SAM users should lose access to achievement related profile features.

[FOXDUDE69]

I think SAM users should lose access to achievement related profile features.

Nobody likes a cheater and this would act as an incentive for even more achievement hunters to move over to Steam.

More importantly, this would also allow Valve to evolve steam's achievement ecosystem without possibility of it being abused by dishonest gamers.

We could get achievement related milestone badges, developers could reward completionists with exclusive backgrounds and avatars and whatever else Valve can think of.

If Achievement Hunter communities can already filter out Steam users, I'm sure Valve could do it even better.

Thank you for reading.

[The Commendatore]

So much for being done with Steam Suggestions.

[Start_Running]

And how prytell would you reliably identify these SAM users?
Secondly. Achievement hunters aren't particularly bothered by how other people get their achievements. I mean even if they did that with SAM> loading save files from other people, using console commands, workshop mods, hex editing, custom servers, etc are all methods of 'cheating' cheevos.

This is why cheevo hunters really don't care. Sad people who attach their self-worth to their cheevos are another matter however. They're like those old people who grumble "Back when I was your age I had to walk a mile to take the bus to the library and spend all day writing out the stuff in those books for me assifgnments, not like you lazy kids that just Google it on the internet."

Cheevos are there to be gotten. How you get them is for you to decide. SOme people think linearlly, while other clever people think outside the box.

Also Devs can already do this if they want.

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

So much for being done with Steam Suggestions.

That promise didn't even laast a week.

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

So much for being done with Steam Suggestions.

I heard from some regulars that mods started taking action against the trolls. Well, at least one of them got banned for a bit. Renewed my hope in this space.

[nullable]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

So much for being done with Steam Suggestions.

I heard from some regulars that mods started taking action against the trolls. Well, at least one of them got banned for a bit. Renewed my hope in this space.

Laugh Out Loud.

At any rate achievements don't matter, the system isn't secure at all, people using SAM aren't hurting anyone. So keep dreaming for consequences for a non-issue.

[The Commendatore]

Originally posted by Start_Running:

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

So much for being done with Steam Suggestions.

That promise didn't even laast a week.

Part of me wants to be surprised but I can't.

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

Originally posted by Start_Running:

That promise didn't even laast a week.

Part of me wants to be surprised but I can't.

Wasn't aware I made a promise of any kind.
Said I'd leave if things didn't get better. Things got a tiny bit better, so I decided to stick around.
Besides, someone needs to show the newcomers the Steam Hub is not just toxic people. There's great people, too.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

I think SAM users should lose access to achievement related profile features.

SAM isn't detectable so your idea is flawed and not possible.

[FOXDUDE69]

Originally posted by brian9824:

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

I think SAM users should lose access to achievement related profile features.

SAM isn't detectable so your idea is flawed and not possible.

Yes it is. SAM makes no efforts to mask/hide itself.

[Aachen]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Yes it is. SAM makes no efforts to mask/hide itself.

What is the signature that indicates SAM usage?

[Tito Shivan]

Spoiler: Unlocking an achievement with SAM is undistinguishable than doing it from within the game.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Originally posted by brian9824:

SAM isn't detectable so your idea is flawed and not possible.

Yes it is. SAM makes no efforts to mask/hide itself.

No it isn't. SAM just sends the same message the game does telling an achievement to unlock. if you were to unlock an achievement via SAM and an achievement in game Steam would get the exact same message stating to unlock achievement X.

Some games USED to try to block SAM by flagging users if they had a bunch of achievements unlocked at once, but they stopped because it wasn't reliable due to offline mode and achievements being bulk unlocked when you go back online.

[Brian9824]

Originally posted by Tito Shivan:

Spoiler: Unlocking an achievement with SAM is undistinguishable than doing it from within the game.

Yep, makes the exact same API call, and steam can't tell them apart.

[KalGimpa]

i still do not get why people spend one second thinking about how i got my achievements

op, when there is a reliable way to filter out sam users (besides the people like me that have no problem saying they use it) and as long as it stays just the cosmetics, go for it.

i care nothing for the achievements and less for the cosmetic changes they give on the profile

this is of course just my take.

[FOXDUDE69]

Also keep in mind that tampering with Steam processes is already against Steam's Terms of service.

[KalGimpa]

Originally posted by FOXDUDE69:

Also keep in mind that tampering with Steam processes is already against Steam's Terms of service.

nobody in these threads will let me forget

if they want to take my access to achievements away, i would cheer. take them.