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Starcleaver 2022. okt. 6., 21:40
New login UI, "Remember me", and saving only usernames (NOT passwords)
Come on Valve. I don't want to save my password. I never save passwords. I am willing to let it remember an account name. But, unlike the previous login UI, I can't save just my username, with the new one?

My only option with the new one is, "Remember me" which is username AND password; basically an autologin when I launch Steam. I really don't want that.

If I uncheck that, it doesn't remember username/password, OR the fact that I unchecked "Remember me", meaning that the next time around I would always be typing username, password, AND unchecking the "Remember me" option. Every time.

Come on guys, this is hardly necessary. I know it may sound ridiculous to some, but it's not at all unreasonable to expect that sort of functionality, when the previous login UI's (and lots of others) did the same. Please Valve, can that functionality be patched onto the new login UI?

Again, to be clear, I should be able to commit it to remember username only, and not password, and it should not force me to uncheck "Remember me" every single time I login.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Starcleaver; 2022. okt. 6., 21:59
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gparty 2022. okt. 7., 7:30 
You can use -noreactlogin launch parameter for the old login UI

But is it useful? On own PC it's safe to autologin - and on untrusted devices better to not remember any data, or not login there at all.
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RiO 2022. okt. 7., 7:50 
gparty eredeti hozzászólása:
But is it useful? On own PC it's safe to autologin

Consider a shared family PC where one of the parent(s) has a Steam account and the kids have subsidiary accounts.
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isomorphic_projection 2022. okt. 7., 9:15 
The new UI has multiple weaknesses. I suggest valve a roleback and quick.
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Zombie 2022. okt. 7., 9:31 
In my opinion the log in interface is a joke and I hate it. There was nothing wrong with the old log in interface. If steam wants to add in a auto login then they could have easily added a option in the account settings for that. Just enter the ID and password save it and next time steam opens it will auto login. Now it is more inconvenient then it has been in many many years. This new log in is a HUGE step backwards.
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isomorphic_projection 2022. okt. 7., 9:46 
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
In my opinion the log in interface is a joke and I hate it. There was nothing wrong with the old log in interface. If steam wants to add in a auto login then they could have easily added a option in the account settings for that. Just enter the ID and password save it and next time steam opens it will auto login. Now it is more inconvenient then it has been in many many years. This new log in is a HUGE step backwards.
The first launcher, needed for CS.1.6 and DoD the green one. Was way better then this one.
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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2022. okt. 7., 10:24 
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
In my opinion the log in interface is a joke and I hate it. There was nothing wrong with the old log in interface.
Maybe they wanted to make it look more modem, or just want to change it. The new change for QR login is welcome for easier on those that hate typing at all.

Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
If steam wants to add in a auto login then they could have easily added a option in the account settings for that. Just enter the ID and password save it and next time steam opens it will auto login. .
Uhh auto login been around over a decade, that point of the "remember me"

Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
Now it is more inconvenient then it has been in many many years. This new log in is a HUGE step backwards.
Before:
Username > password > Remember me <--- Auto login.

After:
Username > password > Remember me <--- Auto login.
Added: Option QR login, no tpying at all.

https://imgur.com/ISn6Ate

isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:
The new UI has multiple weaknesses. I suggest valve a roleback and quick.
Are you refering to QR login?
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RiO 2022. okt. 7., 10:32 
Zombie eredeti hozzászólása:
There was nothing wrong with the old log in interface.
It was still written in VGUI. Valve's homegrown user interface programming library, which is universally recognized and loathed as an enormous pain in the rear and a genuine PoS; extending even to Valve's own developers who don't want to work with it anymore.

They've made it their goal to slowly supplant every nook and cranny of the client UI with web views. Because those are somehow easier to work with.

Well; they are in a sense. HTML and CSS make building appealing UI structures a whole lot easier than VGUI; and modern reactive programming JS libraries are a lot better at adding the necessary bits and bobs of interaction.

Buuu----t... the problem is web views are an absolute performance hog; and both using them correctly to minimize that performance impact; and integrating them correctly in a way that you don't violate sandbox protections, etc. is extremely hard. Modern browser engines are literally more complicated pieces of machinery than most parts of the actual operating system.

The thing is: the complexities it adds are mostly hidden from the developers as long as they remain with their heads willfully stuck in the sand and ignore the performance and stability problems they foist on their end-users...
Legutóbb szerkesztette: RiO; 2022. okt. 7., 10:34
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RiO 2022. okt. 7., 10:50 
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:
Uhh auto login been around over a decade, that point of the "remember me"
No. The old login experience had a differently labeled "Remember my password" option.
It simply always remembered your user name and your SteamGuard email 2FA token, unless you went to Steam -> Settings -> Account and checked the "Don't save account credentials on this computer" option.

Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:
Before:
Username > password > Remember me <--- Auto login.

After:
Username > password > Remember me <--- Auto login.
Added: Option QR login, no tpying at all.

Wonderful. And now the flow without auto-login and without the app:

Before:
  1. (Username is remembered)
  2. Enter password
  3. ( "Remember my password" remains disabled)
  4. Click login button
  5. (2FA token is remembered with a 30 day sliding window, i.e. practically never expires unless you stop actively using the machine in question)
  6. You're logged into Steam and can start playing your games!
Done!

After:
  1. Enter username
  2. Enter password
  3. Disable "Remember me"
  4. Click login button
  5. New 2FA email token needed
  6. Open web browser
  7. Open email provider application
  8. Log in to email provider
  9. Wait for email to arrive
  10. Open email
  11. Read code
  12. ALT-TAB back to Steam sign-in.
  13. Facepalm at Valve's incompetence because they don't correctly set keyboard focus
  14. Resort to using the mouse again
  15. Type code into Steam sign-in.
  16. Pray you didn't make any accidental mistake because there is no backspace and the code auto-confirms (or kicks you out if you entered it wrong)
  17. Meanwhile, log out of email.
  18. Be very surprised that while Steam is starting it pops up another sign-in window back in the blank state and again with always-on-top properties, covering your web browser.
  19. Pray you don't accidentally interact with that window appearing just as you were about to hit the log out button on your email and screw something up.
  20. Err on the side of caution and wait until Steam is done doing whatever the hell it decided on doing with that duplicate window and the main client window finally appears.
  21. Go back to web browser
  22. Finish logging out of email if you hadn't before
  23. Close web browser
  24. Go back to Steam
  25. You're logged into Steam and can start playing your games!
<robin-williams>What year is it?!</robin-williams>
Legutóbb szerkesztette: RiO; 2022. okt. 7., 11:25
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isomorphic_projection 2022. okt. 7., 11:15 
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:
isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:
The new UI has multiple weaknesses. I suggest valve a roleback and quick.
Are you refering to QR login?

Which one i do not know about one. I don't even own a smartphone. I was referring that it looks like that if steam goes offline, you won't even be able to play singleplay games. This is gonna be valve's downfall.
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Yzal 2022. okt. 7., 11:22 
isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

Are you refering to QR login?

Which one i do not know about one. I don't even own a smartphone. I was referring that it looks like that if steam goes offline, you won't even be able to play singleplay games. This is gonna be valve's downfall.
Could you stop spreading misinformation please? if you try to log in without internet conection in brings the "start offline" option, both with and without it remembering password/ username.
it literally took me 30 seconds to test it.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Yzal; 2022. okt. 7., 11:28
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RiO 2022. okt. 7., 11:24 
isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

Are you refering to QR login?

Which one i do not know about one. I don't even own a smartphone. I was referring that it looks like that if steam goes offline, you won't even be able to play singleplay games. This is gonna be valve's downfall.

Apparently if you chose to allow to have your credentials stored, then if you try to log in and you cannot reach Steam's servers, the Steam client pops up a new window to inform you and asks you if you'd like to log in offline instead.

Not sure how this works if you have "Don't save account credentials on this computer" enabled. But iirc it prevented offline mode from working under the old system as well.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: RiO; 2022. okt. 7., 11:25
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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2022. okt. 7., 11:26 
RiO eredeti hozzászólása:
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:
Uhh auto login been around over a decade, that point of the "remember me"
No. The old login experience had a differently labeled "Remember my password" option.
It simply always remembered your user name and your SteamGuard email 2FA token, unless you went to Steam -> Settings -> Account and checked the "Don't save account credentials on this computer" option.
Both worked the same for auto login in the end.

RiO eredeti hozzászólása:
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:
Before:
Username > password > Remember me <--- Auto login.

After:
Username > password > Remember me <--- Auto login.
Added: Option QR login, no tpying at all.

Wonderful. And now the flow without auto-login and without the app:

Before:
  1. (Username is remembered)
  2. Enter password
  3. ( "Remember my password" remains disabled)
  4. Click login button
  5. (2FA token is remembered with a 30 day sliding window, i.e. practically never expires unless you stop actively using the machine in question)
  6. You're logged into Steam and can start playing your games!
Done!

After:
  1. Enter username
  2. Enter password
  3. Disable "Remember me"
  4. Click login button
  5. New 2FA email token needed
  6. Open web browser
  7. Open email provider application
  8. Log in to email provider
  9. Wait for email to arrive
  10. Open email
  11. Read code
  12. ALT-TAB back to Steam sign-in.
  13. Facepalm at Valve's incompetence because they don't correctly set keyboard focus
  14. Resort to using the mouse again
  15. Type code into Steam sign-in.
  16. Pray you didn't make any accidental mistake because there is no backspace and the code auto-confirms (or kicks you out if you entered it wrong)
  17. Meanwhile, log out of email.
  18. Be very surprised that while Steam is starting it pops up another sign-in window back in the blank state and again with always-on-top properties, covering your web browser.
  19. Pray you don't accidentally interact with that window appearing just as you were about to hit the log out button on your email and screw something up.
  20. Err on the side of caution and wait until Steam is done doing whatever the hell it decided on doing.
  21. Go back to web browser
  22. Finish logging out of email if you hadn't before
  23. Close web browser
  24. Go back to Steam
  25. You're logged into Steam and can start playing your games!
<robin-williams>What year is it?!</robin-williams>
Adding extra steps also apply to before as well, since you slap on steps to doing email 2FA.

Before, and after has barely changed, except for storing your login name, and added QR support for not having to type anything basically just open app on phone, scan, and confirm that was whole process with QR.


isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:
Dr.Shadowds 🐉 eredeti hozzászólása:

Are you refering to QR login?

Which one i do not know about one. I don't even own a smartphone. I was referring that it looks like that if steam goes offline, you won't even be able to play singleplay games. This is gonna be valve's downfall.
Yeah check the box "remember me" when login, and when lose internet for whatever reason, you have option to simply go offline mode.
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isomorphic_projection 2022. okt. 7., 11:42 
Lazy Dog eredeti hozzászólása:
isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:

Which one i do not know about one. I don't even own a smartphone. I was referring that it looks like that if steam goes offline, you won't even be able to play singleplay games. This is gonna be valve's downfall.
Could you stop spreading misinformation please? if you try to log in without internet conection in brings the "start offline" option, both with and without it remembering password/ username.
it literally took me 30 seconds to test it.
It's not misinformation, misinformation is what valve gave us as an explanation. Next time, i expect it in Dutch, or more clearly in English.
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Dr.Shadowds 🐉 2022. okt. 7., 11:52 
isomorphic_projection eredeti hozzászólása:
Lazy Dog eredeti hozzászólása:
Could you stop spreading misinformation please? if you try to log in without internet conection in brings the "start offline" option, both with and without it remembering password/ username.
it literally took me 30 seconds to test it.
It's not misinformation, misinformation is what valve gave us as an explanation. Next time, i expect it in Dutch, or more clearly in English.
https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/0E18-319B-E34B-B2C8

Ensure when login you have "remember me" box checked.
Ensure you didn't enable "Don’t save account credentials on this computer" via Steam settings, this setting meant you want to remove login credentials when you shutdown/restart the app.

When have no internet connection, and you launch Steam you get a box asking if want to retry, or start in offline mode, which means your saved login session have "remember me" is used to give access to offline mode.
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gparty 2022. okt. 7., 12:17 
RiO eredeti hozzászólása:
  1. Resort to using the mouse again
  2. Type code into Steam sign-in.
using mouse... I tried rightclick to paste the copied code - but it doesn't work with that new UI.
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