Home console, new Steam Controller and promotion of gyro aiming.

[FOXDUDE69]

Hello fellow Steam users.

Now that Valve is a console manufacturer, I think it's a great idea if they were to start working on a home console.

The Deck is a nice handheld console but the size, weight and battery life are all far from ideal for what I'd need/want/desire from a handheld console.
I'm waiting for a revision 2, that I believe will eventually come if Valve doesn't drop the Deck, pun intended.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't mind trading off that screen for an increase in graphical power and better thermals, My Steam library is of absurdly large nowadays and I would be very convenient to have a Steam console in my living room hooked to my 75" TV.

This could also be a great opportunity for a Steam Controller 2.0, dropping the track pads and promoting gyro aiming, which has already been standardized on the Nintendo Switch.
Valve could perhaps launch a new episode in the Half-Life series with native gyro support and partner with developers like Bethesda to promote native gyro support in the world of PC gaming by implementing native support in their titles on Steam the same way they've already done on the Switch.

HD rumble and Haptic feedback is also something that's lacking in the world of PC gaming due to the fact that the Xbox controller is still the "standard" PC controller (the Xbox controller is also the only console controller that still doesn't have gyro).

Haptic feedback or HD rumble (whatever you wanna call it) is something else a new Steam controller could promote in the world of PC gaming as it adds a new layer of fun and/or immersion to gaming as gamers with a PS5 or Switch will surely tell you.
It can even impact gameplay. A known example is of how lockpicking in Skyrim on PC is mostly guesswork, while on Switch, the HD rumble acts as a gameplay element in these sections, allowing you to pick the lock in a much more intuitive and immersing way.

There's a lot of good a Steam Home console and a new Steam controller could do for PC gaming.

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

The two cavemen are having a discussion yet the irony is you want your suggestions and opinions affirming while trying to shut down conversation on "discussion forums".

You use the word irony a lot yet you do not understand what it means.
You are also obsessed with affirmation as you bring it up constantly in almost every thread with a multitude of people.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Irrelevant would be not affirming your suggestion

In any case, it's good that you turned around affirmed my suggestion, whatever that means.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Caveman one: What are you doing?
Caveman two: I'm trying to make fire.
Caveman one: You've tried, you failed, only way to get fire is wait for lightning to hit tree.
Cavemen two: I think maybe if I use different stone.
Caveman one: It doesn't work, we eat mammoth RAW.

Thank god that caveman two didn't have Steam forum mentality.

The difference is valve realized the reason the steam machine failed. There was no demand for it and they were competing with a heavily saturated market.

The steam deck was just an overpriced PC with Steam OS.

Soon anyone can take any PC, install steam OS and boom it's a "console" by your definition. Most users didn't want steam OS , they already had s far more functional Pc capable of playing all their steam games.

Your suggestion is more like constantly trying to sell beef hamburgers in India and ignoring why it's previously failed.

[Start_Running]

A Home console for Steam?
Isn't that just called a PC?

Everything you've mentyioned about this hypothetical console is.. well.. already something you can do with a PC. Just build yourself, or buy a mini tower set up, install STeamOS or some other linux build and boom.

ANother Steam COntroller would be nice but me thinks there are some partent issues at play there that prvent them.

Originally posted by brian9824:

The difference is valve realized the reason the steam machine failed. There was no demand for it and they were competing with a heavily saturated market.

Yup, and I think it was around that time tghat GPU prices were starting to climb thanks to miners.

IAnd again, it's really just a blooming PC running a linux OS. Anyone who wanted one, could build one, or turn an existing system into one.

Originally posted by brian9824:

The steam deck was just an overpriced PC with Steam OS.

That you can fit in your pocket more or less.

Originally posted by brian9824:

Soon anyone can take any PC, install steam OS and boom it's a "console" by your definition. Most users didn't want steam OS , they already had s far more functional Pc capable of playing all their steam games.

They can literally already do this. WHich is rather fittting since consoles these days are basically just PC's I mean XBox its literally just a stripped down windows PC.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

You're not here to discuss, though. You're here just to provoke people, that's why I told you to act like an adult.

And the irony is you do not see your ad-hominem nor FD's as provoking.

[Nx Machina]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

You use the word irony a lot yet you do not understand what it means.
You are also obsessed with affirmation as you bring it up constantly in almost every thread with a multitude of people.

I obviously do understand the use of the word "irony".

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Either way, these are discussion forums, not affirmation forums, I'm not required to agree with your posts.

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

In any case, it's good that you turned around affirmed my suggestion, whatever that means.

Again feel free to post the actual quote showing i affirmed your suggestion.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

A Home console for Steam?
Isn't that just called a PC?

Everything you've mentyioned about this hypothetical console is.. well.. already something you can do with a PC. Just build yourself, or buy a mini tower set up, install STeamOS or some other linux build and boom.

ANother Steam COntroller would be nice but me thinks there are some partent issues at play there that prvent them.

Originally posted by brian9824:

The difference is valve realized the reason the steam machine failed. There was no demand for it and they were competing with a heavily saturated market.

Yup, and I think it was around that time tghat GPU prices were starting to climb thanks to miners.

IAnd again, it's really just a blooming PC running a linux OS. Anyone who wanted one, could build one, or turn an existing system into one.

Originally posted by brian9824:

The steam deck was just an overpriced PC with Steam OS.

That you can fit in your pocket more or less.

Originally posted by brian9824:

Soon anyone can take any PC, install steam OS and boom it's a "console" by your definition. Most users didn't want steam OS , they already had s far more functional Pc capable of playing all their steam games.

They can literally already do this. WHich is rather fittting since consoles these days are basically just PC's I mean XBox its literally just a stripped down windows PC.

Ack keep saying steam deck when i meant Steam Machine. But yeah the Steam machine is just any PC with Steam OS installed on it by default. No one was interested because they can take any PC they want with any configuiration they want and do it themselves easily. No reason to pay valve a premium for it and was no market for it.

Unlike the Steam deck of which there are very few options like it out there on the market.

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

You're not here to discuss, though. You're here just to provoke people, that's why I told you to act like an adult.

And the irony is you do not see your ad-hominem nor FD's as provoking.

If you consider what I said an ad-hominem or provoking, then you should apologize for what you go around writing about me (and others) on a regular basis.

Even on threads where I've completely ignored you, you had no qualms attacking my character instead of debating the topic.

This is the last reply you'll get on this thread, as I don't want it to get locked, like all the other threads you derail with your nonsense.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

I obviously do understand the use of the word "irony".

The ability to say you understand a word, does not mean you actually understand it.
A parrot could also say he understands the word but will still lack the intelligence the really understand it.

I've seen you use that word extremely often when being combative and attacking your fellow users, and every time you use it, you prove to everyone you do not understand what irony means.

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Irrelevant would be not affirming your suggestion

Either way, you already said it would be irrelevant to not affirm my suggestion, which means you affirm it, and according to what you say about me (and others), that's all I (we) care about.
So thank you for affirming the suggestion, whatever that means.

[Gwarsbane]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Hello fellow Steam users.

Now that Valve is a console manufacturer, I think it's a great idea if they were to start working on a home console.

The Deck is a nice handheld console but the size, weight and battery life are all far from ideal for what I'd need/want/desire from a handheld console.
I'm waiting for a revision 2, that I believe will eventually come if Valve doesn't drop the Deck, pun intended.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't mind trading off that screen for an increase in graphical power and better thermals, My Steam library is of absurdly large nowadays and I would be very convenient to have a Steam console in my living room hooked to my 75" TV.

This could also be a great opportunity for a Steam Controller 2.0, dropping the track pads and promoting gyro aiming, which has already been standardized on the Nintendo Switch.
Valve could perhaps launch a new episode in the Half-Life series with native gyro support and partner with developers like Bethesda to promote native gyro support in the world of PC gaming by implementing native support in their titles on Steam the same way they've already done on the Switch.

HD rumble and Haptic feedback is also something that's lacking in the world of PC gaming due to the fact that the Xbox controller is still the "standard" PC controller (the Xbox controller is also the only console controller that still doesn't have gyro).

Haptic feedback or HD rumble (whatever you wanna call it) is something else a new Steam controller could promote in the world of PC gaming as it adds a new layer of fun and/or immersion to gaming as gamers with a PS5 or Switch will surely tell you.
It can even impact gameplay. A known example is of how lockpicking in Skyrim on PC is mostly guesswork, while on Switch, the HD rumble acts as a gameplay element in these sections, allowing you to pick the lock in a much more intuitive and immersing way.

There's a lot of good a Steam Home console and a new Steam controller could do for PC gaming.

Steam Machines, which were just PCs were over priced and under powered. Valve can't make enough money making a "console" to make sense. Even the Deck almost doesn't make a profit but at least its in an area that makes sense.

There are some places that will put a PC together at the cost of the pieces with only a 75 dollar up charge and the cost of shipping. The main problem with places like this is the shipping of the PC. They have a higher than average chance of ending up damaged while in transit just because of their weight and fragility so if Valve has to do anything after word they can kiss any profit goodbye. This is why they went with 3rd party PC makers and why they were over priced and under powered.

You can go and make a PC yourself for cheaper than it would be from most of these places. You can then go and download the Steam OS and make your own console. You should check out Linus Tech Tips, Jayz2cents and other hardware reviewers on youtube, they show you how to make super expensive but very small PCs that can do exactly what you want. Or if you have the room, just build a much physically bigger PC for cheaper. Heck I just watched Linus stuff 2 PCs into a small form factor case with lots of water cooling, its kind of insane.

There is zero reason for Valve to make their own console. Again at least the hand held made some sense, because there was very few PC based ones out there and the ones that are out there before the Deck were expensive and under powered. Heck even the Deck is under powered for many top games.




As for controller V2, don't count on that happening any time soon if they are even interested in the first place. The first one was removed because of a lawsuit, which they lost. Its being appealed right now, but it could take a long time to make it fully through the courts one way or another so till then, they won't make something like that.

The back buttons/paddles were a very popular thing on the controllers. Telling them drop them will just make the controller like 90% of all the other controllers that are out there.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Valve isn't a console manufacturer considering the Deck is a handheld PC.

SteamOS doesn't make something a console. Considering with a few button presses, you can exist SteamOS and literally use it like a Linux computer.

You can even completely remove SteamOS and install any OS on it outside of MacOS.

So, in short, they are not a console manufacturer.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Nx Machina:

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

You're not here to discuss, though. You're here just to provoke people, that's why I told you to act like an adult.

And the irony is you do not see your ad-hominem nor FD's as provoking.

They're both trying to bait you to farm reports.

They do this in any thread they post in together. Just let the mods take care of it.

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Valve isn't a console manufacturer considering the Deck is a handheld PC.

SteamOS doesn't make something a console. Considering with a few button presses, you can exist SteamOS and literally use it like a Linux computer.

You can even completely remove SteamOS and install any OS on it outside of MacOS.

So, in short, they are not a console manufacturer.

Even if you don't want to call the Steam Deck a console (which it is but suit yourself), that still doesn't change the fact that Valve is a hardware manufacturer.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Valve isn't a console manufacturer considering the Deck is a handheld PC.

SteamOS doesn't make something a console. Considering with a few button presses, you can exist SteamOS and literally use it like a Linux computer.

You can even completely remove SteamOS and install any OS on it outside of MacOS.

So, in short, they are not a console manufacturer.

Even if you don't want to call the Steam Deck a console (which it is but suit yourself), that still doesn't change the fact that Valve is a hardware manufacturer.

Yeah. The STeam Deck is no more a console, than any PC/Laptop is. And AnyPC can be converted into a Steam COnsole by just instally the freely available Steam OS,

And as said. What'd be the point of them entering that space. If you want a STeam COnsole so bad just buy a MIniAtx from any store, install STeam OS, and slap a sticker with the Steam Logo on it. Bam you have your STeam COnsole.

[FOXDUDE69]

You do not understand the word console.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

You do not understand the word console.

We do.

That's why we are saying the Deck is not a console.

[Start_Running]

Originally posted by KittenGrindr:

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

You do not understand the word console.

We do.

That's why we are saying the Deck is not a console.

It's fair to say that the word console itself has basically no meaning anymore. EVer since th Xbox consoles have more or less been stripped down PCs with specialized OSes.

The differences between PC's and consoles has become pedantic to the extreme at this point.
As I said. How is just buy or building a mini, or even micro atx rig , slapping a steam sticker and the installing the STeam OS any different from a console?

I mean I know fox won't be able to answer for a while, but the question is a general one.
What would be the difference. Heck even the original steam machines program was less about VALVE making the machines as it was about Valve merelye providing the OS and the spec guidelines to other manufacturers (EVGA< DEll, MSI, etc and allowing them to build and sell them as such.