the lack of proper privacy options

[Xeno Metora]

is getting to where people from my friends list delete me because i put my profile on private and they think i blocked them and i have something against them

also people from forums think because i have a private profile i must be a hacker or a troll....this is getting ridiculous are we ever gonna get some proper privacy options so i no longer need to have a private profile?

[Xeno Metora]

"Just set profile to private and explain why to your friends"

great idea.... i'll just tell them i put my profile on private cuz i don't want you to know how long i'm playing my games....yeah they totally gonna understand and not think it's weird and awkward at all

[Start_Running]

Цитата допису Restvive:

"Just set profile to private and explain why to your friends"

great idea.... i'll just tell them i put my profile on private cuz i don't want you to know how long i'm playing my games....yeah they totally gonna understand and not think it's weird and awkward at all

Have you tried it?
Or are you afraid to learn just how little your friends give a damn about what you're doing?

[Xeno Metora]

Цитата допису Start_Running:

Цитата допису Restvive:

"Just set profile to private and explain why to your friends"

great idea.... i'll just tell them i put my profile on private cuz i don't want you to know how long i'm playing my games....yeah they totally gonna understand and not think it's weird and awkward at all

Have you tried it?
Or are you afraid to learn just how little your friends give a damn about what you're doing?

and how do you know what my friends are thinking do you have psychic powers?

[IrmaoDoJorel]

Start_Running, it seems to me that you (and some others) are the ones turning it into an echo chamber and completly avoiding the discussion regarding the lack of privacy settings customization in this platform, instead you and others insist in evaluating the trustfulness of the friendships made by the users who complain.

Again, my point is, you should not have to choose between only "hide it all", or "show it all" to the world, neighter catalog friends between "Friends" and "Rest of the world" on Steam. Customization is the keyword.

[xaxazak]

I doubt Steam has any objection to more granular privacy control (feel free to correct me if you have evidence). Instead I'm pretty sure it's just lack of developer time.

I wish Valve would tell us how they feel about issues like this, though.

[Start_Running]

Цитата допису Internet Explorer:

Start_Running, it seems to me that you (and some others) are the ones turning it into an echo chamber and completly avoiding the discussion regarding the lack of privacy settings customization in this platform, instead you and others insist in evaluating the trustfulness of the friendships made by the users who complain.

Again, my point is, you should not have to choose between only "hide it all", or "show it all" to the world, neighter catalog friends between "Friends" and "Rest of the world" on Steam. Customization is the keyword.

No it's just an issue that's been brought up before and it's really not as wide spread an issue as you and others would like to believe.. I.e 80% are more or lessare okay with the current settings and the kicker is. The suggestions you and yours make... well. They don't even solve your oproblems. The friends that you don't let see your game time are still going to think bad things about you and make fun of your game tiome since that's why you're hiding it.

So why spend time and money tio implemment a feature that really doesn't even solve the problem it's suppsoed to.

[IrmaoDoJorel]

Well, I think ~20% of a community the size of Steam's is a very big public, and for any group this number is still a significative portion.

I, for instance, do not have any problems in keeping my profile public to the world or to any friends, my profile is indeed public because I have mostly easy going young adults friends who regularly come to Steam to have some fun and mess around. However Steam community includes people ranging from 13 (legally) years old and beyond, with huge cultural differences and different maturity levels. There are infinite scenarios and reasons to why would someone want to hide something.

If those optional customization features are implemented, it would not affect you or people indifferent about it at all, but bring benefit to the kind of people who would use this feature.

Increasing the confort of ~20% of your clients with your platform would probably have a positive impact on your revenue and on the time they spend using it.

[Arax]

Цитата допису Start_Running:

No it's just an issue that's been brought up before and it's really not as wide spread an issue as you and others would like to believe.. I.e 80% are more or lessare okay with the current settings and the kicker is.

I think if there was a poll about the need for more detailed privacy settings, 50% answered that they need more options.
Some don't want to hide everything, just part of info, but they forced to hide everything in order to hide few parts.
If many users don't even visit this forum, doesn't mean they automatically okay with everything.

[xaxazak]

I keep my profile private because right from the start random people were using playtime to make invalid forum arguments such as "you shouldn't comment if you haven't even started the game" (although I'd finished it outside of steam) and "you haven't even got to X yet after hours" (despite the fact I hadn't actually got the game working past the menu) - not direct quotes.

If I could block that I'd be happy to have a public profile.

I don't care in the slightest what people assume I'm hiding my playtime for.


Unfortunately, there's people here that don't want to admit other people might have valid reasons that they haven't thought about, and instead base all their logic only around the reasons they've imagined.

[Spambot71 (main character)]

Wait, so you are fine being judged for hiding your playtime but not fine with being judged for what your playtime was?

[Start_Running]

Цитата допису Spambot71 (main character):

Wait, so you are fine being judged for hiding your playtime but not fine with being judged for what your playtime was?

They don't uusually see the problem's true nature. Anyone who'd make fun of you for for having some games or some play tiome or whatever would make fun of you for hiding your gamnes list and hours regardless.

It's essentially the catch 22. Those that can't see it will know you're deliberately hiding it, worse they may know you're not hiding it from others and so the drama will begin

[IrmaoDoJorel]

As me, Restvive, Arax and xaxazak are saying, you guys have to accept there are more scenarios involving privacy concerns in this huge community than you or we are even capable of imaginating.

Questioning each individual case and background is just nowhere near as effective as making this platform more flexible. I do not understand why people are opposing making life easier for some (huge) portion of this community.

[Spambot71 (main character)]

Or we could just look at the root cause of it all, your insecurities, and realise that your problems are not steams problem.

[Start_Running]

Цитата допису Internet Explorer:

As me, Restvive, Arax and xaxazak are saying, you guys have to accept there are more scenarios involving privacy concerns in this huge community than you or we are even capable of imaginating.

Many scenarios but very few root causes and when the root is based in human insecurities and personal hangups. there is nothing that will ever fix the problem beyond the person maturing out of them. 'nuff said.
That's sort of whty the last change to privacy options got rid of two settings. Because, in the end they did nothing. What you're asking for is the system to give you more choices tio allow you to avoid making a choice. Think long and hard about that.

Or just think.

All these multiple scenarios boil down to
"People on the internets will make fun of me if they see this."


When you have the kind of mentality the allows for that sort of reasoning. Nothing will fix that. I mean people speak of facebook but no one talks about the festering cesspool of drama that springs from Facebook.
This community has enough drama as it is.. it doesn't need anymore.

[xaxazak]

Цитата допису Spambot71 (main character):

Wait, so you are fine being judged for hiding your playtime but not fine with being judged for what your playtime was?

Yes.

Because the judging based on what my playtime was was erroneous. I've only once IIRC had someone mention my private profile in an argument, so it's been a vast improvement.

Цитата допису Start_Running:

Anyone who'd make fun of you for for having some games or some play tiome or whatever would make fun of you for hiding your gamnes list and hours regardless.

For me, that has not been the case.