Ban can be excessively restrictive

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

I have been banned from some game community in past, due to accepting provocations by trolls which infested steam.. and I guess till are around.

However I noticed that when you get limited or perma ban from these first of all you fall into a no mans land, as nor Steam nor the games often give support: they just let you there and the volunteer moderator put there by the x producer company will just not communicate and be queen or king of the situation above all Steam and above the company that contracted them (third party producer\developer). ( I mean, in most cases the reasons of something will totally be private and discretional, they won't be public at least to Steam and the Producer which will respond often with Copy paste messages, We have no control, "it seems the ban was correct") .. in some cases this leads to really a dark room filled with errors where users fall into. It can be nightmare somehow if people care and have passion for a game... or interaction with others or are like humans, problem fixing machines.

Sometimes this can also hit the AI system, it happened to me once, when posting something that I thought was related to a game... Ok but this is a long topic I won't digress into.

Another point is the lenght of bans... like a life sentence.
A permaban cannot be a life sentence. Please, after 5 years, maybe only if the user contacts back via Community Steam mod messages, please allow a deletion of the ban which will just stay in "historical ban"... However having a long line of bans in history can influence moderators who can access your history and make them decide stuff based on the image that your past gives to them. This is highly discriminative. After some time stuff must go, we are not criminals.
Sure we are all potential criminals in life, we can all make errors but, this is a game world if there is nothing serious stuff must be deleted after some time. Steam has actually a criminal record per each user.

Please very important: when a person gets banned one cannot comment on related game files, reviews, anything. This also includes one's own friends related to the game content: it is exaggeratedly restrictive. Basically one gets isolated also from her\his own friends as one cannot interact anymore.

I am not looking for Laissez fairism, but at least a Steam that is designed correctly and with wisdom, to recover people that did wrong stuff and especially not torture people.

There are also people that are 10 15 years old here, Imagine them actually being oppressed by these strong rules, this can really damage psychologically a person that just wanted to interact with others, especially being able to speak with his\her own friends.

I listed 2 or 3 of the issues I found in last 15 years on Steam. And using it in last 6 years a lot I noticed, in a sort of stress test these "issues".

I wish that the policy for banning could be reviewed a bit. At least one thing: what the ban is affecting, as blocking the entire access to uploading, commenting also on same game friends items is seriously exaggerated... (and slightly the ban system, after x years a user at least if interested should be heard and welcomed back in the community).

Some stuff cna really be done by the Steam Platform developers by a couple of ticks and after proper meeting room discussions... that see the whole picture.

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So just a list summed up again...

-Lenght of bans, I mean permabans only, should be expiring if the user is interested and developer or Steam allows or forces a max limit.

-Capillarity\ systematicity of ban temporary and permantent: allow at least a discreet ban so that the user can still post items of a game in steam without using bypass like artwork, and allow one to comment FRIEND (contacts) circle items of that game hub that banned the user. The excessive suffocating systemic ban is excessive. One is prevented also to interact with others on the public (but private) space.

-Reduce the rubber wall when one tries to speak to the Steam admin, elect an admin per store page, middleman\woman that actually are responsible and cannot overlook a request. Please remove the typical and cliché repeated sentence "We have looked into it but there seems not to be an error in the ban": having copy paste messages on such delicate issues is really soul-less and augment the feeling of being into a trash bin or box of rubber walls.

-Rubber Walling, no responsibility or true explanation of ba, no true verification nor tool to appeal, undrestand why, find a solution with the counterpart\s etc:
Please maybe a system\investment that really verifies unlike today the quotient of a wrong deed, the type of error, as I have seen issues pulled out with different effect accross the board. To make an example: I once posted in a forum with the intention to bring content to the pool and the AI system or someone identified my files soundtrack as not official and got banned, or once I posted in a post that was old instead to open a new one (which consumes energy and is not sustainable as it's better to add information to an old topic) and that first post triggered a temporary ban immediately for one day! When I was never hit in that forum, it was the first post there. Such issue, for example the last one can launch a cascade of events like a Steam Ban which is totally excessive when it was caused by an issue, Ask Gods then to unlock you because it was an error or excessive punishment (and there is NO WAY a first post in a forum that is "necro" and good willing and good faithed thriggers "because it adds up to what you had before" a Steam Hub ban.. it's injustice itself. And of course the message if you appeal will be typical copy paste rubber walled sentence "there was no error in giving this punishment".
So to avoid rubber walling please really have in companies a responsible that deals with Steam Community and is an admin not a volunteer or a new comer or simply as today, no one, or we users are good to go for Rubber walls^2.

The system can really misbehave and also its users but trying to craft a more personalized and precise system that keeps the community human and aims to hitting those who lurk and stay behind their fake clean account, and instead doesn't oppress those that want to create and improve the community, should always the main or one of the main objectives of Steam right?

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por RiO:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Well since this is in steam suggestions, i'm only going off how steam does it. You get so many warnings and chances that if you get a permanent ban you've earned it

There's one slight problem there though:
Steam global moderators apparently take input from 'priors' in specific game discussions as well.
And like it or not; among all the 'not-all-the-context-given' disingenuous examples from many users there are also valid examples of trigger-happy publishers that can't take a single lick of criticism - no matter how valid and polite it may be, and will perma-ban immediately for anything that rubs them the wrong way.

If that is your case then reply to the ban message with that In it. Usually I’d say that they will give it a deeper look but now that we are dealing with paid mods you’ll probably have to hope it’s not one of these click monkeys that work on the basis of doing the absolute minimum only.

[RiO]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

Usually I’d say that they will give it a deeper look but now that we are dealing with paid mods you’ll probably have to hope it’s not one of these click monkeys that work on the basis of doing the absolute minimum only.

I actually just amended the original post with exactly that concern.
Seems we're a bit aligned on that. :)

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

Publicado originalmente por RiO:

There's one slight problem there though:
Steam global moderators apparently take input from 'priors' in specific game discussions as well.
And like it or not; among all the 'not-all-the-context-given' disingenuous examples from many users there are also valid examples of trigger-happy publishers that can't take a single lick of criticism - no matter how valid and polite it may be, and will perma-ban immediately for anything that rubs them the wrong way.

If that is your case then reply to the ban message with that In it. Usually I’d say that they will give it a deeper look but now that we are dealing with paid mods you’ll probably have to hope it’s not one of these click monkeys that work on the basis of doing the absolute minimum only.

And those paid mods are able to see what the bans were for

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

If that is your case then reply to the ban message with that In it. Usually I’d say that they will give it a deeper look but now that we are dealing with paid mods you’ll probably have to hope it’s not one of these click monkeys that work on the basis of doing the absolute minimum only.

And those paid mods are able to see what the bans were for

Yeah, but if the ban is bogus they have to read the post that caused the ban which might be quite long in some instances.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

And those paid mods are able to see what the bans were for

Yeah, but if the ban is bogus they have to read the post that caused the ban which might be quite long in some instances.

True, can't say i've ever gotten banned to the point that its ever been an issue, so someone with more experience on the subject can chime in

[Thermal Lance]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Publicado originalmente por Thermal Lance:

Yeah, but if the ban is bogus they have to read the post that caused the ban which might be quite long in some instances.

True, can't say i've ever gotten banned to the point that its ever been an issue, so someone with more experience on the subject can chime in

I was banned once because I supposedly called someone stupid. Took forever to find somebody within moderation that could make the difference between saying than an idea is stupid and actually calling someone stupid.

I don’t even want to imagine how ♥♥♥♥♥ of a situation it would have been if I was dealing with the current team when it happened.

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

Yes for example this happened to me and how all the rubber wall machine started years ago for me on Steam, basically a bullism machine of hate and made of haters that love to damage other people account is how it started for me, around 8 years ago, I mean how I learned how dark is internet and how it fosters hate and revenge. I can't imagine people having the mental tools to actually combat and forget about these things, places like this create basically the fundamentals to violence in the reality and after years I have brought this to know to lawyers and much more and Laws are coming.

Steam has become much more reasonable but still there are tons of packs of people who have destroyed it for years, actual users and back seat mods and pretentious owners that are just users, that bascially used it as a range to shoot people, and damage them and their virtual life and interest in interacting and creating a better space, like for them this could not be possible, and had to be prevented.

If you see what happened in this topic you have actually the proof there are people who operate under "fake news" method: they take your message start to manipulate, punch you and try to leverage on that, and fill moderation of reports that are just pretexts to damage your account and prevent you in the future from speaking because they know how it works.

Steam BAN has basically a PEDEGREE, like we were animals: if you do bad stuff the system will be public on that to moderators: moderators will be able to see always who you are and what you did and will judge you just on what noise and total fuss is around on your account.

The more Steam members shoot you via report the more chance there is possibility your account will get warnings and bans as a consquence and will get more of it if you dare to move. Like this there is a REAL terror created on a person that will want to share something with her\his own account after these kind of barrage method leveraging over the total obsolete and primitive system of reporting and automatic low effort moderation system.

Moderation was not once many of you weren't even online made of people banning, but people calling people out to behave and try to fluidify the conversation, moderation is all about that, any rational person can understand the idea of moderation with a HAMMER or this image it has earned of beasty like reaper is TOTAL counter productive trash.

Moderation needs to have rules in support, the Human capital (the forces, enough people) and the ability to actually transform bad in good, and actually heal and amend the community and enhance the chance a better context creates for and with the users, not cut out users, constantly pruning, this is not moderation, that is range shooting.

This OP or else is not about moderation, it is about suggestions I posted 3 to show the system edges can be smoothed. I have experienced in past years several events that got me entangled in how hard is to be in the community when there is a pack of wolves that hunt you, and they are left there shooting at people, instead for the moderation to cut them out forever. Instead they are still online and they reporduce, change account I don't know what they do (or pretend not to know) but they keep destroying this amazing creation that Steam is.

The forums have such potential that they could really create huge value, and isntead if you all see this topic you can see how they are used just to bomb people, isolate them, harass the good, incentivate hate and revenge operations...
The entire thing here was done as usual: create narratives about the OP, insult, accuse, be insolent and invent context or meaning that is not in the OP and actually trick the user base to think the OP wants to say something that wasn't said nor even barely intended in any phrase, just change the meaning of a post and then just push it down that hill...

I mean this is the CONSTANT method and moderation doesn't care at all; AT ALL of what these criminals do.

This will also get to prosecutors and we will all pay.

Instead I suggest since years:

invest a bit more, make sure that companies shop page owner has a responsible for intermediating with Steam and Publisher Community manager.
Steam change a bit rules and have a misssion, a value, a bunch of objectives that are sustainable and human, escape from copy paste messages, mechanical control and so on. Start little by little to take care of the cases possible with a one o one interaction and also forget about the "Good willing guide" but really instead spread a culture of solving problems.

When ♥♥♥♥ its the fan instead just make sure to follow the entire topic and see who started everything and hit there. Do not hit blindly .. this is the problem.
If people make unreliable reports just stop following their reports.

The problem is that like in any reality the bad is infiltrated also in Steam, this is true everywhere, so this won't fix until someone really big in Steam notices what is happening since a decade, and If they know it and pretend not to, then it will be someone in the Public Institution like Authority that will explain they need to improve stuff and in that case it will be harsh, instead they could just reduce the cost for themselves and eveyryone by introducing simple changes and pushing a culture of sustainability and a true context of forums where it's possible to speak to each other.

Instead as soon as a bad apple enters the forums the mess starts, the pack comes, the topic close, the warning flies, the hatred (TOTALLY UNNECESSARY) between users spreads.

I really don't understand why some come in forums and write arrogant and aggressive or accustatory stuff.

If you check the first or second or third message after the first post, if you are a neutral person you can totally see what I mean: people not even read the OP, and just post aggressive and rude stuff that is totally there to derail topic and make you feel like you should not dare to write something, or you should shut up or that you are a bad person...

I really can't understand why steam allows that toxicity just normally there to keep flowing. They wait for "reports" ahaha this entire logic is totally wrong. They need to search for the rude actions the clear flames, the systematical users that enter topics and derail them from the first message the post in it... and instead... all is left to the most violent.

That is why Steam community risks a lot...Valve risks huge fines. I don't want that... for a bunch of hot heads that know no actual dignity to happen. The users that prevent forum to work as a forum, and players to speak as humans to each other building stuff together, need to be seen, why Steam keeps watching on the other side?

I will never understand this.

Publicado originalmente por RiO:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Well since this is in steam suggestions, i'm only going off how steam does it. You get so many warnings and chances that if you get a permanent ban you've earned it

There's one slight problem there though:
Steam global moderators apparently take input from 'priors' in game-specific sub-forums as well.

And like it or not; among all the 'not-all-the-context-given' disingenuous examples from many users there are also valid examples of trigger-happy publishers that can't take a single lick of criticism - no matter how valid and polite it may be, and will issue an extended or even permanent ban immediately for anything that rubs them the wrong way.

If you're unfortunate enough to be affected by a few of those type of bans lingering on your permanent record; then suddenly your first-time general community warning can turn into a 2 week ban. And a repeat offense into a premature permanent community ban.

And whether or not they do is wholly dependent on the random chance where the global moderator in question is going to dig into your entire ban history and read up on all of it first, or is just going to act off of the counter of number of prior bans accrued and trust the system at face value.

Thanks for bringing with your posts more info to the topic however the topic was not about Law (and indeed you enriched it), it is not my aim to bring it to such serious and heavy topics, that sound threatening. I just suggested 3-4 aspects that really are sad and I think could be points around which Steam could work to improve situation for Steam and especially raise the level of the entire community.

It is well known to any player I know that on steam forums are something to avoid at all costs.
Because it is justa waste of time dealing with the kind of experience you just can see in the topic.

The cliché "Report and move on", or tons of other primitive cliché are totally aged badly but so badly I can't even name it. The methods the harassers use are ALWAYS the same, always and they totally know how steam works and possibly know also people in it.

Now steam has also handed them 2 Steam Awards icons to spam them around: it's the clown and the other item from Steam awards besides the "Funny" bomb spam reaction...

And Steam hasn't removed them yet. How smart.

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

I repeat my suggestions

- No rubber wall, nor automated messages and copy paste same sentences (example: we have checked the issue but it seems the ban has been handled correctly). Actually allow interaction with the user and appeal means also discussion: why is that, what has happened?
Can I be put in touch with whom there was a problem if both side agree? Can steam be human and less savage violence? Can people try to understand each other instead to part ways forever for no reason.
We see people fighting people without both knowing even who they are... it's just incredible.

Itì's like the whole thing was piloted to acually prevent people to have a dynamic and lively universe of forums...

-Invest in moderation structure, have a turnover (same moderator cannot be always in the same area, after a few months they need to leave and for a long time for another area if not forever from moderating...) and integrate such investment in HR capital with better rules over which I tried to give some inspiration or ideas based on what I experienced deeply in past years.

-Capillarity of ban effects: reduce the effect of a ban to the public area (or where it is needed) but discriminate more: reduce unneded areas of ban (it's silly that one cannot comment a picture posted by her friend on a game nor thumb up a review on a game that you where banned from... ), but the public circle of the user should be open so that one can still interact with the friends posting stuff from that game that has handed the punishment on you. (for example and especially in the ACTIVITY area)
So investing in redefining of the way a ban is handled, not only explaining and trying to tell how to avoid issues personally speaking to the users, but also limiting the amount of isolation that the user has aiming just at the global public area but leaving the user speak to his friend and interact with the game content on her\his own profile too without Game limiting related punishment that are extremely extensive and unsensible t the moment, Steam can handle a just punishment that is not torture to the user and make sure that this one will not raise anger issues

-Lenght of permaban and making them historical ban or even delete them after a lenght of time if they are not due to something extremely bad like killing threat or even worse stuff.
After some time the ban can go depending on the interest and or request.. however the permaban should stay there for some time.
This crazy trend that developed a lot in last decades of uprooting users that haven't really done anything bad, but just made a moderator or especially a pack of users face something that is unusual from the routine, is a trend that is extremely scary and sign of a degeneration of human interaction... and this has cascade effect.
Ban Mute block silence isolate is not the answer!

-Check again the punishments: when a user refer to an other and starts to say to others you are a bad users because you did this that and that, that is an immediate ban: that is actually intentional stalking and defacing of a person image. Update the list of issues with actual present day behavior by checking the forums and seeing what are the actual pragmatical assaults and type of methods harassers use. As of today the wrongs we are punished for are very old stuff that needs to be reviewed or completed with more infringements types.
Steam needs to check the users that always go in topics to start a fight and just change the meaning of the topic and damage the entire conversation: where are the moderators for example that PARTICIPATE as PEERS to the conversation? Where are they gone? This is a crucial method to have a constant cool feeling of Global community and enforces people acting politely and being constructive.

-Offer new and better sources, videos and HR capital, good users, tools to actually better community culture, remove cynical behavior and war constant status, totally remove the forum back seat mods and back seat wannabe owners of knowledge.

After all people might have issues sometimes, and fall into a fight but things cannot be alwasy so savage and dramatic, things can be repaired, why not starting here and there, why not train mods to do that, make mods actually fix stuff instead to act from the darkness and cut off stuff, like machines in the dark, why creating this dead space, a space that just favors those that want to destroy anything... Why those that destroy peopel chance to post are always there, ALWAYS WITH THE SAME NAME, always there writing always the same sentences, always with the same negative attitude.

Nobody with a brain is going to report people in a forum, why one should report someone even with a bad attitude, we are here to talk, and instead the most violent not only harass, provoke, but also report and bomb report...

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Let me be clear about something: more someone more than one time in this topic said that "come on, if you get a permaban you really deserve it, you really have done something bad and wrong, something huge and big, like life threatening, or more" (a side of the problem is sometime this crimes are invented, words are used or turned on purpose - no appeal on such accusations, as the accusation are so strong that the accuser or who judge would rarely walk back on such accusation once handed the punishment), so I was saying: more than someone says that bans are very rare and due to factual realistic problematic behaviors: this is not true.


I explained also how it works.
If you get a ban you will be likely to be targeted in future by other moderators as they can see your story and think they know you and will just handle bad events on your head as long as you are reported. The darkness will appeal more darkness, the absence of any issue will not call any. This is a primitve system that not only violates your privacy making "easy and superficial" to get you judged (instead to go to check the topic and the entire conversation and decide based on what was actually said in a topic) but just discriminates! Yes this is what happens here.

However My suggestion wasn't about speaking of all these things just suggest what I wrote above.


The Purpose of such improvements?
-Have a powerful community that produces even more valuable content.
-Having less work for moderators, having better moderators, having more happy and buying users. Users that find themselves in a healty place will spread healthy attitude and possibly support the Valve project...
-Less issues in the future as Law is about to catch up with the huge advancements, and amending the holes that are still there infesting our daily interactions, since Law is about to amend the holes that created along the digital singularity we lived and are still living in, in past 2 decades in digital\ social universes, especially thanks to the gaming world that is shaping our future as humans (among other things).
-Stronger barrier to competitors that will have hard time recreating such successful community,which instead right now represents a point of weakness.
-Having stronger relations with publishers\developers
There are tons of advantages
-Harassers will have not easy time to restudy a way to abuse loopholes that they today leverage to oppress with their kingdom of negativity and systematic toxicity and manipulation

while risks and disadvantages are some like the complexity of such improvements implementation, and possibility some competitor will copy such new structure,
need of many people moderating and need for new people with some experience, sensibility, ability to deal; need for quite some research and case studies to learn what is best to implement and how.

Sorry I am tired since today and I have a hard time to make sentences that work... I am sure steam can create a better system for the community. Transparent, powerful, empowering the creatives and passionate about creating content and creating value (it can even be a post or a topic), I tried just to share my 2-3 suggestion in the OP over elements that could be smoothed to sort the same effects there are now, or improve them a bit, but in the same time also change the way they are handled and be more surgical and much lesser "carpet bombing like".

[DESTROYER]

No, the number of reports a post generates doesn't determine if you actually get a warning or ban, only if the post in question falls afoul of the rules. Really tired of seeing that myth paraded about.

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

Publicado originalmente por DESTROYER:

No, the number of reports a post generates doesn't determine if you actually get a warning or ban, only if the post in question falls afoul of the rules. Really tired of seeing that myth paraded about.

I understand when a myth is spread one can feel angry. I totally understand, the topic here has been all about spreading myth of what was written in the OP just to make a very irritating example.
However regarding that, believe me, I spoke with several moderators, it works like that, and yes, if you understand what it means, yes, it's scarily discriminative and primitive.

I totally understand why Steam Managers decided that in the office decisions roomes. How to handle such large amount of users filled with tons of wrong doers, counting also the huge amount of conflict that can happen, and considering that people come from tons of educations and cultures and societies? Well I do not blame Steam for choosing at least for now that way, but that is highly medieval, it has to be changing, more investment, more mods, more capable ones, more training for them, more participation of them in forums, more positive interactions, less non transparent ops and packs of wolves users lurking etc..

The system is easy to exploit if anyone want to get someone into trouble, I have reasearched this, with the help of others, believe me it's really the paradise for abusers here. It's easy to use the system. (I know because also I was object of this and collected cases where others were too and seen the same method, sometime the same account behind it)

On Amazon if you do have a constant abusive attitude by requesting refunds or returning something you use (even after the second time you have a crossair on yourself) they have systems that are capable to identify it as they have tons of humans behind it.

Steam does not have that. Steam doesn't have all the money of Bezos...

This is why Steam will possibly start to shut down as the structure they have is extremely cost cut (and this is why also between others, why they make so much money) and the quality of almost impossible general interaction anywhere in any forums is clearly noticable... aggression never sleeps. (it wil take not relaly much money every year to improve the situation, really not many... but I guess Chiefs they cannot remove even 100k dollars from the billions they make). - especially in a recession phase like the one that is coming.. like never seen on earth before - (however no excuses, I suggested to improve since years many years before 2019)

I want to speak to all not get harassed. Nor respond to harassment. But it's impossible people join in just to do that, and it's incredible Mods or chiefs don't see how the system is constantly abused... I got to the point I believe it's someone inside steam with double account, so much I feel these issues are just abandoned (to do what they want)... Like payed people to shut down conversations, specific ones.

If you go in topics (millions of them) you will find anyway in many converastion someone who starts to harass another and the topic will just take tons of pages of that until closure, or jsut death of conversation, or it will take anyway like here 70 posts before it gets back to a normal discussion, in a topic that is made of 86 posts. (guess what happens? Nobody is that is what happens here will use forums and take them seriously, the type of person you will find will just be jokers, trolls and harassers.. because the good ones will just take other spaces to go at, it's mathematical, and that is what Steam should inver: repopulate community with quality)...

[Washell]

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

I explained also how it works.
If you get a ban you will be likely to be targeted in future by other moderators as they can see your story and think they know you and will just handle bad events on your head as long as you are reported. The darkness will appeal more darkness, the absence of any issue will not call any. This is a primitve system that not only violates your privacy making "easy and superficial" to get you judged (instead to go to check the topic and the entire conversation and decide based on what was actually said in a topic) but just discriminates! Yes this is what happens here.

So basically, you've been bad, you will be bad in the future and you want less severe consequences for your actions. That's not going to happen.

Read the rules. Stick to the spirit of them and in two years times you'll wonder why you ever were upset about this.

As for permanent bans, if you ♥♥♥♥ up that badly it's time to abandon ship and start a new account, on which you'll behave.

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

What you wrote makes no sense Washell: "So basically, you've been bad, you will be bad in the future and you want less severe consequences for your actions. That's not going to happen."
This sentences make no sense at all and are just illogical.


You suggest to circumvent rules (create a new account), you also say that if one have done bad will do bad, this is just stuff that is extremely scary if you believe it. I have no idea where you live but it must be scary there.

Sure, read the rules, but one needs to read much more than just rules, to have a culture and an education... believe me, it will help.
You have no idea nor want to understand how bans loop works, and I, I have no Idea why you keep pointing your index to me. You have not read the message and that is rule number one, to take part ot a topic, you also have created your own meaning and are throwing on me stuff the topic is not about. Why you keep telling me like I am the smart one trying to avoid issues and problems for my persona... who is saying that? ahahah I am not referring to my cases at all, I am saying I lived through experiences that you have not and putting context in as I have competence over how something work, you clearly don't have an idea at all over how ban system works, and how moderation and forum can work better...

Why you speak of me, when the topic is not about me?

[[BRE] Léonard "le Fol"]

Publicado originalmente por DESTROYER:

No, the number of reports a post generates doesn't determine if you actually get a warning or ban, only if the post in question falls afoul of the rules. Really tired of seeing that myth paraded about.

I confirm, yes the number of the reports doesn't change, but if the number of origin of the reports is large, then the moderator will have a massive power to operate as many say that a thing is not ok, when it's ok and will have an invented reason (also because some are AI ones) to do something just because many ask for it and thuse there is a majority support to "kill", who cares if there is any issue or not. I have many stuff likethis, never explained never really taken seriously, it's just random stuff warned without any reason, the system will look into your story and see if you have "caused issue" or the stories say that of you and you will get into a loop where basically it's others making your story, not your actualy deeds.

This is the scary way the system works here. Nobody knows it but it does and it's a degenerated way of how life works in tribal areas...

In fact there is a lot of tribalism growing in our modern communities and this keyword has been going around recently a lot,m because these dynamics are spreading also in real communities not just real-virtual ones.

You become what other invent of you, not what you really are and are worth or want to do.
This topic is just the clear manifestation of it. Tons of people just come in mistify the meaning and build on it their "EcceHomo" . it's incredible how violence is around.

Look at last post by Washell, just another example of it: comes in, follows the thread "you are doing this topic for your own benefit" invented by others that like this user came here to fake news distort and derail, and then just builds on it illogical stuff and also pulls triggers like there was someone to shoot or to decide who is good or is bad, when instead is a suggestion thread and there is TON of OFF TOPIC in here. But of course it's all right, who knows why? It's all right for these people to come here and piss off topic stuff...

[Washell]

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

What you wrote makes no sense Washell: "So basically, you've been bad, you will be bad in the future and you want less severe consequences for your actions. That's not going to happen."
This sentences make no sense at all and are just illogical.

You're saying that you have a history of moderation (doing bad)
You're saying that you will be reported and moderated in the future (doing bad again)

You won't be reported or moderated again if you stick to the rules. In two years time, no moderator is going to heavily weigh your past history if you've been active but well behaved for that period.

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

you also say that if one have done bad will do bad

Nope, that's what you said, even if you didn't mean to say it. What you thought you said was "I'm going to be reported and moderated again even though I'm innocent". Well, if you get moderated following a report, you weren't innocent.

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

You suggest to circumvent rules

Making a new account in order to continue the same argument is circumventing rules. Making a new account to have a fresh start is fine.

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

You have no idea nor want to understand how bans loop works

I know that your behaviour and actions are the ones that keep the loop running. Moderation is purely reactive.

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

Sure, read the rules, but one needs to read much more than just rules, to have a culture and an education... believe me, it will help.

To a point. You need to read the rules and understand Steam's culture on this forums. That's all. If you follow that nothing will happen.

Publicado originalmente por horsedancingwithcrow:

I have no Idea why you keep pointing your index to me.

That's because I'm allergic to people blaming everything but their own actions. It's something I'm working on.

In closing, on the previous Steam forums one of the staff members of Valve stated that less than 1% of users is ever moderated. You may feel that moderation is everywhere and oppressive, but you're living in a self-inflicted bubble of pain. Once you realize that and institute your own mental moderator that edits you with steam's rules and culture in mind, you'll never deal with actual moderators again.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Publicado originalmente por Cathulhu:

Permabans are not given lightly. It requires either very severe violations of the rules, or many not so severe violations.
Previous convictions are taken into accord for new bans.

So, you are not a victim. You are a repeat offender. You were shown the door multiple times. If people don't like you being around, think about why.

It genuinely depends the dev, while most devs have no issue with keeping to the general theme of Steam public forums. I've personally seen someone get banned, for telling a user "if they don't like the forum rules, they can leave.". The user they said that to, was complaining for a previous ban for being vulgar/transphobic.

For game hubs, it's a case by case basis, however I agree that MOST of them, won't actually perm ban right off the bat.