Valve should remove the moderators' ability to close threads that don't break rules / replace the moderators.

[FOXDUDE69]

If a thread doesn't break any rules and people start being non-constructive in it, moderators' should not have the option to simply close the thread.

Not having this option will force the moderators to address the root cause of the constant non-constructive dialogue that goes on around here instead of taking the easy way out.

Without addressing the issue, and the without consequences for all sides involved. you are just guaranteeing this behavior will continue. And that non-constructive behavior will be weaponized by trolls to shut down suggestions they dislike, as it has been seen happening repeatedly.

If moderators still can't solve the rampant and obvious problems in these forums after that, they should be removed and replaced with a new body of moderators.

[Start_Running]

Mike eredeti hozzászólása:

Unfortunately there are a bunch of forum dwellers, the self proclaimed Steam gurus, who think they know everything about what Steam is and what it is meant to be. They do not represent Steam in any official way and all they do is express their own biased opinions.

They have tens of thousands of forum posts that generally aren't very helpful. Suggestions are many times criticized in a negative and demeaning way. Boosting self esteem is a possible explanation for this behavior.

Of course you don't mind when they heap fawning praise for an idea do you?

Mike eredeti hozzászólása:

As for your suggestion, I think replacing moderators for some bad experiences you had with moderation of your threads, is rather extreme. And if someone is terrible at moderating, then they will eventually be removed as a moderator. That seems like a given. Also, not all problems can be solved by moderators. It seems like there is a personal issue now, with lots of trolling and insults. People always find a way to negatively interact with each other.

Thing is he said the same thing about the VMOd. now it's the Paid Mods and SUpport that aren't doing their job. At somepoint. The problem is internall to the sufferer not external.

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Mike eredeti hozzászólása:

reaper eredeti hozzászólása:

I've been posting super frequently several years ago. I would support most reasonable suggestions regarding achievement system, because that's something i have personal interest in.l I would also get into arguments and get banned quite frequently. But eventually I've grown out of the need for social media interaction and confrontational behaviour. So the best way to stop trolling and arguments is to change yourself , i guess.

Agreed. I think the people who are always criticizing others know very well what they are doing. They know their comments will frustrate or upset someone. It is all about negative attention.

On the other hand (and that also deserves mentioning), I've also seen OPs completely lose it and resort to insults when someone politely disagrees.

One of the primary problems here, is indeed OP in this degree. He has a history of making the same suggestions, subtlely reworded. For over a year now.

A huge part of people attacking him, is because they're tired of him. I'm not advocating for it, merely explaining.

Keep in mind, even in THIS thread. OP tries to talk like he's the voice of "many regs" and newbies.

Also keep in mind, a huge majority of the different people who HAVE posted here? Most of them regs, and most of them disagree with him.

[Qu1xotic]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Of course you don't mind when they heap fawning praise for an idea do you?

I really don't mind someone disagreeing with me. Just like I wrote. It is not about the disagreement itself, but the way it is expressed.

[holodeck murder mystery]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Of course you don't mind when they heap fawning praise for an idea do you?

but is it also done in a negative and demeaning way?

[Thermal Lance]

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

Huh, you are not used to interact with me right?

It's gonna be as long as needed. There's gaming hubs to keep me busy in the meantime anyway.

Bans escalate, and can be permanent...

Yeah, I know. Life sucks. Do people really care about this? If I get a perma ban, it's gonna be a perma ban. But, I aint going to argue with the guy handing it out.

When I interact online. I got only 1 way to be. The way I WANT to be. if I get perma banned then that means that community aint my place to be. I'll find a new one that's all.

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Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

Bans escalate, and can be permanent...

Yeah, I know. Life sucks. Do people really care about this? If I get a perma ban, it's gonna be a perma ban. But, I aint going to argue with the guy handing it out.

When I interact online. I got only 1 way to be. The way I WANT to be. if I get perma banned then that means that community aint my place to be. I'll find a new one that's all.

Thing is, rampant perm bans also put marks on your account that can chalk up to community bans.

[holodeck murder mystery]

Soldier Boy eredeti hozzászólása:

Nadia(ㆆ _ ㆆ) eredeti hozzászólása:

but is it also done in a negative and demeaning way?

It's a suggestion board; not an echo chamber.

glad we've established that. anything else?

[Aachen]

Nadia(ㆆ _ ㆆ) eredeti hozzászólása:

but is it also done in a negative and demeaning way?

Something akin to “you suck so much for articulating this idea before I had the chance?”

[Swarm]

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, I know. Life sucks. Do people really care about this? If I get a perma ban, it's gonna be a perma ban. But, I aint going to argue with the guy handing it out.

When I interact online. I got only 1 way to be. The way I WANT to be. if I get perma banned then that means that community aint my place to be. I'll find a new one that's all.

Thing is, rampant perm bans also put marks on your account that can chalk up to community bans.

Comments you put on your profile dedicated to harassing other people result in community bans. A few scammers got banned this way and it was only for one comment as well. OP wrote a dozen of them so it is very likely he will also be banned.

[Thermal Lance]

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, I know. Life sucks. Do people really care about this? If I get a perma ban, it's gonna be a perma ban. But, I aint going to argue with the guy handing it out.

When I interact online. I got only 1 way to be. The way I WANT to be. if I get perma banned then that means that community aint my place to be. I'll find a new one that's all.

Thing is, rampant perm bans also put marks on your account that can chalk up to community bans.

Yeah...

You do realise that by "other communities" I didn't even speak of Steam?

Don't worry about me. I'll be fine regardless. If I really miss you I'll donate 5$ to Gaben with another account.

[holodeck murder mystery]

Aachen eredeti hozzászólása:

but is it also done in a negative and demeaning way?

Something akin to “you suck so much for articulating this idea before I had the chance?”

i was quoting Mike actually.

he said critique is often done in a negative and demeaning way

[Garou]

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

Leonardo Da Pinchi eredeti hozzászólása:

Bans escalate, and can be permanent...

Yeah, I know. Life sucks. Do people really care about this? If I get a perma ban, it's gonna be a perma ban. But, I aint going to argue with the guy handing it out.

When I interact online. I got only 1 way to be. The way I WANT to be. if I get perma banned then that means that community aint my place to be. I'll find a new one that's all.

I believe that Steam community ban also restricts ability to post community content like screenshots. So that's not a very good situation to be in if you're an active gamer.

[Thermal Lance]

reaper eredeti hozzászólása:

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

Yeah, I know. Life sucks. Do people really care about this? If I get a perma ban, it's gonna be a perma ban. But, I aint going to argue with the guy handing it out.

When I interact online. I got only 1 way to be. The way I WANT to be. if I get perma banned then that means that community aint my place to be. I'll find a new one that's all.

I believe that Steam community ban also restricts ability to post community content like screenshots. So that's not a very good situation to be in if you're an active gamer.

I'm a retrogamer with 0 friend in my list and the most recent screenshot I got is older than some of you are.

I'll be fine.

Edit: To be clear. I do not WANT a perma ban. But, if that's what I get, so be it. I ain't gonna cry over and start a whole drama for something I bought on myself.

[holodeck murder mystery]

Soldier Boy eredeti hozzászólása:

Nadia(ㆆ _ ㆆ) eredeti hozzászólása:

glad we've established that. anything else?

Fine, answer me this boy: Why should their echo chamber be allowed and not the critique?

girl, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about

[Swarm]

I like how he says he is a "funny guy" when no one else thinks he is funny except for the people he gossip with.