Suggestion of New Rating System.

[FOXDUDE69]

Hello everyone!

I think the current rating system on Steam could use some improvement.

The problem, in my humble opinion, is that there's no visible difference between a thumbs up given to a game because the user believes it's a 3/5 game and a thumbs up for a game that the user considers to be a 5/5.

Therefor, I believe that a rating system that provides reviewers with a few more rating options, would directly result on more accurate approval ratings.

I present to you my idea for the new and improved Steam Review Rating System!

: Two thumbs down. Absolute dumpster fire!
: Thumbs down. No bueno!
: Meh.
: Thumbs up. Good game, bro.
: Two Thumbs up. Dude you have to play this!

My idea is that a single thumbs up adds a value of 0.5 positive points to the overall approval rating, while two thumbs up would add the value of 1.0. Meh, would obviously contribute with a 0, while the thumbs down and two thumbs down would obviously contribute with a -0.5 and a -1.0.

Every current thumbs up will be automatically upgraded to a two thumbs up, and every thumbs down would be automatically upgraded to a two thumbs down, that way all current approval ratings for every single game would remain the exactly the same as they are now and reviewers can go and adjust their ratings (or not) as they see fit!

[Start_Running]

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:

I won't bother hopping deep into the debate since honestly there is nothing new I could add, its all been hashed out to hell and back. But I can say, that I do agree with this suggestion.In the end, it just means more reviews which as it stands now, are already capable of being separated from each other. IE- Look at only positive, or only negative reviews. So if you didn't want to see the neutral reviews it is 100% avoidable and if you do, well they exist and thus you can look at them.

Whether or not Valve adds it is anyone's guess really, but here's hoping they do.

The problem isn'rt the visibility its the effect on the system. It would more or less require a resets across the board. That's not something that would suit Valve or the dev/pubs.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:

I won't bother hopping deep into the debate since honestly there is nothing new I could add, its all been hashed out to hell and back. But I can say, that I do agree with this suggestion.In the end, it just means more reviews which as it stands now, are already capable of being separated from each other. IE- Look at only positive, or only negative reviews. So if you didn't want to see the neutral reviews it is 100% avoidable and if you do, well they exist and thus you can look at them.

Whether or not Valve adds it is anyone's guess really, but here's hoping they do.

The problem isn'rt the visibility its the effect on the system. It would more or less require a resets across the board. That's not something that would suit Valve or the dev/pubs.

Adding more options wouldn't require any sort of "reset". Just simply pick one of the new options for each of the existing options to be mapped to.

If we're going to a five point scale, it's simple enough to just turn existing positive reviews into 5's and existing negative reviews into 1's, then let reviewers decide whether to change them again afterwards on their own.

If we're just adding a neutral option, it's even easier! No change at all is needed to existing positives or negatives. Only a third option is newly added, and again reviewers can choose whether to change things on their own.

[fluxtorrent]

Quint the Alligator Snapper eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

I guess you've never visited a shoe store either, never been in one that had reviews at all

I guess you've never visited an online store that has people using the non-extreme choices for ratings in their reviews.

...then again maybe you just sorta intentionally ignore stuff that doesn't fit how you want to see things. Because I provided you a bunch of examples and you claimed that they showed mostly 1's and 5's when they didn't.

Imagine pretending he was comparing shoe reviews not the shoe SIZES he explicitly said. Of course you forgive the false equivalencies when its your buddies making them. Do you ever get tired of being disingenuous?

[Pierce Dalton]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:

I won't bother hopping deep into the debate since honestly there is nothing new I could add, its all been hashed out to hell and back. But I can say, that I do agree with this suggestion.In the end, it just means more reviews which as it stands now, are already capable of being separated from each other. IE- Look at only positive, or only negative reviews. So if you didn't want to see the neutral reviews it is 100% avoidable and if you do, well they exist and thus you can look at them.

Whether or not Valve adds it is anyone's guess really, but here's hoping they do.

The problem isn'rt the visibility its the effect on the system. It would more or less require a resets across the board. That's not something that would suit Valve or the dev/pubs.

There's absolutely no need to reset anything.

[AROCK!!!]

Thermal Lance eredeti hozzászólása:

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

lol

Just when you think you've heard it all.



Opinions do not have to be black and white, yes or no, etc. Every day people form middle of the road, neutral opinions on numerous things, and that is a fact.


My opinion on Hamburgers with real beef---good / yes / recommended.

Hamburgers with plant based patties (at least the few I have tried)---bad / no / not recommended.

Tofu burgers--Meh / neutral / neither recommended or not recommended.



This has been covered in length throughout this entire thread, and while throwing out things like "paradoxes" and "empty sets" may add some comic relief to this tired thread, they don't change anything.


Simply put, adding an other that yes / no option will allow for more reviews because people that chose neither yes or no will be more likely to post a review, and reviews that are more honest because no one will have to pick an option that does not accurately express their opinion.


BTW, running boy quoted only a part of my post.

Here is the entire thing.

Does not accurately express their opinion? Lmao.

Dude, you either recommend or you don’t. If you’re not sure either you didn’t play enough to even think of writing a review or you do not comprehend that if you cannot recommend then you don’t.

If you reached the stage of « not sure », then obviously don’t recommend it.

about 10 pages ago I posted a stripped down version o a review for a game I find neutral.


lmao......"Not sure" clearly fits the definition of neutral.


Also, we already covered the question part and it has been suggested that it be changed.

[Pierce Dalton]

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint the Alligator Snapper eredeti hozzászólása:

I guess you've never visited an online store that has people using the non-extreme choices for ratings in their reviews.

...then again maybe you just sorta intentionally ignore stuff that doesn't fit how you want to see things. Because I provided you a bunch of examples and you claimed that they showed mostly 1's and 5's when they didn't.

Imagine pretending he was comparing shoe reviews not the shoe SIZES he explicitly said. Of course you forgive the false equivalencies when its your buddies making them. Do you ever get tired of being disingenuous?

No, that's not a false equivalence. You're just too blind to understand it.

Shoes stores always sell certain sizes more than others, that doesn't mean they must eliminate the sizes selling less.

Still, your argument is that the majority of people would use 1 or 5 if there was a 5 star system. Bad news for you, my friend: even IF that was true (which you can't prove) that doesn't mean anything. Because you still have to keep options for the minority.

[Start_Running]

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

lmao......"Not sure" clearly fits the definition of neutral.

But you're sure that your position isn't to recommend. So you are sure you do not recommend.

As for changing the question...I'm sorry but if you don't like the question just don't answer it.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

ÁROCK!!! eredeti hozzászólása:

lmao......"Not sure" clearly fits the definition of neutral.

But you're sure that your position isn't to recommend. So you are sure you do not recommend.

As for changing the question...I'm sorry but if you don't like the question just don't answer it.

Would be nice if there were a way to "don't answer it" and still post a review. Hmm, if only someone proposed that...

Oh wait, it's actually covered by the more basic suggestion of just adding a neutral option.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

Quint the Alligator Snapper eredeti hozzászólása:

I guess you've never visited an online store that has people using the non-extreme choices for ratings in their reviews.

...then again maybe you just sorta intentionally ignore stuff that doesn't fit how you want to see things. Because I provided you a bunch of examples and you claimed that they showed mostly 1's and 5's when they didn't.

Imagine pretending he was comparing shoe reviews not the shoe SIZES he explicitly said. Of course you forgive the false equivalencies when its your buddies making them. Do you ever get tired of being disingenuous?

You may want to note that I didn't keep on entertaining this discussion about shoes (which you're trying to perpetuate) and pulled it back to being about videogame reviews.

Again, I showed you a bunch of different games on a site that has a 1 to 5 scale and showed you just how often ratings other than 1 and 5 get used. And what did you do? Deny that they're a thing.

Do you ever get tired of being disingenuous?

[AROCK!!!]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

I guess you've never visited a shoe store either, never been in one that had reviews at all

Yeah, they don't have reviews. They have shoes of various sizes, for all people, not only two extremes.

The fact that you missed the point here tells a lot about your intellect.

actualy, they do.

I just googled the shoe store a few towns over, and sure enough it has a customer review displayed (trusted shops)...a 5 star system at that, and lo and behold, there were reviews from 1 to 5 with a grand total of just under 25,000


And let's not forget google reviews----you go to a business, and then rate it.

[Brian9824]

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Fortunately Steam is smart enough to realize you and your buddies on your friends list don't speak for the community, and that your opinion doesn't carry any more weight then the numerous people who disagree with the need to change the idea simply because you feel its better.

It seems you're forgetting something here. No one here speaks for the community, one must be delusional to believe that because there are more than 1 billion users on Steam. Still, YOU believe you speak for the majority, isn't that ironic?

Umm try reading it again, didnt once say I speak for the majority, in fact I said the OP's opinion counts just as much as those who disagree with him. That would quite literally be the exact OPPOSITE of me claiming I speak for the majority..... Unlike a certain OP who HAS claimed he speaks for the community

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

The "numerous people who disagree with the need to change" is a product of your imagination, because no survey about this has ever been carried out, and probably never will because, like I said before, Valve tends to do their stuff as they please.

No survey is needed, there are multiple people posting against it, hence the numerous people who disagree with the change.

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

If someone thinks he can speak for the majority, that's hilarious, you're just being a megalomaniac. That's exactly what you did here.

Couldn't agree more, now go show me a single post where I ever said I spoke for the community such as this lovely quote where

FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

when Steam will realize the community would be happier with a rating system that allows their rating to truly reflect their feelings about a game.

Or

FOXDUDE69 eredeti hozzászólása:

it's safe to say that the community doesn't care so much about in depth reviews on Steam.
.

Sadly one one person is claiming to speak for the community, but your so eager to attack that you completely missed it, then again he's your friend so not really a surprise your defending him and ignoring him doing the very thing you incorrectly accuse me of.

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brian9824 eredeti hozzászólása:

Pierce Dalton eredeti hozzászólása:

The "numerous people who disagree with the need to change" is a product of your imagination, because no survey about this has ever been carried out, and probably never will because, like I said before, Valve tends to do their stuff as they please.

No survey is needed, there are multiple people posting against it, hence the numerous people who disagree with the change.

The number of people who've asked for this change over the many incarnations of this thread topic is greater than the number of people who keep endlessly arguing against a change that wouldn't even hurt them but would simply provide options to those who want to use them.

[fluxtorrent]

So any actual numbers on that claim, or just another baseless assertion that you "believe" is real

[Sasori Kigaru]

Start_Running eredeti hozzászólása:

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:

I won't bother hopping deep into the debate since honestly there is nothing new I could add, its all been hashed out to hell and back. But I can say, that I do agree with this suggestion.In the end, it just means more reviews which as it stands now, are already capable of being separated from each other. IE- Look at only positive, or only negative reviews. So if you didn't want to see the neutral reviews it is 100% avoidable and if you do, well they exist and thus you can look at them.

Whether or not Valve adds it is anyone's guess really, but here's hoping they do.

The problem isn'rt the visibility its the effect on the system. It would more or less require a resets across the board. That's not something that would suit Valve or the dev/pubs.

With the various updates/improvements/additions Valve adds to steam, such as steam points which included making an entire different system to handle that, I don't see how adding the Neutral review option would cause any system related issues. I don't see how it'd require resets either, its adding a new option to the already existing system which MAY cause some bugs cause that happens with just about every update.

Now granted, I do not code for a living, but I've no reason to believe Valve would be incapable of it. If you're aware of some coding issues they'd run into though that'd require resetting the entire thing then please do explain, it might help me understand the problem.

Apart from that, more reviews would suit Valve as well as Devs/pubs. Regardless of it being positive, neutral or negative (within reason for that one obviously as not all bad publicity is good) all the addition means is that more people get to talk about the game and thus more people start to look into it. Start to see whether or not the game is theirs and maybe eventually try it on their own.

[Quint the Alligator Snapper]

fluxtorrent eredeti hozzászólása:

So any actual numbers on that claim, or just another baseless assertion that you "believe" is real

It's literally just from the threads about this topic and similar topics (e.g. asking for a neutral review option, asking for a mixed review option, asking for more options without specifying how many, etc.) in this forum.

You can do a search yourself. This topic has come up quite a few times over the years.

Sasori Kigaru eredeti hozzászólása:

If you're aware of some coding issues they'd run into though that'd require resetting the entire thing then please do explain, it might help me understand the problem.

(Start_Running doesn't work for Valve so he wouldn't be able to tell you about them anyway. But he might try to speculate endlessly about possible problems.)