Add an upvote system exclusively for threads on the on the Suggestions / Ideas board.

[FOXDUDE69]

I'd like to see an upvote system for threads in this board and the option to sort the board by most upvoted. Also think that once upvotes go above a certain threshold, those heavily upvoted threads should gain lock immunity and moderators should simply ban the people attempting to derail and cause discord without locking heavily upvoted threads.

Edit: Forgot Steam already has Steam Awards so Valve could simply grant lock immunity to heavily awarded threads. This would make the system extremely hard to abuse by the bad actors that frequent these boards. And also, there should be a way to sort the Suggestions / Ideas board by "Most Awarded".

[Tito Shivan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

They already can! Like I said, those Community Wishlist entries have comments sections.

So basically what things are now but with a a scoreboard. We're still not getting rid of the 'people are shutting down my suggestion in the forums/comments and I'm annoyed' part that is the very core of why these suggestions are made.

[Edifier]

Imagine if advertisement spammers found out about this feature. They'd make a topic, upvote it with their bot accounts and then just constantly spam advertisement in the topic. Then they would make more threads repeating the process.
Don't think Valve wants that.


Besides the vast majority of topics here are never locked.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tito Shivan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

They already can! Like I said, those Community Wishlist entries have comments sections.

So basically what things are now but with a a scoreboard. We're still not getting rid of the 'people are shutting down my suggestion in the forums/comments and I'm annoyed' part that is the very core of why these suggestions are made.

But those comments have far less impact. The score displayed at the top doesn't change depending on the number of comments anyone posts. Less reason to argue endlessly.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Edifier:

Imagine if advertisement spammers found out about this feature. They'd make a topic, upvote it with their bot accounts and then just constantly spam advertisement in the topic. Then they would make more threads repeating the process.
Don't think Valve wants that.

More importantly, this is already possible here, if you replace "upvote" with "post in".

[Edifier]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

More importantly, this is already possible here, if you replace "upvote" with "post in".

No, this is not possible because those topics can't get Lock immunity. If Lock immunity was a thing it'd a spam hell.

Unless Moderators are still allowed to delete such topics.

Either way lock immunity would be bad.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Edifier:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

More importantly, this is already possible here, if you replace "upvote" with "post in".

No, this is not possible because those topics can't get Lock immunity. If Lock immunity was a thing it'd a spam hell.

Unless Moderators are still allowed to delete such topics.

Either way lock immunity would be bad.

Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you as replying to me. I wasn't talking about lock immunity, but I disagree with lock immunity anyway, for the reason you mentioned. I was just talking about the idea of a board where people can just post and upvote suggestions and has way easier searching. Basically, an implementation here of GOG's Community Wishlist.

Lock Immunity doesn't make sense; what would make sense is simply removing the offending users that keep arguing over stuff.

Heck, with a voting system, the argument that some of them have made in this and/or other recent threads that people are trying to shut down their opinions no longer applies, since they'd be able to vote on stuff even if they can't comment. And all they get is one vote per account per suggestion, making their support or opposition far less easy to spam than forum posts.

[Tito Shivan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tito Shivan:

So basically what things are now but with a a scoreboard. We're still not getting rid of the 'people are shutting down my suggestion in the forums/comments and I'm annoyed' part that is the very core of why these suggestions are made.

But those comments have far less impact. The score displayed at the top doesn't change depending on the number of comments anyone posts. Less reason to argue endlessly.

My point all along is that the comment sections won't cut people from wanting to discuss those suggestions. People will still make threads somewhere like they do in the Suggestion discussions (and people will reply against them there just like now).

And that's not even opening the can of worm of discussing the 'wishlist scoreboard' itself. We're talking Steam where people made a big stink off the result of every community sale vote. People may not get the result they expected from their suggestion regardless.

You can see how many threads are made about review scores, who should and shouldn't review games and how review scores should and shouldn't be accounted.

Discussions about suggestions (and people posting against them) will still happen, regardless of the system allowing them. Just like review discussions happen regardless of review themselves being reduced to a score and a comments section.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tito Shivan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

But those comments have far less impact. The score displayed at the top doesn't change depending on the number of comments anyone posts. Less reason to argue endlessly.

My point all along is that the comment sections won't cut people from wanting to discuss those suggestions. People will still make threads somewhere like they do in the Suggestion discussions (and people will reply against them there just like now).

And that's not even opening the can of worm of discussing the 'wishlist scoreboard' itself. We're talking Steam where people made a big stink off the result of every community sale vote. People may not get the result they expected from their suggestion regardless.

You can see how many threads are made about review scores, who should and shouldn't review games and how review scores should and shouldn't be accounted.

Discussions about suggestions (and people posting against them) will still happen, regardless of the system allowing them. Just like review discussions happen regardless of review themselves being reduced to a score and a comments section.

Okay, yeah, but I'm not sure how this makes sense as a reply to what I'm saying.

GOG's current implementation of this "wishlist scoreboard" allows for comments, so people can comment on the suggestions anyway.

It's just that this feature (1) makes it way easier to find relevant suggestions and (1') discourages posting duplicates, and (2) has a mechanism that puts more focus on the suggestion itself rather than the comments on it, a mechanism that incidentally (3) also reduces the impact of people who post multiple times (since they can only vote on each suggestion once), thus reducing the impact of people who will argue endlessly.

[Tito Shivan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

It's just that this feature (1) makes it way easier to find relevant suggestions and (1') discourages posting duplicates, and (2) has a mechanism that puts more focus on the suggestion itself rather than the comments on it, a mechanism that incidentally (3) also reduces the impact of people who post multiple times (since they can only vote on each suggestion once), thus reducing the impact of people who will argue endlessly.

(1) You're assuming suggestions would be ordered or easily searchable by 'relevance'
(1') How so? Does GOG manually merge similar suggestions?
(2) Assuming focus will be put on relevant suggestions
(3) 'Once' per account.

The problem I see with GOG's implementation is they deal with a fraction of the Steam userbase. And are making suggestions on a niche client and store.

I actually went and visited it: https://www.gog.com/wishlist (Shame no one linked to it until now, so we can see what we're talking about)
I find kind of funny how 'Most voted features this week' are:

-"Do not get bought by Epic"
-"Do not sell games that have DRM"
-"Continue to be a DRM-free store , today, tomorrow, and forever!"
-"Please fully support the steam deck"
-"Do not get bought by EA."

Seeing that I don't see how GOG 'discourages posting duplicates' when two of the most voted suggestions this week are the very same suggestion. (#1 and #5 are also the same at their core)

I also see people posting their suggestions on the general forums whatsoever:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/please_support_linux_with_a_proper_galaxy_client_for_working_cloud_saves
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/a_place_to_discuss_giveaways_epic_steam_ubisoft_and_all

Now, honestly. I wouldn't personally mind Steam making a similar wishlist, but just to witness the humongous mess it'd turn out the moment the Steam masses put their hands on them.

[Pocahawtness]

TBH I don't think mods should lock threads. It's lazy. If someone is derailing a thread then their posts should be deleted.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tito Shivan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

It's just that this feature (1) makes it way easier to find relevant suggestions and (1') discourages posting duplicates, and (2) has a mechanism that puts more focus on the suggestion itself rather than the comments on it, a mechanism that incidentally (3) also reduces the impact of people who post multiple times (since they can only vote on each suggestion once), thus reducing the impact of people who will argue endlessly.

(1) You're assuming suggestions would be ordered or easily searchable by 'relevance'
(1') How so? Does GOG manually merge similar suggestions?
(2) Assuming focus will be put on relevant suggestions
(3) 'Once' per account.

The problem I see with GOG's implementation is they deal with a fraction of the Steam userbase. And are making suggestions on a niche client and store.

I actually went and visited it: https://www.gog.com/wishlist (Shame no one linked to it until now, so we can see what we're talking about)
I find kind of funny how 'Most voted features this week' are:

-"Do not get bought by Epic"
-"Do not sell games that have DRM"
-"Continue to be a DRM-free store , today, tomorrow, and forever!"
-"Please fully support the steam deck"
-"Do not get bought by EA."

Seeing that I don't see how GOG 'discourages posting duplicates' when two of the most voted suggestions this week are the very same suggestion. (#1 and #5 are also the same at their core)

I also see people posting their suggestions on the general forums whatsoever:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/please_support_linux_with_a_proper_galaxy_client_for_working_cloud_saves
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/a_place_to_discuss_giveaways_epic_steam_ubisoft_and_all

Now, honestly. I wouldn't personally mind Steam making a similar wishlist, but just to witness the humongous mess it'd turn out the moment the Steam masses put their hands on them.

1. If you search for anything, you'll notice how much faster the search is and how it (1a) only searches suggestions and (1b) can be limited to searching certain subtypes of suggestions as well. (GOG uses 1b for separating site features, Galaxy features, games, and movies. But this could be used for something else, since Steam making such a thing would be rebuilding it from the ground up anyway.)

1'. GOG does not merge suggestions, as you noticed. But that's why duplicated suggestions don't look any more popular than their individual popularity scores. If you search for any reasonably-famous game (since GOG takes game suggestions), you may actually notice that there are alternate spellings or alternate editions that also exist, and they generally don't get as many upvotes. Those popularity scores can't be boosted or eroded by people posting comments repeatedly nor by people posting many different wordings of the same basic idea.

2. I'm not sure how you're defining "relevance" here, but if you're talking about whether a suggestion is worth implementing, there's no way to filter for that and you get a similar number of suggestions that don't mean much.

On the other hand, if by "relevance" you mean keeping the focus on the suggestion, then yes, the suggestion itself is the focus far more than the comments. The suggestion is displayed front and center and while you can try to hold a conversation in the comments they're not searchable nor upvotable/downvotable either.

3. Yes, once per account. Thus making posting again and again in the comments very much moot.

As for people posting suggestions elsewhere, you see that here on the Steam forums too. There's an active thread suggesting a gender field for the profile, in the Steam Discussions forum, right now.

[Start_Running]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย 🤪 Pocahawtness:

TBH I don't think mods should lock threads. It's lazy. If someone is derailing a thread then their posts should be deleted.

Yeah but when they have to repeatedly do garbage clean up on a thread...yeah the thread isn't worth their time to clean and essentially nuke it.

[Tito Shivan]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

3. Yes, once per account. Thus making posting again and again in the comments very much moot.

I don't think you're putting into perspective the sheer volume of accounts that Steam have around vs the whole of GOG accounts. 'One vote per account' isn't that much of a deterrent when there's people with hundreds or thousands of accounts.

Vote brigading has been an issue for UGC content since day one. It's impossible not to translate that same issue to a wishlist feature voting system.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

2. I'm not sure how you're defining "relevance" here, but if you're talking about whether a suggestion is worth implementing, there's no way to filter for that and you get a similar number of suggestions that don't mean much.

A suggestion being worth implementing doesn't correlate with being highly upvoted. Which bring us back to the main issue which is 'people do things wrong' (oppose to my suggestion, voting something else as more popular)

[Start_Running]

Many bad ideas are extremely popular. Because bad ideas tend to focus on only one side of the equation. LOwering Taxes is an idea just about everyone would get behind, except for those who stop to ask the question 'Where's the money for social security, government service, etc, gonna come from?"

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Tito Shivan:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

3. Yes, once per account. Thus making posting again and again in the comments very much moot.

I don't think you're putting into perspective the sheer volume of accounts that Steam have around vs the whole of GOG accounts. 'One vote per account' isn't that much of a deterrent when there's people with hundreds or thousands of accounts.

Vote brigading has been an issue for UGC content since day one. It's impossible not to translate that same issue to a wishlist feature voting system.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Quint the Alligator Snapper:

2. I'm not sure how you're defining "relevance" here, but if you're talking about whether a suggestion is worth implementing, there's no way to filter for that and you get a similar number of suggestions that don't mean much.

A suggestion being worth implementing doesn't correlate with being highly upvoted. Which bring us back to the main issue which is 'people do things wrong' (oppose to my suggestion, voting something else as more popular)

And note that just because a suggestion is highly upvoted doesn't mean that GOG acts on it, nor does it mean that Valve would need to if they had such a system. There are suggestions GOG has implemented with far fewer votes, and ones with tons of votes that they ignore just fine.

The voting thing there more so to get people's attention with a thing that they can +1, taking the focus off of trying to control a conversation.

Also, you say vote brigading is an issue on Steam, "since day one" even, but it's not like Steam has gotten rid of things that can be vote-brigaded ether, but has in fact added more features that can be voted on.

Furthermore, Valve can even hook voting onto Steam's $5 requirement, creating an additional barrier.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Start_Running:

Many bad ideas are extremely popular. Because bad ideas tend to focus on only one side of the equation. LOwering Taxes is an idea just about everyone would get behind, except for those who stop to ask the question 'Where's the money for social security, government service, etc, gonna come from?"

And just because an idea isn't popular or isn't what you think is good doesn't mean it's a bad idea either.