A plan to make achievements feel for valuable for games

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Nach0 2022 年 6 月 11 日下午 10:20

As I enjoyed completing games growing on console I enjoyed the sense of earning the gamerscore towards your profile but I feel there is a lack of that feeling when getting steam achievements. I think it would be cool to add something to make achievements and completing games worth the grind.

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DESTROYER 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 7:35

As they shouldn't since they aren't tied to anything important, if they were you'd actually start to see cheating as something that occurs more frequently instead of the very low current rates as born out by actually paying attention to achievement completion stats.

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Start_Running 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 7:46

引用自 DESTROYER：
As they shouldn't since they aren't tied to anything important, if they were you'd actually start to see cheating as something that occurs more frequently instead of the very low current rates as born out by actually paying attention to achievement completion stats.

Yup. THey're kinda of like "I betcha can't X"
They are prompts, invuitations to experiement with the mechanics, participate in the community, or explore the world.

However if none of those things matter to you as it is, if the satisfaction of completing those dares, learning or mastering a game mechanic, or finding something new in the game world. If those things aren't reward enough.. then yeah maybe go do something that actually has some intrinsic satisfaction fer ya m8.

It doesn't matter to the devs if you hunt the cheevos, it doesn't matter to the publishers, it doesn't matter to the store. So why should they bother to incentivise it for you beyond what they've already done.

CLearly you're not the sort of person they were designed for.

最後修改者：Start_Running; 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:46

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Nach0 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:23

引用自 Zoopy：
引用自 Nach0：
Nice you feel satisfied and get nothing rewarded for it! good solution pal

This begs the question of why you're playing games in the first place then?

I play games because they're fun and they help me relax. I don't need to be rewarded for doing a fun activity. If you're not getting your enjoyment from actually playing games, then maybe you need to consider a different hobby?

I have tons of different hobbies but okay. I play competeive sports, go to the gym and i also enjoy working on my car so trust me I use video games to chill. I was just seeing if people felt achievements could use a rework system or maybe have a better achievement level. Even if achievements contributed to your steam level profile I think that is cool.

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Nach0 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:29

引用自 Draeka3：
引用自 Nach0：
Nice you feel satisfied and get nothing rewarded for it! good solution pal

You say "good solution", i don't see any issue to begin with...

What would you steam to add for beating a game ? steam points ? Then some people would probably cheat achievements in and out for infinite steam points basically. Even if that's not the case, it would make it easier to get points and seasonal badges and make it so that people would buy less games from sales.

Profile features/account xp/discounts ? Same issue.

I was seeing if anyone felt like the achievement system could use some love. No i don't think it should be steam points, I see how that is not profitable for steam and that would never happen.

-Achievements could have their own separate Level on your profile that is just based from all the achievements you have gathered all time.
- Design A cooler looking achievement showcase that is provided on your profile.
- Achievements could contribute not as much xp to your steam level on your profile instead of just crafting badges.
- 100% completion gave you an achievement badge for that game.

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Zoopy 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:31

引用自 Nach0：
I have tons of different hobbies but okay. I play competeive sports, go to the gym and i also enjoy working on my car so trust me I use video games to chill. I was just seeing if people felt achievements could use a rework system or maybe have a better achievement level. Even if achievements contributed to your steam level profile I think that is cool.

I didn't mean it rudely. You just made it sound like you don't think it's worth playing games unless you somehow get rewarded for it, which I found strange. If I were in that position, I would probably drop the hobby.

To give you a better answer to your question, it probably isn't feasible because tying achievements to tangible benefits would require a lot of rework of the system and existing games, or it would be very open to abuse. Right now Steam doesn't police achievements and there are some games that contain hundreds and even thousands of achievements. With over 50000 games on Steam, most of which contain achievements, this would be a gargantuan undertaking.

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Nach0 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:34

引用自 FOXDUDE69：
A plan to improve the achievement ecosystem would be real nice, but I believe that (much like what happened with the game library redesign) Valve won't move a finger until another PC competitor does something real cool with achievements first.

They seem to be more interested in profile features they can monetize these days, and you can't monetize achievements.

A few things they could do would be:

- An overall achievement level.
- Achievement related statistics getting a dedicated showcase.
- Game-related exclusive animated avatars and backgrounds for people who 100% a game.

I've posted other suggestions on previous achievement related threads, of which there have been many, but I can't remember them all at the top of my head.

I tried searching for any posts but I couldn't find any last night. I agree with some of your ideas and I appreciate the fact that you are the whole one who provided an idea to change something regarding the achievement system. I don't think they should provide steam points because then their profit goes down. An obvious never gonna happen. People just assume I said that, that's not what I wanted, I was just seeing if anyone had ideas. :)

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Nach0 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:41

引用自 IFIYGD：
You want something physical or real-world tangible for unlocking achievements?

Apply for a job as a Playtester or a QA staffer with a development studio. If you have the qualifications to test the game and achievement unlocks, and someone hires and pays you to do so- awesome. You paid for unlocking achievements.

Otherwise, the personal satisfaction of 100%'ing a game or unlocking the actually difficult or time-laden-grindy achievements should be enough. If it isn't- maybe taking a break from gaming and finding something else to do with your time that gives you a sense of personal satisfaction might be a good idea. Hell, write an achievement guide for [_whatever_game_], and maybe your fellow gamers will throw some awards and points at you to use in the points shop.

I love achievement hunting, but I don't expect Valve or any developer for PC or console games to give me stuff other than pretty pixels for my profile. If I ever do feel like they should, I sure hope someone close to me tells me to go outside and touch grass, and to get over my inflated sense of self-importance because I got gud at a game.

I have a full time job, i play sports, I workout, I attend school and i go outside. I have a life lol I'm not sure why everyone suggest I have not touched grass, Im suggesting a rework on achievements or something.

I do not expect Valve to craft me a golden AK-47 and ship it to my house when I 100% Counter Strike Global Offensive. I was suggesting maybe a updated achievement showcase, have a separate achievement level that is added up from all the achievements you have gathered. Maybe have achievements give little amounts of xp that are contributed to your steam profile level.

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Brian9824 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:43

The issue is the achievements are the reward. Your asking to be rewarded for getting an award. Dev's are free to implement bonuses based on getting achievements in game if they want, its not something steam can do.

Steam isn't going to reward you for getting rewards.

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Crazy Tiger 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:46

A separate achievement level or an updated showcase are things that Valve might do. Don't expect achievements to reward XP or anything, though.

The one thing they should do is give us the option to turn it all off. Make participating in the achievements more optional, as the consoles do. On there I can turn off the notifications and such and never actually be bothered by them.

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Thermal Lance 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:47

Blasting somebody’s face off ain’t enough of a reward for you?

I mean, if the game itself ain’t a reward to you… then why are you playing?

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Start_Running 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:48

引用自 brian9824：
The issue is the achievements are the reward. Your asking to be rewarded for getting an award. Dev's are free to implement bonuses based on getting achievements in game if they want, its not something steam can do.

Steam isn't going to reward you for getting rewards.

Because then people gonna want rewards, for getting the awards they got for getting the awards.

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Gwarsbane 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:49

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Mad Scientist 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 8:51

The only real point of achievements is "I did this", there's really no other point.
Some games are you get it by playing, and other games are from playing to actually doing extremely specific and difficult tasks, some of which can unlock in-game items as a reward.
So, first it comes to the Dev to adopt achievements and make any form of reward for achievements.

It's not likely Valve will make achievements "more valuable" as they're just there.
No real point in making them worth anything.

引用自 Gwarsbane：
Could not find any threads about rewards for achievements....

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?gidforum=882959061469928464&include_deleted=1&q=reward+achievement

124 pages....

Just from the first page...
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/5413843407452431843/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/30/541907867765484827/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/530646080860133089/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/617329920699172529/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/616187204033051748/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/846939071240817978/

Just a few that I have responded to over the years...
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3279194170690695142/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3198119849660797215/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3004424478073132289/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/3004424478068764745/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/2941371547505596007/
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/10/2577697428282563042/

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AROCK!!! 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 9:14

If they made them in a way that made getting them an actual achievement, then things might be better.

As they are now they are nothing but participation trophies that a semi trained Chimp could get.

I got all but 3 achievements in the Terminator game simply by playing the game.

最後修改者：AROCK!!!; 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 9:15

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Zoopy 2022 年 6 月 12 日上午 9:23

引用自 ÁROCK!!!：
As they are now they are nothing but participation trophies that a semi trained Chimp could get.

To be fair, achievements aren't just for players. For devs they're a very good way of keeping track of how the playerbase is reacting to the game, what they're struggling with and how far the average player gets into the game.

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