Give Valve the authority to manually ban cheaters for ALL games

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Please consider creating an Anti Cheat Department on steam. To put it short, overwatch from cs go, but for all multiplayer games.

Make it optional for games to participate in that system.

This Anti Cheat Department would only ban very obvious cases. Let players record a short 15 seconds video proof, and send it to the Anti Cheat Department. Valve will then eventually issue a ban.

Again, I'm only referring to very blatant rage aimbot cheats, where there's no chance of issuing a false ban.

A lot of cheaters feel untouchable. This needs to end.

[Crazy Tiger]

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Not their job to manage someone else games. If they're not using VAC, they're not gonna do anything.

Call of Duty has VAC.

And any detectable cheats will be banned. Though it does require that the game developer actively delivers information on cheats.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat/vac_integration

An active developer looking for cheats
VAC only attempts to detect cheats reported by the developer. Valve does not actively seek out cheats either automatically or through manual digging. Please report cheats by using the ICheatReportingService/ReportCheatData Web API and with a notification to [e-mail] so that we can characterize them and include them in our cheat detection.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

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Not their job to manage someone else games. If they're not using VAC, they're not gonna do anything.

Call of Duty has VAC.

And Anti cheat VAC system will VAC ban people for using cheats. That how it works.

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Call of Duty has VAC.

And any detectable cheats will be banned. Though it does require that the game developer actively delivers information on cheats.

https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/features/anticheat/vac_integration

An active developer looking for cheats
VAC only attempts to detect cheats reported by the developer. Valve does not actively seek out cheats either automatically or through manual digging. Please report cheats by using the ICheatReportingService/ReportCheatData Web API and with a notification to [e-mail] so that we can characterize them and include them in our cheat detection.

^This.

[[?]legit]

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Call of Duty has VAC.

Then nothing Steam needs to do. VAC will ban cheaters as it catches. If they want an overwatch style system to supplement it Activision has more then enough money to pay for it and set it up.

VAC doesn't catch anything in BO3 though, people use free, public accessible cheats since years. They have been reported dozens of times, nothing happened. It's time for a change.

[Brian9824]

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Then nothing Steam needs to do. VAC will ban cheaters as it catches. If they want an overwatch style system to supplement it Activision has more then enough money to pay for it and set it up.

VAC doesn't catch anything in BO3 though, people use free, public accessible cheats since years. They have been reported dozens of times, nothing happened. It's time for a change.

As pointed out thats the fault of the developer.....

[[?]legit]

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VAC doesn't catch anything in BO3 though, people use free, public accessible cheats since years. They have been reported dozens of times, nothing happened. It's time for a change.

As pointed out thats the fault of the developer.....

I (and many other gamers probably as well) couldn't care less whose fault it is, or who would be responsible in the first place. There is not a single reason why Valve couldn't ban the cheaters, and make steam a better place.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Then nothing Steam needs to do. VAC will ban cheaters as it catches. If they want an overwatch style system to supplement it Activision has more then enough money to pay for it and set it up.

VAC doesn't catch anything in BO3 though, people use free, public accessible cheats since years. They have been reported dozens of times, nothing happened. It's time for a change.

Did you not read the explanation that developer has to report new cheats they find to update VAC for their game?

[Boblin the Goblin]

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As pointed out thats the fault of the developer.....

I (and many other gamers probably as well) couldn't care less whose fault it is, or who would be responsible in the first place. There is not a single reason why Valve couldn't ban the cheaters, and make steam a better place.

There is a reason;

The developer agreed to update the VAC with new cheats to keep VAC up to date for their game. Valve is not their babysitter.

[Crazy Tiger]

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As pointed out thats the fault of the developer.....

I (and many other gamers probably as well) couldn't care less whose fault it is, or who would be responsible in the first place. There is not a single reason why Valve couldn't ban the cheaters, and make steam a better place.

There are many reasons on why Valve wouldn't want to take that responsibility, a few being related to manpower, costs and "it being worth it". And of course it's easy to say that there is "no reason" when you're not the one who has to pay for it all.

You can dismiss such things all you want, but merely trying to make it Valves problem doesn't actually make it their problem.

Game developers are the ones who are responsible for their game. It's merely logical that there comes a point that they don't consider it worth it anymore to police their games. Especially when that developer is related to Activision, who very much want everybody to be on the newest CoD.

[Brian9824]

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As pointed out thats the fault of the developer.....

I (and many other gamers probably as well) couldn't care less whose fault it is, or who would be responsible in the first place. There is not a single reason why Valve couldn't ban the cheaters, and make steam a better place.

Umm the vast amount of money they would have to spend on someone elses game would be one. Again, by your logic ANY company could do this including pepsi, Nike, Epic, Microsoft, etc.

Here's an idea, how about you ask ACTIVISION, which makes BILLIONS in profit to do it for their own games?

[Boblin the Goblin]

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I (and many other gamers probably as well) couldn't care less whose fault it is, or who would be responsible in the first place. There is not a single reason why Valve couldn't ban the cheaters, and make steam a better place.

Umm the vast amount of money they would have to spend on someone elses game would be one. Again, by your logic ANY company could do this including pepsi, Nike, Epic, Microsoft, etc.

Here's an idea, how about you ask ACTIVISION, which makes BILLIONS in profit to do it for their own games?

Judging by the friends of OP, I'm starting to doubt this conversation is going to go on in good faith. Luckily, those friends can't join in to muddy it even more.


The idea that Valve should monitor or invest resources in monitoring games they do not own or make is complete nonsense. Especially for games that have been abandoned by the devs.

Steam is a distribution platform, not a gaming platform.

[[?]legit]

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Here's an idea, how about you ask ACTIVISION, which makes BILLIONS in profit to do it for their own games?

Many have tried, none have succeeded.

Activision abondons older cod games on purpose, so that people buy the newer releases. It is how it is now, ponting with your fingers on other parties, who allegedly have the responsibility doesn't help anyone. And neither would it hurt anyone of you guys if steam took the extra mile and did something for older games.

I'm still amazed how toxic a few people here are. I guess it's easy to mock and trash talk if you're not affected. And I hope you'll never complain if you should ever run into a cheater.

[Brian9824]

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I'm still amazed how toxic a few people here are. I guess it's easy to mock and trash talk if you're not affected. And I hope you'll never complain if you should ever run into a cheater.

Pointing out that suggesting that a company pays for another companies anti cheat isn't toxic. Its called poking a hole in a flimsy idea

[Mad Scientist]

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I'm still amazed how toxic a few people here are. I guess it's easy to mock and trash talk if you're not affected. And I hope you'll never complain if you should ever run into a cheater.

I play on servers with active admins and even scripts that look for and automatically ban users for cheating or having a ban.

How many people do you suggest adding, how much do they get paid hourly, and how many hours a day do you presume they work for? Then, who pays the bill for each game; the dev? the consumer? Does the games cost go up to offset it or does valve cuts get bigger?

This doesn't seem well thought out of a suggestion.

[Brian9824]

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I'm still amazed how toxic a few people here are. I guess it's easy to mock and trash talk if you're not affected. And I hope you'll never complain if you should ever run into a cheater.

I play on servers with active admins and even scripts that look for and automatically ban users for cheating or having a ban.

How many people do you suggest adding, how much do they get paid hourly, and how many hours a day do you presume they work for? Then, who pays the bill for each game; the dev? the consumer? Does the games cost go up to offset it or does valve cuts get bigger?

This doesn't seem well thought out of a suggestion.

Yep, valve has to spend their money, get all the bad PR from people whininng about being banned, police people playing outside of Steam as that occurs on servers they don't manage, etc.

Yet Valve is going to spend their time and money doing so for something the OP has already admitted makes absolutely no business sense simply because the OP wants them to...

[[?]legit]

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I'm still amazed how toxic a few people here are. I guess it's easy to mock and trash talk if you're not affected. And I hope you'll never complain if you should ever run into a cheater.

I play on servers with active admins and even scripts that look for and automatically ban users for cheating or having a ban.

How many people do you suggest adding, how much do they get paid hourly, and how many hours a day do you presume they work for? Then, who pays the bill for each game; the dev? the consumer? Does the games cost go up to offset it or does valve cuts get bigger?

This doesn't seem well thought out of a suggestion.

I'd suggest one support agent per game. Older games aren't that populated, and this system isn't supposed to compete or replace already existing anti cheat systems from various developers. It's mostly the last instance, when devs have abandoned a game.