Home console, new Steam Controller and promotion of gyro aiming.

[FOXDUDE69]

Hello fellow Steam users.

Now that Valve is a console manufacturer, I think it's a great idea if they were to start working on a home console.

The Deck is a nice handheld console but the size, weight and battery life are all far from ideal for what I'd need/want/desire from a handheld console.
I'm waiting for a revision 2, that I believe will eventually come if Valve doesn't drop the Deck, pun intended.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't mind trading off that screen for an increase in graphical power and better thermals, My Steam library is of absurdly large nowadays and I would be very convenient to have a Steam console in my living room hooked to my 75" TV.

This could also be a great opportunity for a Steam Controller 2.0, dropping the track pads and promoting gyro aiming, which has already been standardized on the Nintendo Switch.
Valve could perhaps launch a new episode in the Half-Life series with native gyro support and partner with developers like Bethesda to promote native gyro support in the world of PC gaming by implementing native support in their titles on Steam the same way they've already done on the Switch.

HD rumble and Haptic feedback is also something that's lacking in the world of PC gaming due to the fact that the Xbox controller is still the "standard" PC controller (the Xbox controller is also the only console controller that still doesn't have gyro).

Haptic feedback or HD rumble (whatever you wanna call it) is something else a new Steam controller could promote in the world of PC gaming as it adds a new layer of fun and/or immersion to gaming as gamers with a PS5 or Switch will surely tell you.
It can even impact gameplay. A known example is of how lockpicking in Skyrim on PC is mostly guesswork, while on Switch, the HD rumble acts as a gameplay element in these sections, allowing you to pick the lock in a much more intuitive and immersing way.

There's a lot of good a Steam Home console and a new Steam controller could do for PC gaming.

[Gwarsbane]

Początkowo opublikowane przez FOXDUDE69:

You do not understand the word console.

Valve themselves have said the Steam Deck is a PC.

https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck

Once you've logged into Steam Deck, your entire Steam Library shows up, just like any other PC.

Do I need a Steam account to use Steam Deck?
The default Steam Deck experience requires a Steam account (it's free!). Games are purchased and downloaded using the Steam Store. That said, Steam Deck is a PC so you can install third party software and operating systems.

So yes the deck is a PC, its a hand held portable PC. Its more akin to a laptop than a decktop but its still a PC.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

And as said. What'd be the point of them entering that space. If you want a STeam COnsole so bad just buy a MIniAtx from any store, install STeam OS, and slap a sticker with the Steam Logo on it. Bam you have your STeam COnsole.

^^^^This^^^^

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez KittenGrindr:

We do.

That's why we are saying the Deck is not a console.

It's fair to say that the word console itself has basically no meaning anymore. EVer since th Xbox consoles have more or less been stripped down PCs with specialized OSes.

The differences between PC's and consoles has become pedantic to the extreme at this point.
As I said. How is just buy or building a mini, or even micro atx rig , slapping a steam sticker and the installing the STeam OS any different from a console?

I mean I know fox won't be able to answer for a while, but the question is a general one.
What would be the difference. Heck even the original steam machines program was less about VALVE making the machines as it was about Valve merelye providing the OS and the spec guidelines to other manufacturers (EVGA< DEll, MSI, etc and allowing them to build and sell them as such.

Consoles are more than a different OS. They are a different BIOS, usually a custom OS, locked down user control, etc.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez KittenGrindr:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

It's fair to say that the word console itself has basically no meaning anymore. EVer since th Xbox consoles have more or less been stripped down PCs with specialized OSes.

The differences between PC's and consoles has become pedantic to the extreme at this point.
As I said. How is just buy or building a mini, or even micro atx rig , slapping a steam sticker and the installing the STeam OS any different from a console?

I mean I know fox won't be able to answer for a while, but the question is a general one.
What would be the difference. Heck even the original steam machines program was less about VALVE making the machines as it was about Valve merelye providing the OS and the spec guidelines to other manufacturers (EVGA< DEll, MSI, etc and allowing them to build and sell them as such.

Consoles are more than a different OS. They are a different BIOS, usually a custom OS, locked down user control, etc.

Well remember what i said about them being stripped down. Yeah the bios and all of that is a reflection of that. Standard Bioses in PCs are built to accomodate and interface with a myriad of components. In a console.. they have a much smaller list of FIXED components so the Bioses are in themselves much slimmer

For sopmething like a switch and PS console it's a little more specific but for the Xbox line there isn't much functional difference.

And you have to remmeber PC's can be just as locked down as Consoles.. if they are configured that way.

But I will say that consoles are designed chiefly around being proprietary. PC's in general (noit counting apple's stuff) are build against that.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

Początkowo opublikowane przez KittenGrindr:

Consoles are more than a different OS. They are a different BIOS, usually a custom OS, locked down user control, etc.

Well remember what i said about them being stripped down. Yeah the bios and all of that is a reflection of that. Standard Bioses in PCs are built to accomodate and interface with a myriad of components. In a console.. they have a much smaller list of FIXED components so the Bioses are in themselves much slimmer

For sopmething like a switch and PS console it's a little more specific but for the Xbox line there isn't much functional difference.

And you have to remmeber PC's can be just as locked down as Consoles.. if they are configured that way.

But I will say that consoles are designed chiefly around being proprietary. PC's in general (noit counting apple's stuff) are build against that.

All of those differences are what make them completely different.

It isn't pedantic to say consoles and PCs are fairly distinct and different products.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez KittenGrindr:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

Well remember what i said about them being stripped down. Yeah the bios and all of that is a reflection of that. Standard Bioses in PCs are built to accomodate and interface with a myriad of components. In a console.. they have a much smaller list of FIXED components so the Bioses are in themselves much slimmer

For sopmething like a switch and PS console it's a little more specific but for the Xbox line there isn't much functional difference.

And you have to remmeber PC's can be just as locked down as Consoles.. if they are configured that way.

But I will say that consoles are designed chiefly around being proprietary. PC's in general (noit counting apple's stuff) are build against that.

All of those differences are what make them completely different.

It isn't pedantic to say consoles and PCs are fairly distinct and different products.

They are but that distinctness is growing less so with each passing generation. I imagine in a couple more gens it will be down to just the OS.

[Aachen]

If they were looking to expand their hardware offerings, I’d prefer a system less locked-down than is typical for consoles.

They’d be better-served (though likely not well-served) to develop something more akin to a general-purpose computer.

[Start_Running]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Aachen:

If they were looking to expand their hardware offerings, I’d prefer a system less locked-down than is typical for consoles.

They’d be better-served (though likely not well-served) to develop something more akin to a general-purpose computer.

You mean.. a PC/Laptop?
Why reinvent something taht others have been making for literal decades, others which have the supply and manufacturing pipeline to operate at scale.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

Początkowo opublikowane przez KittenGrindr:

All of those differences are what make them completely different.

It isn't pedantic to say consoles and PCs are fairly distinct and different products.

They are but that distinctness is growing less so with each passing generation. I imagine in a couple more gens it will be down to just the OS.

It won't because the point of consoles is to lock you into and ecosystem. If it came just down to OS, emulation would explode and become an actual threat.

[Aachen]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Start_Running:

You mean.. a PC/Laptop?
Why reinvent something taht others have been making for literal decades, others which have the supply and manufacturing pipeline to operate at scale.

.... hence “likely not well-served.”