source and can be easily cheesed via save files etc.

That's not a valid excuse. Just because a few will cheese it. It doesn't matter because it's mostly a personal / friends thing. It'll only matter if there is a community wide leaderboard

[blunus]

Half Speed původně napsal:

blunus původně napsal:

Not gonna happen knowing PC is open source and can be easily cheesed via save files etc.

That's not a valid excuse. Just because a few will cheese it. It doesn't matter because it's mostly a personal / friends thing. It'll only matter if there is a community wide leaderboard

It doesn't matter as long as leaderboards can be cheated.

[Half Speed]

BJWyler původně napsal:

There are plenty of third party sites that competitive achievement hunters use, that provide for achievement competition.

Problems of doing it on Steam stem from several factors:
1. Not everyone cares about Achievements, and even less so about using them as a competition. They don't want to have yet another system forced upon them.

2. PC gaming is an open platform as compared to consoles, so data is much easier to manipulate.

3. If achievements are going to be scored, how is the assignment of points going to be handled? One for one doesn't make sense, since we already have that. Anything else would be an arbitrary system that makes achievements less personal, which is what they are designed to be - personal goals and accomplishments.

4. We already have competitive achievement hunters desiring Steam to lock achievements down and punish anyone who cheats them. That would only get worse if Steam makes them more of a priority.

5. By putting more emphasis on, or encouraging sales based off of achievements, you encourage devs to make games based off of poor gameplay design and business practices, and only enhance achievement spamming games.

By no means do people have a be punished for cheesing it cause there doesn't have to be a community wide leaderboard. On the point of the devs to assume that achievements leads to bad game design is a bit ridiculous cause even knowing there are devs who would would take advantage of it. Them devs are 99% the ones making shovelware already