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When Origin, Uplay and iTunes reached this same point a year or more ago, all of them stopped providing updated clients and support for Windows XP and Vista, but none of them locked their customers out of their paid content if they were unable to upgrade their operating system. All of them allowed either an older client, or a legacy client to be used, because they did not believe it would be fair, professional or even legal to lock their customers out of the content they rightfully paid for with their hard-earned money. To this day, the legacy clients for Origin, Uplay and iTunes still work to provide access to customer purchased content on Windows XP and Vista.
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Good post, and I agree.
Also, having a legacy client is important even for people with newer machines so that people can run old games in an XP or Vista virtual machine when a game doesn't run or doesn't run properly in a newer OS.
And even if a game can be made to work in a newer OS with a lot of tweaking, it might be quicker, easier, and more stress-free to just run it in an XP VM. They'll need a legacy Steam client to do that.
https://answers.ea.com/t5/Technical-Issues/Legacy-Origin-Not-A-Thing-Anymore/td-p/5824787
Also uplay never had a 'legacy client' that worked either.
I can't find a Uplay legacy client download, but Uplay is working fine for me on Vista. It's just a matter of downloading an older version of Uplay, and then it will know you're on XP or Vista and update accordingly to the latest supported version for XP and Vista. That's what's happened for me and it's working great. I'm running v23.0.0.4976 (as shown in Uplay.exe file properties details) Here is the method to get a Windows XP or Vista compatible version of Uplay - https://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/1521987-Uplay-Incompatability-with-Windows-XP-Forums
Bottom line is that neither Origin nor Uplay have locked their customers out of their games if the customer is not able to upgrade their operating system. Sure, the legacy client isn't updated any longer, and there's no guarantees it will keep working fine forever, but customers aren't locked out of their paid content by Origin or Uplay if they are unable to upgrade their operating system.
Once again: almost all of those old steam games can be made to run on modern hardware,if you look for plug and play then you should get a console.
Im still waiting to see a list of games of those classic games that require unbeliveable efforts to get to run properly beside anecdotical claims.
Assuming that is the case, that infers that the user is capable of affording modern hardware and software to run said games on to begin with. Its already pretty widely accepted that many modern games wont run on XP, so theres very little expectation of that at this point from most reasonable people who have opted in or been forced to continue using legacy software and hardware for one reason or another.
One of the many reasons that people tend not to upgrade their operating systems is because they lack the resources or finances to be able to do so. You cant just throw Win10 on a machine that used to run XP. For starters, chances are that if the machine was built back in the XP era, there will be literally no drivers available for some of said hardware, assuming it even meets the requirements at all. I didnt upgrade to Win7 until 2014 when I built my new computer for example, but i still have computers running XP happily because it suits the tasks they're used for and the hardware thats in them.
I know a lot of people running old hardware, who neither have the means nor the capability to affect upgrades to new platforms. In addition to the learning curve, and the difficulty migrating programs which may not have a modern equivalent on new operating systems, which would likely incur further software costs in order to be able to gain access old documents or personal files created in some of these older programs.. theres still the cost of the new supported hardware, and the expertise to have it setup. And even as someone who knows how to do all of that, and has done so for 20+ years, even just helping say a family member upgrade is a daunting, heavily time consuming, and often expensive task.
Anyway long story short; I cant think of a specific reason as to why they'd need to terminate the XP client all together. Said client will function indefinitely in an offline state before and after Jan 1, unless a kill switch was specifically coded for that date. I think Valve could easily get out ahead of this by either clarifying, or fixing the wording of their support article. If its -not- their intent to kill the client, then they need to reword things and this whole discussion becomes unnecessary.
But if it is their intent, then I, along with others, would be very interested in hearing why its necessary, and how the continued (unsupported) operation of the pre Jan-1st client would impact anyone who wasnt using it. With minimal, or zero effort, the current client could continue to exist as a completely unsupported legacy download. Simply creating a support article with a download link and a warning that the client is no longer being updated would more than suffice for anyone who had or wanted to continue using it it on older OS. Im pretty confident that no reasonable individual still running XP is asking for anything more than that at this point.
The novelty that Steam offered at inception was the ability to buy the games digitally that could be played through their client.
The concept flourished because it made gaming life simpler. No longer did you have to go to the game store to buy a copy of a game or wait weeks for it to be delivered to your home and you no longer had to keep track of physical copies of games. The fact that Valve was also behind the popular Half-Life games also helped to build trust in the new concept.
There was a problem with this system from the beginning that some tried to point out but was ignored and it looks as if those same arguments are still going on to this day.
Digital only content is fine as long as it can be downloaded and stored away to a disk or usb device or whatever. It is always yours to load and unload as you please. You have a physical backup.
The problem with digital only content that requires a 3rd party like Steam to run is exactly that. You have no physical copy so you are dependent on Steam.
Steam as a company can do what they like but people should have an understanding of what they are getting into. If Steam as a company closes its doors or decides to end support for various operating systems it will not matter what you purchased, it will eventually be lost.
Do not get me wrong. I like Steam and the ease to which they have made purchasing and playing games alone and with others.
The irony of it all is that in 10 to 15 years when Steam does away with support for Windows 7, 8 and 10 those same people who refuse to see that there really is a problem with this system now will be bemoaning it and a new generation will be telling them to upgrade or go re-purchase their games someplace else.
"For the remainder of 2018 Steam will continue to run and to launch games on Windows XP and Windows Vista, but other functionality in Steam will be somewhat limited. For example, new features such as the new Steam Chat will not be available. We encourage all users on these operating systems to upgrade to newer versions of Windows in order to have ongoing access to the latest features of Steam, and to ensure future access to all games"
Obviously you have missed my point. I already stated that "Steam as a company can do what they like".
I then went on with "The problem with digital only content that requires a 3rd party like Steam to run is exactly that. You have no physical copy so you are dependent on Steam." Which has not been touched upon by anything you have said.
I am also not saying Steam is wrong, merely "people should have an understanding of what they are getting into."
Let me put it this way:
I own a copy of a game from 1999 called Gangsters Organized Crime. The company that made the game has been out of business for many, many years. The operating system it was made for is no longer supported by Microsoft. When Windows 7 came along the game would no longer play. Whatever, that's fine, the game was thrown in a box with others from it's time and forgotten for years.
Not long ago I was going through that old stuff, out of Nostalgia, and realized I have not one but 2 laptops running Windows XP that still work. I was amazed. So I start going through those old games from years ago. I put some games on and had a blast from the past.
I may not own property rights to those games. The laptops may be outdated and I would never want to take them online. The companies that made those games may be long gone... but... there is no third party telling me that even though I bought those games through them and I still have the system to play them on that I can't because I can't use the 3rd party app that came with the game.
As I have stated many times before Steam can do what they want but people should understand what they are getting into when dealing with digital only and 3rd party controlled.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682836556
i think most people understand perfectly the possible dangers of digital platforms, at least unless those people were living under a rock for the past 10+ years
You make a very good point. It happened in 2007, 2010, will in 2019 and will yet again in the future.
If you think it's awesome to watch now just wait until the next time and people realize that over the years they have spent thousands of dollars and have nothing tangible to show for it. It should be really hilarious then.
dunno about you but on my main account ive gained thousands and thousands of hours of enjoyment and memories of my 1700+ growing steam library
it doesnt need to be tangible per-se to be worth it. Its the journey that counts the most, not the destination