Ban Ubisoft from Steam or update your ToS to explicitly forbid intentionally rendering software defective
Just like the title says.

Remove Ubisoft from Steam until they can meet the bare minimum for delivering functional products. Refusing to maintain a dirt-cheap activation server or remove pointless online checks on 10+ year old single player games is ghoulish. They clearly sold products that were not fit for their advertised purpose, which is patently fraudulent.

If you won't stop Ubisoft from abusing your platform, you have no business selling games.
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The online checks are a failsafe to ensure you actually own the game and are not using a pirated version. Just because a game doesn't run the you want it to does not mean it broken.

Edit: Just because you can't get it to work doesn't mean the product is defective or broken. It just means you messed up, or your system can't handle it.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: HikariLight; 2022. aug. 5., 19:05
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Just like the title says.

Remove Ubisoft from Steam until they can meet the bare minimum for delivering functional products. Refusing to maintain a dirt-cheap activation server or remove pointless online checks on 10+ year old single player games is ghoulish. They clearly sold products that were not fit for their advertised purpose, which is patently fraudulent.

If you won't stop Ubisoft from abusing your platform, you have no business selling games.

What games are you talking about specifically? There aren't many titles I play so I don't quite understand nor do I see how Ubisoft is abusing steam as a platform. If you don't like how Ubisoft is behaving as a company whether its in regard to their games or anything else, just don't buy their games regardless of the platform and problem solved.

Nothing else will work, the wallet always speaks louder.
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Just like the title says.

Remove Ubisoft from Steam until they can meet the bare minimum for delivering functional products. Refusing to maintain a dirt-cheap activation server or remove pointless online checks on 10+ year old single player games is ghoulish. They clearly sold products that were not fit for their advertised purpose, which is patently fraudulent.

If you won't stop Ubisoft from abusing your platform, you have no business selling games.

Are you referring to this

https://steamcommunity.com/app/208480/discussions/0/3413181407716900859/
HikariLight eredeti hozzászólása:
The online checks are a failsafe to ensure you actually own the game and are not using a pirated version. Just because a game doesn't run the you want it to does not mean it broken.
This is false. As detailed by Ubisoft themselves, they are shutting down their older authentication servers while refusing to remove the authentication calls. They are knowingly rendering their products inoperable. This is, by definition, knowingly rendering your product unfit for sale. Steam absolutely has the ability to forbid publishers knowingly rendering software inoperable.

I encourage you to look into Ubisoft's delisting on your own time, but here's somewhere to start

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/gameplay/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-september-2022/000102396

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
just don't buy their games regardless of the platform and problem solved.

It's impossible to go back in time and not buy games that Ubisoft has now rendered inoperable due to their laziness and greed.
Eiswolfin eredeti hozzászólása:
While it is fair for Ubisoft to shut down multi-player servers, because that kind of service has never been guaranteed to run forever, what is unfair is that Ubisoft is removing access to paid DLC for several of the games

Bingo. They sold single player content, they're responsible for unlocking the DRM for people who have paid them for it. They may have zero legal obligation to do so, but any reasonable person must agree they are morally obligated to unlock access to people who have already paid them for it.

Beyond that, Valve absolutely has the power to forbid this sort of abuse. They may have been unable to foresee a circumstance like this 10+ years ago, but scummy situations like this underscore the need for Valve to revise the steamworks/publisher ToS to forbid this nonsense. Multiplayer servers sunsetting is an inevitability. Single player content removal is the result of negligence, apathy, and greed.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Zombie; 2022. aug. 5., 19:19
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HikariLight eredeti hozzászólása:
The online checks are a failsafe to ensure you actually own the game and are not using a pirated version. Just because a game doesn't run the you want it to does not mean it broken.

Edit: Just because you can't get it to work doesn't mean the product is defective or broken. It just means you messed up, or your system can't handle it.

That isn't what is happening here.

I suggest reading this:

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/gameplay/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-september-2022/000102396

While it is fair for Ubisoft to shut down multi-player servers, because that kind of service has never been guaranteed to run forever, what is unfair is that Ubisoft is removing access to paid DLC for several of the games

Something tells me they worded it poorly.
Ubisoft eredeti hozzászólása:
Additionally, the installation and access to DLC will be unavailable
I'm pretty sure they mean you won't be able to purchase/install and thus access it that way.

I seriously doubt they intend on removing access to those that have already purchased it.

Time will tell though.

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Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
just don't buy their games regardless of the platform and problem solved.

It's impossible to go back in time and not buy games that Ubisoft has now rendered inoperable due to their laziness and greed.

That isn't the point. If the company, is doing business practices that you do not agree with, then you don't buy anymore products from them. That is how you, as a customer, can best voice your displeasure. The only way a company will ever make a change, is if enough people stop buying their products until consumers are happier with either the product or the company itself.

Instead focus on buying games from companies you do like, support them instead.
Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
I'm pretty sure they mean you won't be able to purchase/install and thus access it that way.

I seriously doubt they intend on removing access to those that have already purchased it.

Time will tell though.

Incorrect. Already confirmed. Directly in the link provided.

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
That isn't the point.
You responded to my post. You don't get to ignore my point, pivot to a new one, and pretend you're meaningfully contributing to the conversation. That's derailing, by definition.

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
If the company, is doing business practices that you do not agree with, then you don't buy anymore products from them. That is how you, as a customer, can best voice your displeasure. The only way a company will ever make a change, is if enough people stop buying their products until consumers are happier with either the product or the company itself.

False. Valve has the power to remedy this and prevent future abuses to an infinitely greater extent than one person not buying products. I have posted about it in the exact place intended for suggestions to be sent to Valve. You not liking my thoughts on Ubisoft being a dumpster fire doesn't negate them in any way. Read this next part very carefully, please:

It's impossible to go back in time and not buy games that Ubisoft has now rendered inoperable due to their laziness and greed.

Your posts are dangerously close to directly condoning Ubisoft's garbage behavior.
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
I'm pretty sure they mean you won't be able to purchase/install and thus access it that way.

I seriously doubt they intend on removing access to those that have already purchased it.

Time will tell though.

Incorrect. Already confirmed. Directly in the link provided.

I got my quote from the link provided, hence why I'm going with that they most likely worded it poorly. When the time comes, I'll either be proven right by people who already purchased the DLC still having access or I'll be proven wrong by the access of those who purchased it is revoked as well. Either way, there is no way to know until it actually happens.

Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
That isn't the point.
You responded to my post. You don't get to ignore my point, pivot to a new one, and pretend you're meaningfully contributing to the conversation. That's derailing, by definition.

I indeed responded to your post, and your post in reply to mine was this.

Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
It's impossible to go back in time and not buy games that Ubisoft has now rendered inoperable due to their laziness and greed.

So I was telling you the point of my reply. You don't have to agree with my actual point, thats all fine. Also the entire conversation here is about Ubisoft and your distaste for their current actions which is quite fair. As I too, dislike the thought of a company removing access to something I paid for. Regardless, I've been on topic, though if you feel I'm derailing you can report me.

Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
If the company, is doing business practices that you do not agree with, then you don't buy anymore products from them. That is how you, as a customer, can best voice your displeasure. The only way a company will ever make a change, is if enough people stop buying their products until consumers are happier with either the product or the company itself.

False. Valve has the power to remedy this and prevent future abuses to an infinitely greater extent than one person not buying products. I have posted about it in the exact place intended for suggestions to be sent to Valve. You not liking my thoughts on Ubisoft being a dumpster fire doesn't negate them in any way. Read this next part very carefully, please: It's impossible to go back in time and not buy games that Ubisoft has now rendered inoperable due to their laziness and greed.

Again I'll have to disagree with you there. Ubisoft has their own store, and all of their games/products are listed there. Valve not allowing them to put their games on steam isn't going to change anything, it just means anyone who wants to buy their games can and will go to the Ubisoft store instead which just means they get the full amount as Valve simply won't get their 30% cut for being on their store.

So to repeat my advice, the only real way to get change here is for consumers to speak with their wallets, as that is what truly hits them where it hurts.

Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Your posts are dangerously close to directly condoning Ubisoft's garbage behavior.
Telling you how a company will actually listen to its consumers, is not condoning Ubisofts behavior. How you got to that conclusion is beyond me.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Sasori Kigaru; 2022. aug. 5., 20:37
Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
I was telling you the point of my reply. You don't have to agree with my actual point, thats all fine.
You came into a thread about malfeasance on the part of a publisher on this storefront. You should consider that "don't buy their games in the future" is a needlessly off-topic reply that only serves to derail. Telling me "don't buy games in the future" in response to a demonstrated case of malfeasance is unconstructive and off-topic. It's possible you originally misunderstood the stated concerns, which would explain your first response. At this point you seem well-aware of my concerns and are choosing to have a different conversation that only serves to minimize Ubisoft's misdeeds and derail a thread about Valve cleaning up their store..
Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:
Telling you how a company will actually listen to its consumers, is not condoning Ubisofts behavior. How you got to that conclusion is beyond me.
Again, you came into a thread about malfeasance on the part of a publisher on this storefront and suggested that people not buy games. That's so flagrantly unhelpful any reasonable person would come to that conclusion. More bizarrely, you did so in the exact place Valve has set up to field my feedback and concerns. You should consider that this thread isn't suited to the conversation you would prefer to be having.

If Ubisoft want to double down on garbage behavior like this, that's their prerogative. But Valve has no obligation to give them a platform to abuse Steam's customers.
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Just like the title says.

Remove Ubisoft from Steam until they can meet the bare minimum for delivering functional products. Refusing to maintain a dirt-cheap activation server or remove pointless online checks on 10+ year old single player games is ghoulish. They clearly sold products that were not fit for their advertised purpose, which is patently fraudulent.

If you won't stop Ubisoft from abusing your platform, you have no business selling games.

All game developers have a right to end service, it happens for whatever reason they want to end it. If you don't like that then don't buy games, you can still play single player just not online. Which is common or if it a online only game they can shut it down because they don't want to continue it it up to the developers.
Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:
you can still play single player just not online
Incorrect, single player content will be unavailable, even offline
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:
you can still play single player just not online
Incorrect, single player content will be unavailable, even offline
That's not incorrect lol I been playing Ubisoft games since the beginning and it even states only online services now if the game your specifically talking about is online only then yes you won't be able to play it. But you should of known game developers can do this at any time they want and they don't have to refund you. It happen a long time ago to farcry instincts predator online services were shut down. You can play single player if the game has single player but if it online only then no. What game are you specifically talking about here?
Eiswolfin eredeti hozzászólása:
Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:

All game developers have a right to end service, it happens for whatever reason they want to end it. If you don't like that then don't buy games, you can still play single player just not online. Which is common or if it a online only game they can shut it down because they don't want to continue it it up to the developers.

That's not the issue. The issue is that some of the games single player paid DLCs are being removed, customers who bought them will no longer have access to them.

You can still play the game, no developer can be forced to refund you for it as it their right to do this.

Valve can't do anything unless they pay the developers for refunding you as it takes money away from them I think.

Create a support ticket and ask them what they can do but they might just tell you to contact the developers, it up to the developers to refund you or not for a dlc.

There is not harm in asking the developers but as for the op suggestion though they shouldn't remove games just because your upset. As others still play the games and a dlc doesn't render the game in effective as you can still launch and play the game.

Or ask the developers on Twitter but Ubisoft been doing this for a long time so it nothing new. As far as I'm aware they the only company who does this but there nothing you can do if the dlc was for online only but you would have to ask the developers and then get their answer then ask valve or ask valve then they tell you to ask developers first before they do anything.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Fishie; 2022. aug. 5., 22:40
Wolf eredeti hozzászólása:
All game developers have a right to end service, it happens for whatever reason they want to end it. If you don't like that then don't buy games, you can still play single player just not online. Which is common or if it a online only game they can shut it down because they don't want to continue it it up to the developers.

That depends on the applicable legal framework.
I can tell you; in for instance the EU they have no such legal right by law.

A consumer contract for the purchase of goods; services; or digital content, that was at closing of the contract described as for indeterminate time can under law only be terminated if there are serious grounds for doing so or in cases of duress, like the company bankrupting; service no longer being possible due to circumstances they have no control over; etc.

What game developers and publishers actually try to do, is use end user license agreements; terms of service; and other forms of ancillary contract to contractually permit themselves to (partially) terminate service and retain sums paid for services left unrendered.

I can also tell you that terms in contract which has the object or effect thereof, are black-listed by the EU. They are deemed unfair terms which member states must treat as non-binding on consumers

Directive 93/13/EEC[eur-lex.europa.eu] lists this type of term explicitly in its annex as:

Terms which have the object or effect of:
[..]
(f) authorizing the seller or supplier to dissolve the contract on a discretionary basis where the same facility is not granted to the consumer, or permitting the seller or supplier to retain the sums paid for services not yet supplied by him where it is the seller or supplier himself who dissolves the contract;

I.e. even if Ubisoft wanted to dissolve the contract to get out from under it, they couldn't - not without paying consumers back; or without following the legal standard of mutual approval from both parties.

And if they do not or cannot dissolve the contract, they would have to rely on the service remaining in conformance with the contract to avoid problems.


This is where, for the case of the EU at least, another thing comes up:

It is a common and expected aspect or characteristic of games as a product, that multiplayer components will eventually be sunset. Therefore, multiplayer actually being shut down does not constitute non-conformance. You were reasonably expected to have known that this would be the case when closing the contract, i.e. when making your purchase.

But what is not a common and expected aspect is that bought add-on DLC content is sunset and taken away from consumers. That actually does constitute non-conformance.

How could it not have constituted non-conformance?
If the fact that the DLC was subject to being sunset at a future date, would have been clearly communicated to consumers prior to purchase. Which is not something Ubisoft did. They only added a notice to the storefront pages two months in advance of the shut down.


Legutóbb szerkesztette: RiO; 2022. aug. 6., 1:34
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Eiswolfin eredeti hozzászólása:

That isn't what is happening here.

I suggest reading this:

https://www.ubisoft.com/en-gb/help/gameplay/article/decommissioning-of-online-services-september-2022/000102396

While it is fair for Ubisoft to shut down multi-player servers, because that kind of service has never been guaranteed to run forever, what is unfair is that Ubisoft is removing access to paid DLC for several of the games

Something tells me they worded it poorly.
Ubisoft eredeti hozzászólása:
Additionally, the installation and access to DLC will be unavailable
I'm pretty sure they mean you won't be able to purchase/install and thus access it that way.

I seriously doubt they intend on removing access to those that have already purchased it.

Time will tell though.
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:



It's impossible to go back in time and not buy games that Ubisoft has now rendered inoperable due to their laziness and greed.

That isn't the point. If the company, is doing business practices that you do not agree with, then you don't buy anymore products from them. That is how you, as a customer, can best voice your displeasure. The only way a company will ever make a change, is if enough people stop buying their products until consumers are happier with either the product or the company itself.

Instead focus on buying games from companies you do like, support them instead.
At least in the case of Far Cry 3, the game does a DRM check at every launch. If it can't authenticate, you can't access the DLC, even in existing saves.
Apparently the console versions will retain access to the DLC in existing saves, but PC players are being scammed/robbed.
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